Will This Change Mary Lou's Mind?

Welcome to the necessary conversation midweek edition. We have an announcement to make. There's not going to be a Sunday show this week. I'm out of town. We are going to try to do one Monday. It may or may not come together. We don't know. But there will not be a show Sunday just to let everybody know. Uh but we'll pick back up mid next week at the very latest and potentially have a Monday episode as well to make up for the Sunday one, especially if there's um big news, which there already is some big news happening, especially with Tulc um today. What we're going to do, Mom, you said on our last Sunday episode that you had not read any of the Epstein Files. Well, I have some of them for you to read here today. >> Okay. I do have a few little diddy things, too. >> Okay. Do your diddies and then we'll get into the Epstein Files. >> They're kind of diddies, I guess. Okay. Congratulations, Penny, the Westminster dog show winner. She won best in show. >> She's a Doberman. She was beautiful. It's the first time in 37 years that that a Doberman had won. Dad and I were watching it. We really enjoy dogs. We watched a lot of it. And then dad was making fun of the handlers. Imagine that. >> You know the people that run alongside the dogs. >> Yeah. But we had fun. We watched that. Okay. This Sunday, no. As your dad says, Bugs Bunny, but it's Bad Bunny. We will be watching the American Halftime with Kid Rock. Uh, Brantley Gil Gilbert, Lee Bryce, and Gabby Barrett. >> Okay. >> Chad, will you be watching the Super Bowl? >> No, I'll be out of town. I'll be driving in a car. >> Okay. Oh, that's right. You're gallivanting just like your sister. >> That's right. >> Okay. Um, you told me to look this up. I did. There was no credible evidence that I found at white house.gov displaying any Nazi symbols or Nazi signs. It was misinformation, manipulated content. I looked that up on fat fact checkers and confirmed repeatedly story. It never happened. I images were fabricated. >> What images? What are you talking about? They they literally use Nazi slogans in their videos. >> Okay. I saw >> I showed those to you that on the week we did that episode. I did watch half of Brainwashing of my dad and watch some little >> Oh, what' you think of that of it? Uh, it was very interesting. It was very interesting. >> Yeah. >> And so, did any of it sink into you like the Fox News and the internet and the Russian bots and all of that? >> No, that dad seemed more crazy, over the top, I think, than what your dad is. That's just my opinion. That's the way I look at it. >> Okay. >> But I did like it. I did like it. >> All right. >> Uh, Grammys. I can't believe I said, "Oh, let's watch it. Let's see who wins the best song." What was I thinking? Okay. Billy Isish, ridiculous, said, "F ICE." And then on her acceptance speech, "Nobody is is illegal on stolen land." [clears throat] >> And all the people sitting there clapping, clapping, clapping. >> Yeah. The Native Americans demand that she give Oh my god. What is he do? She give her land back. Oh my god. Bob, you said you weren't going to be on this. Get [laughter] out. Bob. >> Okay. Bye. >> He promised me he didn't want to be on this. And now shut the door, please. Oh my lord. Oh my day. You have no idea. Anyway, the Billy Isish thing, I just found it kind of ridiculous. They're all clapping on the word. Thank you. on the words that she said. And you know, for the people to clap there, they look so stupid. I thought it was a weird statement. It was stupid. Okay. >> Do you understand it? >> Yes. She lives on stolen land. So, you know what? She can give her seven million dollar mansion in Malibu and open the guarded gates that she lives behind and give her land back if that's the way she feels. >> I don't want to start arguing already. Okay. All right. >> That's my goodies, I think. Other than Yeah. tips, hotline, Trump. I've got all that ready to go. Oh, one I should have started with this and I didn't. I apologize. >> Yeah. >> Poor Savannah Guthrie. Her mom. They can't find her. I've been praying. Everybody's been praying. I hope they find her safe. >> Yeah, that's a a very scary and shitty story. I hope everything turns out >> Yeah, they don't. They don't even know yet. And she's been gone a long time. And I should have started with that. Yeah, I'm sad. It makes me sad for her. >> Okay. Are you done? Are you done with the diddy? >> No, I'm done. >> All right. So, what I have presented for you here today is some actual pages out of the Epstein files. this next dump that we've had in relation to Trump, Elon Musk, and Howard Lutnik. And I have some videos as well that we're going to watch. I want you to read these files to me. I want to hear you read them. Okay. >> Are any of these from the uh hotline tip? The tip hotline. >> These are from the Epstein files, >> right? Which people called in to the tip hotline. And you're going to make me read these horrific things, which I already have. >> No, you you told me on Sunday you didn't read them. >> They I read them yesterday. >> Okay. Well, now we're going to see you read them out loud. Here we go. >> If they're on the tips hotline, I'm not going to read that because that's fabricated. And let's see what you want me to read. >> I want you to read what this says right here. >> Okay. >> Can you read that? >> I see nothing. And I see a white circle going around. >> That is your computer [ __ ] the bed. There's an image on the screen right now. >> I'm asking you, is this from the tips hotline? I'm sorry. I should turn my phone off. There we go. >> The tips hotline. Can you see it yet? >> Yes. >> Okay, read that. Just read it. Uh, reported and Okay, this is hard because the print is so little. Reported and unidentified. It