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Welcome to the necessary conversation midweek edition. It is me Chad Coulson with my mom Mary Lou American flag hat. No Trump Trump hat in the background resting on a chair. You see his approval ratings are the lowest they've ever been like 27%.
Yes. Do you agree with that? Um maybe. I mean they go up, they go down. It's the war. They go up, they go down. Okay. He started the work
and I I know you quite well. And when you told me you don't need any clips today. Yeah. You know, I'm a thinker. I've thought through this.
Okay. And you and I have not talked what was going to be on the show today other than you don't need any clips.
I know where you're going with this. I think Where do you think? So, I should say it now in advance. Yeah. So, let's see if you got it. If I got it, you know I got it. Um, when you said don't don't bring any clips.
Uhhuh. And that you had an idea. I think you're going to show me all the clips where I said that's an X. That's an X. That's an X.
I'm not going to show you all the clips. I'm going to show you something else. It is about your exes. That is correct. But um,
it's something else. Someone has made and and by the way, there's so much going on this week. the Trump TV banning MSNBC and CNN and Politico. Right now, the court is hearing that case. We're going to be talking about all of that on Sunday. Today is not about that.
Okay. So, somebody who watches our show has made a website called the xlist.org. texl i s.org. It is um comprehensive does not begin to describe it. It has every one of your ex's listed out with a clickable link to the time code in the episode where you say it. So, if you want, you can watch all this. There's a super cut of all of your exes that is 17 minutes and 22 seconds long. We're not going to watch the whole thing. Um, obviously, it's too much, but I want to share this website with you now. and we're going to just go through it together and take a look at
it and see what you think about seeing all of your X's laid out in front of you, the volume of them, uh, crystal clear. All right, so here is this website. It's called the X list there. And as you can see, they've done some, uh, AI video of you.
Nice. Doing like X's with your arms. Nice. And and you can see like this is a it's a very well-made website. How many X's would it take? her objections to Trump. Her words, the context intact. I see both things as not right. This is a quote from you on September 13th, 2026, dozing during the September 11th memorial. So that was you saying that you see both things as not right, meaning Trump falling asleep during the memorial as well as uh the AOC mum donny moment where they're kind of laughing with each other as they see each other.
So if you scroll down through this website, there's so much in this website. It has broken down into there are 40 issues, 35 clear and five qualified. And what I believe that means clear and qualified. Clear are you literally saying that's an X or I don't agree with Trump. And the qualified ones are ones where it seems like that's what you're implying, but you don't exactly say it's an X. 182 videos reviewed, which I believe is all of our episodes.
91 timestamped moments, 16 issues repeated. So there are 16 of these uh 40 issues that you have effectively had evidence multiple times and claimed it to be an X each time. This is uh between September 14th and the 21st. Four new entries, four revisited moments. As you can see, there's all these bar graphs and stuff, but this is the part that I find most interesting, the evidence map.
Okay, so you can click on any one of these X's here. These are all the X's that you have against Trump. Look at how many that is. What does that do to you just seeing that many X's?
That's a lot of X's. But in my brain right now, I'm a little scared to think that someone follows me that closely and would do that. I'm scared.
A little scared. They follow our Not because of my exes. Not because of my exes. Uhhuh. that someone actually zooming in on me.
Zooming in on you. This is our show that we put out on the internet every week for anyone and everyone to watch. This is simply a person who has watched it. And I think like like a lot of people, myself included, and probably Haley included, who um hear you talk about your exes on Donald Trump and we are always asking anytime you have a new one, well, how many is that? We don't know. Me and Haley are not keeping track of the tally. Here it is in black and white.
Look at all of those X's. There's 40 of them. Just the volume of it doesn't do anything to you. That's a lot. Why is that one Why is the one colored on that one? The brown one.
I think it's just whichever one you click on gets colored. There's two. Yeah. So, like let's just open the first one. Okay. Okay. This is a hypothetical federal abortion ban and criminal penalties. So, you click on it and it takes you down to uh the This is the clip if we want to play it here.
Uhhuh. Oh, and I said, "No, I don't like that change." It opened a new window, which I I don't know exactly how to share on this, but basically, it has the clip of you saying, "No, I don't like that change." That's your quote there, right?