really is. Look how close I'm getting. >> Yeah. >> Can you read it? Can you read it to me, Chad? I really can't. >> I You need to read this out loud. >> Reported. Is this If this is the stuff from the tips hotline, >> uh, >> it is not proven at all. And it was proven that these tips that came in uh they were allegations that came in right before his election. >> Uhhuh. >> It was also proven that the FBI then called every one of these tipsters and no one would come forward and say anymore with their names. >> Okay. So, you're refusing to read the Epstein file, >> Chad. God damn it. I'm trying to get as close as I can with my glasses. I I'm not kidding here. I reported an unidentified female friend who was forced to perform oral sex on President Trump approximately 35 years ago in New Jersey. The friend told Chad I cannot read I can't see it due to my vision. >> All right, here let me throw this one up then because this one you'll be able to read. It's bigger print. I see the white circle going around. I don't see anything yet. It >> will pop up in a minute. >> Okay. >> I guess it's weird that you can't see it. Um >> I feel like you're tricking me. Can you see it yet? >> Yes. And this is bigger print. Donald Trump, the president, had parties at Mara Lago called Girls. Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in. Trump would auction them off. He measured the children's and and by entering a finger. No, I'm not saying it. And rate rated the children on tightness. The guests were elder men included Elon Musk, Don Jr. Trump, Ivanka Trump. >> Okay. >> Tips hotline, I'm sure. >> So, you think somebody's just making up these terms, calendar girls, and making up these things that happened? >> Yes, I do believe that if that was on the tips hotline. Okay. So, you're just completely denying it all. >> I'm not denying it. I'm saying if that was on the tips hotline, there should have been um uh some of these were found to have come from the same source. Like a person would just call and call and say and say. Then when they called them back and they were pressed for more details and a name, >> they didn't come forward. >> Okay. I don't know how many times I have to say if it's proven if they are pedophiles, if they're pedos, of course, lock them up, put them in jail, throw away the key. A lot of those tips came from the years. The allegations, let's call them what they are. Allegations came from 2016, 2020. >> Yeah. >> If they were credible, why didn't the Biden administration open an investigation or >> they did? That's what the Epstein files are. These files are part of that investigation. >> Well, the people that are accusing this >> Uh-huh. >> Give us a name. Give us somebody we can go knock on a door and say, "Come here. Tell me more." They're not doing that. >> So, you're just going to deny all the Trump [ __ ] Fine. The next stuff we're going to look at involves Elon Musk and Trump's Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnik. For reference, you need to take this as fact, okay? and hear what I'm saying. >> Was this on the tips hotline? >> No, these are I'm gonna show you emails between Elon Musk and Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Lutnick and Jeffrey Epstein. >> Okay, >> you have to understand Jeffrey Epstein was first charged in 2006 following a 2005 investigation in Palm Beach into sexual abuse of a 14-year-old girl. >> Okay, >> he eventually pleaded guilty to a lesser charge in 2008. Okay, you need to know that timeline. 2008 is when he plead guilty. 2006 is when he was charged. All right. >> Okay. >> So, everybody in his circle at that point knew this about him, knew that he was charged and plead guilty. 2008. Okay. Now, here is a This is an email exchange. Can you read that? >> I see the white thing going around. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. This is because your internet is very bad. >> My internet's terrible. I know it is. Understood. I see you. >> You read it from um >> from to Elon Musk. >> Bottom to top. Read it from bottom to top. >> Bottom to top. Oh, you are welcome. >> This is a chain of emails. So, and and look at the date. This is 2012. So, this is four years after Epstein plead guilty to a lesser charge in that uh the charge against him that was sexually assaulting a 14-year-old. >> So, the bottom one says, "You are welcome to stay or just come for the day. Plenty of room. I will send Healey to get you." >> Helicopter. That's Jeffrey Epstein to Elon Musk. Okay. >> Okay. Then the next one. Do you have any parties planned? I've been working to the edge of sanity this year and so once my kids head home for Christmas, I really want to hit the party scene in St. Barts or elsewhere and let loose. The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for. >> That's Elon Musk saying >> and that was Elon Musk wrote that. >> And then the top one is now Epstein replying back to him. >> Understand? He said, "I will see you at St. Bart. that R show on my island might make who is that >> Tila I'm not sure uncomfortable >> a girlfriend or his wife uncomfortable >> who knows yeah okay so you you see Elon Musk is asking Jeffrey Epstein to come to his parties >> right >> in 2012 four years after he plead guilty in this uh charge of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old >> and did Elon Musk go to the parties on the island >> yes what do you [ __ ] think He's asking him to go. Here's the next email. Okay, this is also from Elon Musk. >> Now, involving Elon Musk. >> While we did bring that up, Trump was never on an airplane to that island. That is in the files, too. >> Fine. Again, read this from bottom to top. >> So, the bottom one is Epstein to Elon Musk. >> Any plans for New York? The opening of the General Assembly has