Okay. uh a pre-list context, a pre-list objection during a discussion of a possible federal abortion ban and criminalization. So, this is even before you started using the the phrase an ex.
All right, here's our second one. Um, this is physical and indiscriminate deportation tactics. That was from uh this episode on November 5th, 2025 when you and me were doing God busting the MAGA bubble. We haven't done one of those in a minute. Now, it's just become our Wednesday episodes. That's what we're doing now. I'm against the way he is getting the illegals, getting them out of here. That is your direct quote. Um, every one of these, and there are three such instances of this one. Um, so it has God, just all of these in order.
Calling a woman reporter piggy, Trump's remarks after Rob Reiner's death, paying for presidential pardons, ICE agents abusing people in custody, etc., etc., etc. If you want to see them all, I think you just click all 40 here. And so this is all 40 instances starting with Iran, withholding the Epstein files, Trump's words and conduct about assaulting women, unrestricted federal AI surveillance, and that one has the approximate. So that's qualified. That means you didn't say this is an X, but you said something to the uh degree of I don't agree with it. slaughtering federally protected wild horses. Trump running for a third term, the
administration's war on education, partisan redistricting and vote dilution, mixing Christian praise with a golden Trump statue. Remember that episode when he pulled out his
his golden Trump statue, wildlife and environmental rollbacks, presidential self-deing and stock trading conflicts, allowing foreign purchases of US farmland, turning the White House grounds into a UFC venue. Remember that?
Yes. not condemning a neo-Nazi march in Washington, pulling back from promised mass deportations, ICE raids reaching beyond convicted criminals, federal control of election administration, installing Trump's personal lawyers and attorney general, the reflecting full vandalism story, Trump repeatedly pleading the fifth, attacking and belittling women reporters, restricting mail and voting, pressuring communities to accept data centers, downplaying the war. It goes on and on and on. Like there's there's a lot of this. Look how long this list is.
So all of this stuff, again, just look at the the image, the visual of how many of these X's there are. This is definitive, conclusive proof. That's it's all been listed here. These are all things you've said.
And now, he's still your president after all of this, you know, where I think I am. I'm not mixed up, but I love our country.
Yeah. I I I'm hanging on that our country will turn around with great patriotism and not so many that don't like Trump. I I'm hanging on because I love our country.
I think it's one of the best in the whole world. It is. And I voted for that man. 77 million people voted for President Trump.
Yeah. 77 million. Yes. That was his last election he won by. I think 78 or 77 million voted for him to win the presidency.
I think that's how many people voted total. Oh, I thought for him to win the election by the electoral votes. Google that. Let's see. While you're looking that up,
with all You're right. 77 million popular votes that allowed him to win the elector 55. Yeah. Uhhuh. Now, okay. With all those X's, that is a lot. That is a lot that I don't agree with.
Mhm. Most recently is ICE. It is like they are harming people very badly now. That has to change. But okay, along with all those X's on the other side, I should have some pluses. I should have no tax on tips. I should have no tax on social security pluses. I should have a plus for prescription drugs being better. I should have double pluses for more secure border.
Um, what else? Okay. So, another plus for Greenland. We did do an agreement there where we can go over there with security and bridge that between um Russia and China.
Okay. If if they're going to throw a missile at us, we can take it down. So, that's a big plus for our security. The Golden Dome.
No tax on tips. Uhuh. Greenland. No tax on overtime. Okay. You can Sure. That's two separate pluses, I guess. Okay. So, no tax on no tax on overtime, the border and Greenland.
Um, yeah, that the that tax law that was in 2025, that was a good one. And then the drugs, he decreased a lot of the drugs.
Okay. So, there's like five five pluses to 40 X's. Yeah, I know, Chad. I knew you were gonna I didn't know you were going to throw this at me like a person has been following me on every ax, but I thought you would.
No, it's you're you're not seeing this correctly. It's not a person following you on every X. My guess is how they they used AI to do this and they probably went through like an AI transcripting type thing that just takes the audio from all of our podcasts and looks for certain words or whatever. Wow. um or maybe even contextualizes the conversations. I would guess because it's a lot of leg work to do all this.
There are a lot of things I do disagree with him, but I like I said, I love our country. I love our America.