many interesting people coming to the house. And that was from Epstein to Musk in 2013, five years after the sexual assault charge. >> Then I run and lead product design engineering for two complicated companies. Moreover, SpaceX is about to launch, which is argu arguably the most advanced rocket in history. Flying to New York to see UN diplomats do nothing would be an unwise use of time. Okay, so Elon Musk is like, "Well, why would I want to come there to see diplomats?" Then Jeffrey Epste has to really spell it out for him. Go ahead. >> Do you think I'm [ __ ] Just kidding. There is no one over 25 and all very cute. >> So when Jeffrey Epste is saying there's going to be some interesting people coming to the house, he's trying to insinuate, I'm going to have underage children there, >> right, >> for these sex parties. And Elon Musk doesn't get it. He's like, "Why would I come there for interesting people and diplomats?" And he's like, "Hey, [ __ ] They're all underage, >> right? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a Yeah, that's spelling it out. Did he go? Did he go? >> Oh, [ __ ] course he did. >> And look, you're you're saying, "Did he go?" >> Jeffrey Epstein at this point has pled guilty to a lesser charge in a child sexual abuse case, >> right? >> Five years before this, >> right? They all know that he is a [ __ ] sexual predator and he's having casual emails with him about going to a party with underage girls. >> Okay, if Musk went, why did Musk stand on X and everything else and say, "Release the files. Release the files." >> Because he was having a little pissing match with Donald Trump. >> I do remember that. >> Okay. >> Clinton has said the same thing. And they're now going to testify. >> I know. and they were not, okay? But now they are because they're afraid they might go to jail. >> Now, I want to play you a video. This is a video of Howard Lutnik. This is Donald Trump's personally appointed Secretary of Commerce. >> Okay. >> This is a podcast he was on uh talking about Epstein. Let me know when you can see the video and then I'll start playing it. >> I can see the man's face. Yes. >> Okay. This is him on a podcast called Pod Force One. This is a two and a half minute clip. We're watching it all. Here we go. >> [laughter] >> Jeffrey was your neighbor. >> I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about him. U East 71st Street. Um you were he was your neighbor for 10 years. How well did you know him? >> All right. So we are in number 11 and he lives in number nine. >> Right. >> So uh we renovate we buy our house and our house is pigeons and mice. >> Right. >> Okay. That's it. It was derelct. Right. >> So we build we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005. Okay. Jeffrey Epste is arrested in like08, I think, or something like that. >> Right. Right. >> So, knock on the door. His assistant on like a Saturday says, "Mr. Epstein, uh, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee." >> So, my wife and I go next door, you know, we walk the seven steps. >> Yes. >> Right. To the next house for for coffee. We share a wall. >> Right. >> Right. So, it's New York City. So, he invites us in. We have coffee in this. And he says, "Do you want a tour?" >> He said, "Great." >> Interesting. >> He's got really big house. >> Every room you went into, >> he's got he's got it. Well, I'll tell you. So, his house is like super big, really wide. And uh so he gives me a tour in the living room. Big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room. >> Yeah. >> And he opens the doors and there's a massage table in the middle of the room. >> Oo. and candles all around and stuff. So, I ask very insightful, cutting questions. I say to him, "Massage table in the middle of your house? How often you have a massage?" And he says, "Every day." And then he like gets like weirdly close to me >> and he says, "And the right kind of massage." >> Now, my wife is standing here. So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, "I'm sorry. We have to go." And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So, I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going cuz he's gross. Okay, so you got that right. >> Mhm. >> Howard Lutnick says he met him once before all the charges. He's gross. We made a decision in the six steps to never speak to him again. This is an email that's in the Epstein files from Howard Lutnik to Jeffrey Epstein. Are you ready? >> Can you read it? [snorts] >> I'm looking. I don't see anything yet. >> All right. [laughter] >> The white thing's going around and around. >> This is from December 19th, 2012, by the way. So, this would be four years after the charges. >> I can't. It's pretty tiny print. Let's see. >> You can you can do it. Come on. >> Like I'm at the eye doctor today. You're giving me an eye exam. >> Okay. You can do >> I go from bottom to top. >> What's that? Yep. Bottom to top. >> Okay. Here we go. >> This is the bottom one is from Howard Lutnick to Jeffrey Epstein. >> We are landing in St. This is like an eye exam. Thanks, Chad. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Barts on Monday at some point. We are. Where are you located? What is the exact location for my captain? >> Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcy Lurman with me on the boat and each of us has four kids. 216, 214, a 13, a 12, 11, a seven. E, >> thanks, Howard. And then I can just it's easier for me to do this probably. Yes. [laughter] >> Epstein replies, uh, "Come Saturday or Sunday lunch, little St. James on the map behind Christmas Cove." And then, uh, Leslie Grath, I assume, is Lutnik's assistant or something, says, "I'll let you know what he says." So, Howard Lutnick is on tape saying, "I my wife and I said he's disgusting and we never saw him again." After that, he's emailing him to set up lunch dates with him and his children. >> And that was after >> the charges. That was in two No, the video is very recent. He's lying about the past. >> He's lying. Yeah. Got it. >> Okay. You You understand he's caught in a lie here. Right. >> Right. Right. >> So, and this is again, Donald Trump handpicked this guy to be his secretary of commerce. Donald Trump handpicked Elon Musk to be in his immediate orbit running do. They need to be investigated for sure. That needs to be investigated. >> Well, they're not. >> That it needs to be. I have said this before, Chad. I don't believe in pedophiles. Those people are terrible. They're creeps. Whatever they did to those victims and kids, they need to all go to jail or rott in hell. >> Except Donald Trump. >> Donald Trump never was on the island. >> There are accusations. >> Was on the island doesn't matter. You understand Jeffrey Epste wasn't just doing this at his island. It was an everyday occurrence, part of his life. No matter where he was, whatever party he was throwing, it was all a part of it. >> He Trump, >> there's allegations from a 16-year-old girl in a diary that she wrote, which I assume you wouldn't take that as real either, that Mara Lago was kind of like the ground zero for where Epstein would come to get girls from Donald Trump, that he would sell them to him. You saw that check that Donald Trump pres or Epstein presented Donald Trump or vice versa. $20,000 for a fully depreciated woman. You saw that picture. I showed that to you on our show. There's so much linking Donald Trump to Epstein and selling and abusing of women. >> Once once Epstein though was um went to prison, I mean Trump cut off ties with him long before that, didn't he? >> No. That's what all of this shows. >> Why do I read that? Why do I read it that way? >> Because you're watching Newsmax. Now, >> I'm going to show you a video of Donald Trump and Caitlyn Collins from CNN. This happened just uh yesterday, I think, or maybe the day before. >> Okay, >> you want an investigation into all of this, right? If people are in the Epste files in a credible way, investigate them. Donald Trump does not want that. Here is what he had to say >> on the Epstein files. You talked about Democrats who were in there. Elon Musk was also in there and so was your commerce secretary Howard Lutnik and correspondents that he had with him. Did you read those new files that were published by the Department of Justice? >> I have a lot of things I'm doing and a lot of things I'm doing. I don't know. Uh you mentioned two names. I'm sure they're fine. I'm sure they're fine. Otherwise, it would have been major headlines. >> A lot of women who were are survivors of Epstein are unhappy with those redactions that came out. Some of them entire witness interviews are totally blacked out. Do you think that they should be more transparency against me literally by Epstein and other people? But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get on to something else. But what would you say to people who feel like they haven't gotten justice? Mr. President, >> something that people care about. Yeah. What what do you say? Go ahead. >> What would you What would you say to the survivors who feel [clears throat] they got >> You are the worst reporter. No wonder to see CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile. I'm >> asking you about survivors. >> You know why? You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. and you're a you're a very dishonest organization and they should be ashamed of you. >> These are survivors of a sexual abuser. >> Okay. So, you want an investigation. Trump wants us all to move on and sweep this under the rug. And the two sets of emails I just showed you between Elon Musk and Howard Letic. He says, "I haven't read them, but I'm sure they're fine." Do you think they're fine? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. So, why is Trump doing this? Think about it. Why is Trump trying to sweep this all under the rug, telling us to move on, look at something else, and then when Caitlyn Collins presses him and says, "What about these survivors who are not getting justice?" He attacks her. >> Calls her a bad person. >> I watched that. I did see that. I didn't understand. >> Why do you think he attacked her? >> He wants to move on. He said, >> "Why? This is the biggest pedophile ring. You guys on the right are always talking about, oh, secret pedophile ring and they're eating children and all this [ __ ] >> right? >> This dump of files is the biggest thing in that story that we have ever had. And he wants you to look somewhere else. Don't talk about it. >> Somewhere else. I don't what he said is not right. It needs to be investigated. I can remember 10 years ago. Do you remember Mel Gibson? I read this the other day. When Mel Gibson about 10 years ago said this and everybody thought he was nuts that Hollywood is a pedto ring, a den of parasites who feast upon blooded children. Every every studio in Hollywood, he said, is bought and paid for with innocent children blood. And everybody was going, "What the hell is he talking about?" Now it's in our face. It needs to be investigated, >> right? But Trump doesn't want to happen. Then people need to keep talking about it and keep putting pressure on him. >> But but you're you're missing. Why do you think he doesn't want you to talk about it? >> Because I've said this before, too. I really think Epstein was paid by higher up people in a different country, which could start with the letter I. >> All right. >> You know what country I'm talking about. >> Yes. So somehow that country is telling Trump, you better shut this all down and shut up or we're going to get