I want our military safe. I want them sound. I want us all to be proud that we're Americans. Yes. I I I'm not disputing any of that. But like when you're saying that you want all of our military to be safe, do you think this president is making them safer? He's gotten 18 people killed in a war that is meaningless.
I mean, every life is important. Of course, it is. There's been more lives lost in other wars, too. War is war, and we know that,
right? Going into it, and it's terrible. But I do believe this war had I I want this war over. Everybody does. Mhm. Agreed. And but it never had to have started in the first place. He started it with no goal, no plan. And now we are losing the war and prices of everything are going up and 18 United States service members have been killed in service of this. So when you're saying
Yeah. I'll be honest. When he was on TV, I think just yesterday, President Trump, and he said, you know, there were two ways out of this,
I literally got sick to my stomach. Yeah. So, that's going to be another X, I'm sure, on Sunday where he said he was going to annihilate an entire civilization again. And he's already issued that threat before.
To my stomach, I hope he's just not saying that to make Iran come our way and get the agreement done. I hope I hope that's why he said that. But like whether it's it's why he said it or not, the effects of him saying that now are all the European countries, all of the countries that used to be our NATO allies are basically now like America is a threat. We have to start reorganizing the global political situation to exclude America from it because he's crazy. And he's now threatening basically nuclear war. That's a threat to everyone on planet Earth, not just Iran, obviously. And also today, what's
happening uh with um I can never say his name right. The Chinese Gigi, he's here. Mhm. How do we say his name? I don't know. He's here. A big elaborate thing going on. Why? What? What's going on? Is it for us to give them AI? Is it for us to give them something else?
Who knows? But for all of these these exes, right? Mhm. One of your ex's on this list is um Trump's corruption effectively taking money from these other countries in the form of gifts or crypto or whatever. So whatever he's doing with any other world leader, especially one from a country who has at least traditionally been our enemy or at least on the other side of democracy, it can't be good. Like you have I I assume you expect that he's doing some kind of backdoor deal with China that is going to be detrimental to America but help him personally. That's what I expect it to be.
I was hoping it would bring both of us together more. You and me. No, our countries. Oh, China and America. I don't know how to say I I don't know how to say it other than I love America. I love our country. I want it to be strong. That's why I guess I respect the presidency of the United States because I'm an American.
That's a lie, though. You don't Well, I don't I don't agree with everything he's doing, but I believe that a country should be run by a president, a vice president, and all the way down.
I I'm I'm fine with all that. I And obviously I agree with you, or to some degree I do. I mean, maybe I don't at all. Actually, I would get rid of the entire political system we have. Let me re retract that statement. But the the thing where you're saying you respect the president of the United States, like the office itself, that is a lie.
Because that's not a lie. Yes, it is. Mom, when Joe Biden, when Joe Biden was president, Uhhuh. all you and dad ever did was on him and call him names and say he's going to start World War II. We need to get him out of here. There was never in any case did you say, "Well, I disagree with all the things he's doing, but I respect the office of the presidency and we need a president." You never said that about him.
I did. I guess I didn't use the right words back then. But yes, that is that is how my brain thinks. And as
Mom, that's not true. That is not true. You hated Biden and you only ever talked him and said that he shouldn't be president.
Right. But we should always have a president. Fine. didn't vote for him. So, why would I support him if I didn't vote for him and feel like 100% he was the guy for the job?
So, okay. So, the vote is the thing that's making you The vote The vote's pretty big. Yeah. And why is that? Because who I vote for means something to me. But like, can you imagine a scenario in which you voted for Trump all three times because you thought he was going to deliver on these promises and now a bunch of these exes have to do with the fact that he's broken these promises.
Like, I won't start a war with Iran. Well, now, not only have you started one, we're 200 days into it. People have died and it's it's causing global financial catastrophe. So, he lied about that. the one of the things he promised you in his campaign, one of the things you voted for him because of
is a giant lie and it's turning out to be way worse than you ever could have imagined. Uh there's multiple other things that he's lied about. All of the financial corruption that he's doing, the open lies that he does while president like with the reflecting pool, how he said somebody took a box cutter to it that it's just a blatant lie so that he can like throw somebody in jail and find an enemy somewhere. So, he's doing all of this that is basically going against the original reason you voted for him, but you still feel that you have to be loyal to him, even though
he's lied to you multiple times. There are things that he has not lied about, but a lot more now I'm seeing that he has. I'm hanging on by a threat. I am. Okay.
I am. I'll be honest. That's fine. And and I look, I'm not trying to bully you into this. I literally am like curious about your um psychology around this.
I think it's Yeah, I think it's loyalty with my vote, too. I'm very loyal. Your father is too, believe it or not. We are loyal people.
Yeah, I don't dispute that. I'm as a member of this family, I'm very acutely aware of that. I think all four of us are like that. Um
that said like Donald Trump is not a part of our family. You don't know the man personally in any capacity. The only loyalty that you can generate around him is this kind of um parasocial loyalty, you know, where you see him on a TV screen and you're voting for him and all of this or I guess you're buying his his products to some degree as well. There's like a little bit of financial loyalty there. But what I'm trying to get at or or what I'm curious about really is like you're saying you're hanging on by a thread and the thread, you know, I know
we can talk about the political issues and you're saying the border and drug prices and these couple of things that he's done that you agree with in the face of the 40 that you don't, but there's something else at work. It's not just, in my opinion, a kind of logical making of a list of good things he's done so that will maintain my loyalty. There's something like deeper rooted in it, I think. Um, and like if you're hanging on by a thread, as you say, that thread is not those those four items you mentioned. It's something else. It's like your identity as a MAGA
person, I think, or something. Is that like a difficult thing for you to relinquish at this point? Might be. But I'm afraid too if if I if we go all Democratic, our border is going to be wide open again. That scares me.
Yeah. A lot. You don't have to ever be a Democrat. You can not support Trump, still be a Republican, still want um strong military, closed borders, still want all of those things that are very much parts of the kind of traditional Republican platform and just not support Trump. You don't the there are not like two camps here. There's not Trump or Democrat. You can be a Republican. I feel the world has gone crazy and you're either on one side or the other. Remember your dad would always say
there'll be a time when you have to pick a side and that's where I feel like I'm kind of at. Right. But dad is also crazy. Let's not forget.
Okay. So, I don't know if he's giving the best advice to live your life by. I'm just saying that like you can you can very much vote for any other Republicans. I'm sure you will. the the midterms are coming up in Oklahoma. I'm sure you're going to vote for some Republicans that are not Donald Trump. Right.
Right. Okay. So, you can and and more and more of these Republicans, by the way, I just saw a news piece saying that a bunch of these Republicans in various states that are running in the midterms, their websites used to have like pictures of them with their, you know, Donald Trump side by side and Trump supports this candidate. They're all taking their Trump off of their websites because they
I haven't heard that. Yeah, it's happening because they can see his poll numbers are in the toilet. Nobody likes this war and he's basically a loser now for them. Um, but what I'm saying is you can be a Republican. You can adhere to the ideals of that party which are traditionally anyway fiscal conservativism uh like you're saying closed borders, strong military, etc., etc., etc. You can adhere to all that and not support Trump.
I hear what you're saying. And when we talked about ICE, I'm kind of switching gears. In the beginning, I thought ICE was good.
We've talked about this. I thought it was getting the criminals out, getting the drug dealers out, getting the bad people out. But now, I see people are being treated with no compassion. Uh it it's bad. It has to stop. It has to stop.
I agree. But like I is a very good example of exactly what I'm talking about. Trump in the beginning says all these promises. ICE is going to get out all the bad people, etc., etc. And then as time goes on, you start to see that was a lie. What ICE is really being used for is to make people afraid. It's it's like a racist kind of gestapo. They're just beating the out of anybody who's not white. We talked about on on Sunday those two uh teenage boys who were going to sign up for the Marines and ICE just kicked the out of them
for fun, right? And they say, "I'm a US citizen." And I says, "I don't give a fuck." And they just keep beating them up. ICE by Trump has been given cart blanch to just abuse American citizens if they're not white. That's what ICE That's what Trump's original intent for it was. That's what it is now. And so in the beginning when he makes you this promise, we're going to close the borders and we're going to get all the undocumented bad criminal immigrants out of here. That was never the case. And now you're seeing the truth of it. The the truth that he's using it to instill fear in the general
population. And you're like, "Yeah, I don't like that." So in that issue, you have turned on Trump. You have seen what is actual and you have said, "I don't agree with what he's doing now." And you realize I think that he lied to you, right?