you like we did somebody else in your country just recently. >> So you think Israel is blackmailing Donald Trump to stop talking about the Epstein files? >> Could be. >> And so then at that point, let's say that's true. >> Donald Trump then is so compromised by a foreign government that he cannot effectively lead our country. You would agree with that? >> No, he can lead the country, but this he can't stop. I don't I don't know if he can or not. >> So, you think this is if they have enough blackmail power over him or however they're controlling him that they can get him to attack a reporter on live television, they can get him to say, "Don't look at the Epstein files. I know all these big high by the way uh I I researched this a little bit before we got on here. Right now because of the release of the Epstein files, the United Kingdom, Lithuania, Poland, and Slovakia have all now open investigations into people that are in the Epstein files that they have jurisdiction over. We have opened zero investigations. >> That's good. I mean, that's good. And we should open them, too. But we're not going to. Todd Blanch, his deputy attorney general, has said it's over. There are no investigations. We released the files and we're done. >> He has said it is over. >> Pressure. People are going to put pressure on this. They will not just stop with this. >> Who's going to put pressure on it? The DOJ is controlled by Trump. >> There's no one to bring an investigation that Trump doesn't control. And >> there's no way it's just going to stop. >> I I agree with you. I don't think it's going to stop, but Trump's not going to bring an investigation. This is going to have I don't know how it's going to it's shaking out, but >> though no documents that have been released have really accused him of sexual abuse children on the island. >> You just read one. You read one at the top of this. >> The calendar girls >> that was not on the island. >> What does the island have to do with anything? those those hot tip things do because >> so if he abuses a child but it's not on Jeffrey Epstein's island, you're okay with that? >> No, you know I'm not. >> Then why do you keep saying the island? Who gives a [ __ ] if it was on the island? >> Cuz you guys were just you were salivating to see if his name was brought up in logs that flew to that island or not. >> No, I don't care if he was on the plane or at the island. There are videos of him and Epstein partying together, which Todd Blanch, by the way, says it's not illegal to party with Jeffrey Epste. It's like, uh, yeah, it is. After 2008 when he plead guilty to a lesser charge in a child sexual abuse case, partying with that guy after that, I mean, who would [ __ ] do it? You know, now what he is. It's public information. >> I am not against hiding any of this, but they need to get the truth, not accusations. And have you seen recently, this is kind of bizarre, the picture of the New York mayor now standing there with his mama, his mother? >> That's AI. >> With Ebstein? >> That's fake. It's AI. >> Is she not Has she not met with Epstein before? >> It is all fake. Read it. You can read all about it. That picture is not real >> with him as a child standing. >> Correct. That's right. >> See, I believe it was true. >> And it's not. >> Why is it circulating all over >> to for people like you to think it's true? Cuz you're like, I hate Mum Donnie and now he's in the Epstein files. >> Why have they not shot that down yet? >> They have. >> Not I I'm seeing it all over the place. >> Okay. >> See if you can debunk that one for me. I'm gonna do it right now because then I read on that he's the love child of Epstein. Okay. Okay. So, here you go. Go to Snopes. Beware. Images showing Mum Donnie and his mom with Epstein Clinton Gates Bezos. Although Mum Donniey's mother attended an afterparty at Galain Maxwell's house for a film she directed, the image with m with mom Donnie is entirely fake. Um, an image >> that the mother was there. >> Yep. An image circulated online in late January, early February 2026, allegedly depicted New York Mayor Mor uh Zoramdani as a child and his mother with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, former US President Bill Clinton, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, Amazon owner Jeff Bezos, and Epstein associate Glenn Maxwell. Uh conspiracy theorists and infowars Alex Jones posted the image and claimed that it was real. This and then you can see Alex Jones had this post. Grock says this photo of the young future New York City mayor Zur Mumdonni with Jeffrey Epstein Bill Gates but Clinton and others is real. Um Jones post received 1.6 million views. The image of Mum Donnie and his mother with Epstein Clinton Gates and Bezos originated with dumb fuckfinder a social media account that describes its output as being humorous and satirical in nature. The ex account is labeled parody account and its bio says it shares imagery created with AI to expose people who believe it. You are one of the people who believes it. The image spread. >> I look at Instagram, it's there. I look at Tik Tok, it's there. >> And I'm telling you, >> the web, it's there. >> And it's I'm telling you, it's not a real picture. It is AI. You have been tricked. >> Okay. Then you believe me? >> I do believe you on that. >> Okay. >> I don't know why, but I do believe you. >> What do you mean you don't know? No. We ran the image of Mumani and Nare through AI detection software Hive which found the image to be more than 97% likely to be AI generated. >> But his mother was at a film thing with them at a party, right? >> What? Why does that matter? >> That she associated with them herself >> and >> and >> Donald Trump associated with Epstein multiple times. There's multiple videos and pictures of him that are real with Epstein and underage girls. So what is it that matters or it doesn't? >> I told you yes if they're true. If the accusations are true >> I you're trying to say Zoran Money's mom was at a party with Epstein. So that's bad. Trump was at a million parties with Epstein. So is that bad or not? He cut the ties with him after the allegations. >> My god. >> Okay. So, you think Zoran Money's mom was friends with Epstein? >> She's in a picture standing there. >> Okay. So, is >> they just put the little mayor in as AI? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> No, the whole picture is AI. >> How could they What? What if they AI Trump and everything? Okay, they didn't. >> There is video from the 90s of them partying together. That is not AI. >> Here's what I'm saying. There were the three pages of that tip hotline were just horrific things were said, correct, that Trump did. I couldn't even read it. I was getting sick to my stomach. >> Yep. If those were credible, why was there not a real investigation or a criminal case brought against him or anyone else that they were talking about in the tip hotline >> because they are protecting all of these people. >> Uhhuh. >> You understand? They blacked out faces and names and emails of tons of guys that are co-conspirators with Epstein, >> right? >> Trump included. They blacked out. There was a thing in the Epstein files that was just a picture from a Forbes article about Donald Trump and they blacked out Trump's face in it. So they have been instructed to black out everything of Trump in the Epstein files except these things that he can easily deny. That's crazy. It was just a tip hotline as you're denying it now. The real [ __ ] about Trump is hidden behind giant black squares. Well, the part the part I don't understand too was Biden's administration so stupid >> Yep. >> that they could not release this stuff earlier to tank Trump and then not worry about Trump anymore. >> It's for two reasons. One, >> why? >> It was an active investigation. So, you can't release the information while the investigation's going. >> Biden was a president. As you're telling me, Trump can do anything now as president. So could Biden have >> because the investigation was over when Trump was president, >> but Trump um Biden had these he knew these records. They were there supposedly. >> So the investigation is ongoing during Biden, so he can't release it legally. two, even if he wanted to do that under Biden, there was still the assumption that the White House and the DOJ operate separately, that the president doesn't influence how law is done in this country and law enforcement and investigations. That used to be the way America was literally until Trump. >> Well, I think >> because Trump is an authoritarian, he now controls the DOJ and the FBI and the [ __ ] NSA. He controls it all. And so when he tells them, "Yeah, we have to release the Epstein files, but make sure I'm not in them." They are going like, and this is, I think, very much based on evidence. They have released the names and photos and addresses of a bunch of victims, over 40 victims. These are people who didn't want their names and images released. They released them. So, it's either through ineptitude, like just being terrible at the job, or they're doing it on purpose to punish these women. Either way, they release them. There are pictures of Donald Trump in those Epstein files that are like, like I said, a picture that was used in a Forbes article, just regular pictures of him as president in the White House where they blacked out his face because he told them, "Get rid of me from these Epstein files." That's why it took so long to go through them, even trying to go through them and and redact all of Trump's names. His name is in the Epstein files over 5,000 times. >> I know. I I got on epstein. Media, I think is where I started looking at stuff, >> but there was everything from his BOA account, Bank of America account to security accounts to this and that. His name was in there a lot, but it wasn't with sexual predator stuff that I saw. It was like all different kinds of things in there. So just because his name was in there that many times >> and I didn't get >> you're talking about Zor Mani's mom in that same capacity. You're saying she was at a party and there's this AI picture of her and you're using that to condemn her and Miy Zorani as well. You're using it as like look at that they're pieces of [ __ ] but you dismiss all of these instances of Trump that are in the >> file that for him if he is a pedto and you know that Okay. But what I'm saying is the level of evidence that seems to be required for you, I don't know what it is because his name appears in the Epstein files 5,000 times. Yes, these are these are tip lines, whatever, but you have this horrible [ __ ] being said about him. Like, why isn't horrible [ __ ] like that about Bill Clinton or uh Bill Gates? No, it isn't. No, it isn't. >> It wasn't on It wasn't on the TIPS hotline. >> Correct. There was stuff I read about Clinton about putting collars and stuff on kids and the boys and whipping them. So, I did read some of that. So, >> all right. I'm just saying, >> who do we believe, Chad? Who do we believe? Really, >> I'm not saying that those tipline things are true. I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying Trump is in the Epstein files both in volume and severity of accusation in a way that no one else is. He's in there volumewise because of his business dealings and like I said his finances, the banking he was doing and that kind of stuff. >> Okay. But even that, why is he why is he doing >> for someone that did that to kids and you know that if they did that to kids, lock them up, throw the key away, rott in hell. >> Why is he doing banking and stuff with Epstein? >> It was his Bank of America something and securities or something that I read. >> It didn't have anything to do with Epstein. was with a bank with somebody's name. >> But and you're missing the bigger point, which is again, why does he want us to stop talking about the Epstein files? >> You believe it's because he's completely compromised by Israel? >> Maybe some of it. I don't know. Israel just keeps popping up in my mind. I told you this. I don't like it. >> Okay. But don't you then think we should have a president who isn't compromised by Israel? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, not Trump then. Trump is our president and he will be until the next guy is elected which will be banned. >> That's not necessarily true. You can get impeached and if you're compromised by a foreign country, that's definitely grounds for impeachment. >> Right. >> Right. >> You wanted that to happen to Joe Biden because you thought he was compromised by China. Now you're literally telling me you believe the reason Trump doesn't want us to talk about the Epstein files is because he is compromised by Israel. You're literally saying compromised in a way like they could kill him and take him down. >> That's I don't know. That's just I'm just thinking. I'm trying to think. That's fine. That's fine. Obviously, I like that you're thinking. >> If I don't think the way you do, then you get on my ass. >> No, I I'm not I don't I don't know. Maybe he is adviser. I don't know. You may be right. >> I'm just saying like the evidence we have is these files come out. His name is in it thousands of times. People who are close to him in his administration, Elon Musk, Howard Lutnik, are in these files in very credible ways emailing to set up times to go visit Jeffrey Epstein talking about underage girls. That's all in these files. >> I don't These are not going to go away. Like he said, they're not going to be done. They're not going to go away. People keep pushing. >> You have to look one step further. Why does he want them to go away? >> He's over it, I guess. But why? If he's done nothing wrong, and like you're saying, these allegations are just allegations. They're just on the tip line. They're not real. If there's nothing in the Epstein files that he fears being exposed, why does he care if we keep looking at it? >> He should not. >> Correct. But he does. >> But he does. Don't you see that as like that's not behavior someone would do if they weren't credibly implicated in the Epstein files? Right. >> Maybe. >> Okay. But you're still going to keep supporting him >> until proven that these allegations are true. >> But it doesn't his behavior doesn't make you suspicious. >> No, because I've read the tip hotline where all the bad stuff was. Forget the tip hotline. You saw him yelling. >> You saw him yell at a reporter for asking, "What about the victims?" And he said, "You're a bad person. You don't smile ever. I've known you for 10 years. You should smile more." That was bizarre. >> Just saying misogynistic [ __ ] >> It wasn't bizarre at all. He doesn't want people to talk about the Epstein files. That's why it took him a year to pass the Epstein Transparency Act. That's why it took his DOJ multiple months after the deadline to release the files. And that's why every picture of him, even publicly available pictures, are blacked out in those files because he said, "Fuck, >> we've talked about the pictures that all the Democrats let out too, where he's standing with the girls at the beauty pageant." >> So that's not AI. Why would they do that and say, "Look, he's with young girls when he wasn't." >> You get hung up on these things. >> Who do we believe? >> Who do we believe? I'm sure he hung out with women that were not underage. He has bragged about walking in and seeing uh underage women. >> I know >> changing. You've heard him say that. I played that clip for you. >> You've told me that. >> You have seen him react like this to Caitlyn Collins asking >> legit questions. He says, "You're a piece of [ __ ] Your network's a piece of [ __ ] That's why you have low ratings. We all need to move on from this." It's like there's I'm looking at an email where Elon Musk is asking Jeffrey Epstein to set up a party with underage girls. We need to move on from this. Elman stood in the oval office and and was running the country for the first six months of of Trump's presidency. >> I thought I read some of that where it said he never attended. >> He's emailing with this guy to set up parties four years after he's been convicted, plead guilty in a child sexual assault case. >> Right. Then why just a year ago did he have it out with Trump and say let the files out? >> Because I think Elon Musk, maybe correctly so, believes I am the richest man in the world. I can do whatever I want. >> Yeah. He's almost a trillionaire now. I think. Yeah. >> But you can see how this is a a collection of purely evil billionaire men who were doing whatever they wanted. >> Yes, I do. Trump is one of them. If they are pedophiles, they need to rot in hell and go to jail. I don't know how many times I've said this and go straight down, >> right? But I'm I'm asking you to look at something here. >> I'm asking you, how do we believe that? How do we get this um all the chatter for real? How do we know? How do we know? >> Because you look at what's in front of you. >> Take one to court. >> They're never going to go to court. They have too much money. That's part of this problem. When a person has a billion dollars, they nothing can happen to them. How long did Epstein do this? Eventually, he got, you know, committed suicide in jail or whatever, >> right? >> But he was doing this for decades