Yes. On that. Yes. Okay. On that. So, let's just take that one little issue as a kind of microcosm of the bigger picture here. So if you can see on that one issue that he lied to you and you can go against him, you can extrapolate that out to all of the lies he's told you and you can go against him on all of them which means you don't support him anymore because you see that he has not upheld his end of the bargain. You gave him your vote based on these promises. He broke them all. So the vote doesn't really matter.
He's the one who severed that relationship. He's the one who broke the trust. you don't have to maintain the relationship with him because he broke it.
I still have pluses though on the other side that were not put on that chart. So, whoever did the chart needs to go back with some of the pluses that I did say.
I'm not saying there aren't things you like. That that's clear. You've made that clear. But in the face of just volutrically, you're looking at like all of these X's and you can supply, you know, four or five things that you like about him, fine. And even those things I would say are not like as significant as many of these exes like ICE, like the war in Iran, like the unending corruption. He's made 2,900 stock trades since he's been in office this time around. That is more than all members of the Senate combined.
So when you always say like, what about Nancy Pelosi? It's like Nancy Pelosi ain't got on Trump. He eclipses all of it. So he's enriching himself. He's starting wars that are costing all of us money. The tariffs that are costing like all of these things. There's 40 of these things. I don't have to go through them. They are documented here. We we went through that list. You know,
I mean, I guess what I'm trying to say too is you and Haley will never feel the way I do about patriotism. We've talked about this before. How your grandfather and greatgrandfathers and uncles, they all served in the war. um how I I've been handed the flag twice at a funeral and I thank your dad once. You will never feel that.
So, I am hanging on to our country because I love it. I've loved it ever since I was a little kid. Um there are times during wars, different wars, where it did not go in the right direction. And there were people that couldn't afford food, couldn't afford gas, kind of what's going on now. But then it turns around and that's what I'm hanging on to.
I agree with you. I don't think Haley and I are as, you know, traditionally patriotic as as you are, maybe specifically because of your personal relationship with people who are like in the military. I mean, dad was in the military, but I that stuff washes over me because I don't really think countries should exist, let alone militaries. I don't think military should exist. Um I think
you also you had an uncle long ago that um they were stationed in Israel and he was like special ops and had to go out and count boats and stuff over there. So in our family we have had history with um military and I maybe that's in my heart. I
of course and that may be the case for me like I don't I tend to uh lean towards the idea of a utopian existence for humanity. I think it is possible. We certainly have the resources and stuff to do it, but it all boils down to in my opinion there is a as with many things there's kind of a sliding scale in humanity that boils down to each individual person but also in big kind of group psychological swings from on this one specific thing it is from cooperation to competition. And the more competitive you are or the more competitive a society is or whatever,
the more likely it will be to go to war, to ostracize, to uh do what we're doing with ICE. The more cooperative you are as a person or society, the less all of that stuff is necessary or even wanted in the society. And if the entire globe could go to 100% cooperation, there is no need for military at all. Military is a gun. That's all it is. It is designed to kill. And
that would that would never happen. I don't believe, Chad. There's always going to be good. There's always going to be bad. There's always going to be in the middle.
This is not true. This is not true. I just don't think it's true. The idea of bad, as you're putting it, only comes from competition. It comes from the idea that you have something I want. That was the first government. The first government ever was some kind of small tribal community of prehuman creatures and the biggest creature in that group saw a smaller creature eating an apple or something and was like, "Give me that apple." That's government.
That's what it is. And so we have that weird prehuman impulse in us that is like, "If you have something I want, I'm taking it. And if somebody's threatening me and my little group, I'm going to kill you." That's what government is. I don't think we need it anymore. I think we can be cooperative. If everybody has everything they need to survive and and have a comfortable life, there is no need for any kind of military force, any kind of fighting, etc., etc. And I think we have enough resources and technology now to provide that. It's just a matter again of competition. It's do we need a
trillionaire? Why does Elon Musk say I need a trillion dollars? No one needs that. It's about competition. It's about you have something I want and it's money. Give me your money.
I think it's about compassion, too. And I don't want our country to stand by and see other people massacred and murdered and beheaded and
you know, but we're doing that. That that's what I don't think you are understanding. Like that's the school where they killed 140 children, girls
in Iran. And now they've come out and said, "Well, it was because we used bad AI. It was the AI's fault." So now they're trying to blame it on a computer program and it's like but the United States military did that. They targeted that school. They launched a missile into that school and they killed 140 children. So when you're saying like well are we just going to sit by and let these countries, you know, kill their citizens. It's like we're doing it.
We're literally just as bad. And we also had 9/11 and also over in Iran, the extremists are killing their own. Yes. Do we just let them kill their own?
We're killing them. That's what I don't think you're getting here. I'm not saying it's good that they're killing their own. And again, that's government. You have something I want. Give me it or I'll kill you. Um there's no like in my opinion, there's no good government in a a country kind of scale because it always is going to boil down to like even taxes is that you have money, give me your money.
You know, I just don't think you're you're getting like, yes, there are other countries and other societies that do things that we consider to be in quotes bad or evil. We are also doing bad evil
There's so many people here though in the United States that are like, I hate America. I don't like any of this. Well, then they could leave. If you don't believe in your America and the America that we live in, then go somewhere else. I do believe that. What if you can't afford to go anywhere else? Do you think that you can just move anywhere and like get a house or get a an apartment or whatever or become a citizen in another country without paying shitloads of money?
I don't know. I guess not. You can't. I guess not. Let me ask you this. Just within America, you you and dad have moved several times to different states and different houses and whatever. Have you ever been able to do that for free? No.
Okay. So now imagine doing it to another country that comes with it a whole host of other costs that you must incur. Right?
Most people right now the the way the the whole world is set up all of the money is getting sucked to the top Elon Musk style. So where does the money if if they're having all this money if the the top like 0.001% are getting richer and richer and richer and richer where's the money coming from? It's coming from everybody else. Nobody has enough money to do what you're talking about now.
I I just feel like some days I don't know. I would just like to escape myself. Okay. And so that's happening under Trump.
I would like to get away from all the crazy people is what I'd like to do. What crazy people are giving you problems? What do you mean?
Dad, is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. I just want to go back to this idea of um you know what you're saying about like hanging on by a thread. So that to me also it kind of indicates that you you yourself are aware that you might be dumping Trump pretty soon.
Not pretty soon, but I have a lot of exes. I saw the exes. I knew you were going to do this to me. I knew it. I knew it.
Well, of course. I mean, a part of this show is about examining the conversation we're having and what is coming out of it. And and in this case, it's that you have all these things stacking up now that you disagree with Trump on. You yourself are even saying you're hanging on by a thread, which that statement means you can see the thread breaking,
right? I can see a lot of X's. I can. Yes, I can. Well, what like I just want you to for a moment imagine the thread has snapped. What is that like for you in a a world where you don't support Trump anymore?
I can't see that. That's what I can't see. But I think you can again because of the phrasing you're using. Hanging on by a thread means you've contemplated it. You've contemplated at least the the thread getting the thread getting frayed enough that it would break. Like, do you think your life would be drastically different if you did not support Trump?
Not really. Uh-huh. I maybe would some of my friends I would let them down, I guess. Maybe. What friends? My mega friends. But like, are these online friends? Are these people you hang out with every day? Who are these people?
Well, Jules was one for sure. She's huge MAGA. Yeah. Your dad, huge MAGA. Okay. I have a few online that are huge MAGA.
Okay. So, that's a piece of this for you is that you feel like you would let these people down. Well, maybe. What about do you think there are people on the other side of that who you might let down? dad and and your online MAGA friends, but do you think there are people on the other side of it who would be elated that you no longer support Trump? Who would be so happy to have you on not even their side? Like me and Haley specifically I'm talking about here, but everybody who listens to the show also, I think there's a lot of people like rooting for you to to have
that that last thread snap. And I think a lot of people be very happy about it. But for me and Haley, it's like I'm not even suggesting or I mean I would love for you to become like super liberal, but I don't think that's ever going to happen. But like I said earlier, there is a version of this where you are still totally right-wing Republican. You vote up and down every ticket all Republican, but you're just not supporting Trump because he's not a Republican. He's a corporate oligarch billionaire greed guy. You know, he's his own thing. You saw, I'm sure, the um the thing with him
and Mom Donnie yesterday. Uhuh. What? Him and Mom Donnie were hanging out and Trump loves Mom D. Mom Donnie. Loves him clearly. Interesting.
Is gazing at him almost like in love. And the the whole idea of it is you can see in these moments Trump doesn't actually give a about his party, the Republicans or the country. All he cares about is being in the proximity of people that he perceives to be powerful and winners. And he knows people love Mum Donnie. And so he's like, I got to be next to this guy.
Where was this at? Cuz I never saw it. Um hang on a minute. Because I saw a little snippet of um Camala Harris with him.
Um they held a private wide-ranging meeting at Gracie Mansion in New York City on September 21st. It was two days ago. and they uh publicly praised their unlikely working relationship and there's pictures, there's videos, etc., etc. You can look these up.
Well, I saw him with Camala Harris. That would be something, huh? Mom Donnie. Yeah, that would never work. That'd be okay. All right. I I'm just trying to illustrate this point, you know, that like you have options to not support Trump, still be conservative, still be Republican and all of that and get back to like the old school kind of Republican like Mitt Romney, even George Bush Jr., remember those days? Like you voted for him, right?
Yeah. And up to that point, he was like the dumbest president we'd ever had. Now we have Trump. But um there is still a Republican party. I think it is buried. It is asleep within the MAGA movement. But as Trump is like losing power, as his uh approval ratings are going down, as this war is continuing to go on indefinitely at this point, as prices are escalating, and as these midterms are approaching, I think that kind of sleeping old school Republican party is going to start to wake up a little bit.
Trump's going to be gone. I think I mean, who the hell knows if he's actually going to leave office, but like he's got two more years. Again, if we're doing everything officially, he's got two more years. Who knows if he'll try to tear the Constitution up and and run again.
He will not. He will not. We'll see. But the MAGA movement is going to end with him. I don't think it will. I think another Republican will take over and it will continue.
Who? I don't think it will end. Who? Whoever becomes the next president. Either Rubio, JD Vance. I don't think we're going to have a Republican president if the elections are free and fair. We'll see, I guess. But I'm just saying that there is a you have an alternative. I I know that you view it as I'm either Trump or I have to be liberal. And that is not true.
There is this third option. I mean, there's a bunch of different options. You could be independent, whatever. But there is an option that I think satisfies what you're looking for, which is adherence to the right-wing Christian national. Uh, I won't even say that like the the Republican party traditionally is Christian nationalist. They are Christian for sure, and they lean that way, but they're not like MAGA is. But there's a a a line to walk there for you that is acknowledging all these exes and saying this guy has lied to me 40 times or whatever. I can't support him anymore. Now I'm looking for who is
the Republican that's going to take up the mantle as the leader of my party. And that and there's a lot of candidates that fit that bill. You even named some right now. What I what I think is funny about the graph, whoever did that with the x's and everything. See, you guys only look at me about the x's. You don't look at me when I say the pluses. So, I need some pluses on that graph.
We just had the conversation. You gave me some of them. We're I acknowledge that. Whoever did that, maybe they'll add. Yeah, I acknowledge that. But like, you know, going back and talking about Biden or Obama or any of the the Democratic um presidents, you know, in the past 15 or 20 years, you and dad would never acknowledge any of the pluses they did either. To you, they were only evil, only selling out America. You I mean, with Biden specifically, you and dad almost every week were talking about how you thought he was going to start a war with Iran and World War II and it was
going to be the end of America. He never did any of that. You don't give him that plus. And now Trump is literally doing it. And yes, it's an X for you, but it's not. It was like one of the primary things you hated Biden for, something he never did. And now Trump is literally doing it.
So it is maybe a lot about loyalty with my vote and who I voted for. Correct. Right. Yes. Right. But I'm saying that loyalty is not earned. Trump has not earned your loyalty and he's got
loyalty also to the military and our military troops that there's I'm not going to ever abandon them. I totally get that. But Trump is not loyal to the military. He has so many times talked about how he doesn't like John McCain who is a war hero who was in a a prisoner of war for years in service of our military and our country. and he on him um on the gold star families that he did when was that 2017 whenever it was in his first term he gave a big um rally where he kind of on gold star families he doesn't care about the military he
started this war 18 people have died and they even on the official White House website tried to correct that to be only 14 and so these four families who have military service members that died are like, "Do we get the benefits that we're supposed to get now?" He doesn't care about the military and he has proven that to you. And I get that you're down with the military and all that and that's fine and that's good, patriotic, etc. Trump is not. That's another one of his lies that he's exposed.
The gap for us between China and Russia with the Golden um dome and all that and he's worked that out to where we can have military over there to protect us. I don't know. I don't know the details of this. Maybe we'll talk about it on Sunday.
That was yesterday. Yeah. But I'm I'm just saying Trump has very clearly illustrated that he does not care about the military. When the the aircraft carrier full of sailors that were having mental health issues and they were jumping off the side of the boat trying to kill themselves, they ask him about it and he's like, "They haven't been out there long enough."
I remember. How can you think that guy cares about the military, right? Um, your accent, by the way. Oh my gosh. Um, someone DM'd me and said that they're I think it was their one and twoyear-old now tune in to listen and they tried to um do the accent that you do on Donald Trump and laugh.
Oh my god. One and two years old. I think it was a one-year-old maybe. Oh my god. Thinking of a a an infant, a toddler doing my trumpet. and trying to do Donald Trump. Yeah.
What What have I unleashed? Um All right. Well, look, I just wanted to show you this website, get your take on where you stand with Trump. And I just want you to realize that you can be a Republican, support the military, want closed borders. You can do all of those things and not support Trump. And in fact, Trump does not support our military. He has proven that.
1776 gave money to him in a check. Okay. So, that money was already appropriated by our Congress to give to those soldiers and has to approve hasn't he approved that they can go to private care at some places instead of VA because it takes so much longer? I thought that was a big plus
that I don't know. But the 1776 thing, a lot of people DM me about that after we talked about it on whatever episode it was and I uh read some articles about it. That money was already going to those soldiers. He did not get that for them. He in no way had anything to do with it other than taking credit for it publicly.
Okay. I didn't know that. I thought he did. Yeah. Um and not to mention, I mean, that's just the military. All the other lies that he's told to all of us financially. We did an episode, whatever it was a week or two ago, after he promised $5,000 to every adult citizen who votes Republican, blah blah blah, if they win the midterms. That's like the fourth check he's now promised to Americans, and we've seen none of it.
How many of those lies have to continue before you're like, "All this guy does is lie to us about this shit." Yeah. Um, don't you think I'm pretty smart though, that I knew what you were going to do to me today? I knew it.
The existence. Yeah, it was good. You're you're psychic. Yes. It was like transcendental or whatever. I thought last night what you were going to do. I knew it.
Yeah. Well, um, thank you to the makers of this website. It is called the Exodus.org. if you want to go there. We just kind of scratched the surface. It's a very um in-depth website and it has, like I said, links to all of the clips of every time you've disagreed with Trump. So, you can like dig deep into that and there's like a side page that's about our family and each one of us and has links to all of our various stuff.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty interesting. So, check it out. I'm infamous. I'm infamous. You're infamous now. The xlist.org. Again, thank you for creating that website. Thank you, Mom, for being here. And uh you're welcome.
Thanks to everybody for watching our show. I love you. I love you, Haley. I love Haley, too. Where is she? Gallivanting. Um, she's probably making those nice cookies that say, you know what?
What? What? Making nice cookies. What are you talking about? She is baking in her bakery and has the freedom to put whatever she wants to on any kind of cookie she wants and say anything she wants because
what is she putting on the cookies now? We live in America. What's she putting on them? I'm not telling you cuz then you'll make another clip of me. That's why
I was trying to get you. Um, yes. Please tell dad that I love him as well. Hopefully we may be seeing a rant of his or something in the next episode.
I hope so. Yes, we'll see. Tune in for that. But thanks everybody for joining us and we will be back Sunday with a full hour of uh discussing Gez there's so much that's already happened. I know
I the the list is insane. Trump TV to me is like one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Did you see the
I just heard about it. I just heard about it. It's basically just a live stream on YouTube that is technically very poorly done. And uh at its peak it had 5,000 viewers.
So you don't have to pay for it. It's free. Yeah, it's on YouTube. Well, that's a first. I'll check it. It's just like the White House YouTube channel. Um, anyway, we'll be talking about all that stuff on Sunday. Thanks for joining us and we will see you then.
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