without any repercussion, >> right? >> They all have been. If you have enough money in this world, you can do whatever you want. And these [ __ ] at the top are evil. The things they want to do are evil. But he didn't come from a lot of money. His family and he was this whole thing was set up. I think >> who who didn't come from money? >> Epstein. People gave him money to start this. >> Irrelevant. >> Huh? >> Irrelevant. >> Okay. But someone gave him a bunch of money and said, "Let's get this going. >> Let's entrap people." >> Great. Let's do prostitution stuff so I can get evidence on people. >> Sure. Probably. Okay. And >> I'm asking you to think about this. Donald Trump is at the middle of it all. He's friends with Epstein. They're trading girls back and forth between Mara Lago and Epstein's island. That's all documented. As soon as Trump gets into office, what does he do? He installs Elon Musk and Howard Lutnik, both of whom are in contact with Epstein. All of Trump's inner circle is in contact with Epstein. He's in contact with Epstein. You think Trump is the only person in that chain of people who isn't partaking in these parties, who isn't doing the bad stuff. >> No, a lot of people, >> right? But Trump, too. Like if you're hanging out constantly with a bunch of people who do this terrible [ __ ] you really think that person's just like a doesn't know about it? Like do you think Trump knew this bad [ __ ] was going on? >> Yes. And that's why he cut off ties with him and he >> That's a crime. >> He cut off ties with him. >> That's a crime >> to cut off ties with him. >> To know that somebody is committing child sexual abuse and not report it and keep hanging out with them. He didn't cut ties. That's part of what the Epstein files is saying, too. Trump is lying, just like Lutnik did about saying, "We knew immediately he was gross and we never went to his island." Cut to >> Here's an email four years later where you're asking to go to his island. Trump did the same thing. >> They all need to be held accountable some way, somehow. >> Even Trump and help Yes. and help the victims if it's all true. Yes. I don't know how many times I have to say this. >> I don't know. I I just never feel like you are quite grasping exactly what's going on here or that you you believe what's in these files. >> The tip hotline stuff. I do not believe that. >> Okay. >> That's kind of been proven that that was all not right. Accusations. No one came forward after they called him back. No one would come in and say yes. >> Same accusations from same phone. >> Yeah. Do you think Howard Lutnik and Elon Musk are fine like Donald Trump said? >> Like I said, probably no. Probably. I don't know, Chad. I don't know. >> But you have to come to >> like reading a book and do you believe the book or do you not until proven guilty and they're taken to trial in court? >> But that doesn't mean anything to you either. Trump has been found guilty of 34 felonies and you don't believe it. That happened in a court. Not found guilty. >> Yes. Found guilty. >> Okay. >> You want to read this? >> Yeah. Let's read that. >> Let's read that. >> Okay. >> A New York jur jurors in the New York criminal trial against former President Donald Trump have convicted him of 34 felony counts of falsified business records. This was May of 2024. Are you listening to me? What's going on? >> Yes. Yes. I was googling, too. Go. I'm listening. >> This is the first time a former or sitting US president has been convicted of criminal charges. The jurors said they unanimously agreed unanimously that Trump falsified business records to conceal a $130,000 hush money payment to Stormmy Daniels. The 34 felony counts are um let's see invoices for legal services guilty on 11 of 11 charges. Checks paid for legal services guilty on 11 of 11 charges. Ledger entries for legal expenses guilty on 12 of 12 charges. Uh and it just lists them all. That's a giant list of 34 things. Do you want me to go through them? Invoice for Michael Cohen marked as record >> and he's not in jail, right? So, >> huh, >> he's not in jail >> because he became president and that's that. The Supreme Court has said you can't put a president in jail and that's it. He was found guilty and then before sentencing he became president and now it's just gone. Do you see how corrupt that is? Hello. >> I'm here. >> He's above the law now. He's been found guilty of 34 felonies. He won't do a day in jail. You don't think that's bad? >> That was all done. It was over. >> Okay. You don't get it. Um, thank you for joining me today. I I don't know what to do at this point in order to get you to see what is actually happening here. It's It's astounding to me that you It just nothing registers if Trump is in >> What do you want me to say? What do you want me to say? I don't agree with anything. If those people did that, okay, I don't agree with that. They should all rot in hell and go to jail. >> Okay, so >> except Trump. >> No, he should too. If he did that, he's not my president. I don't know how many times I've told you this. And he should be in in hell and go to jail. Go to jail. >> Saying that like if he did those things, but then I'm showing you like, okay, here's the allegations against him. And you're like, well, that was just a tip line, so you dismiss it. Okay, here's what he >> allegations. You're right. >> Allegations. >> Sure. and then but they're not going to investigate them because he controls the DOJ. >> Do you see how how the the whole deck is stacked? He controls every one of the governmental agencies that could possibly investigate him. >> He has told those agencies. He installed uh Pam Bondi who's not going to ever do anything bad against him. Cash Patel is so far up his [ __ ] butthole it's embarrassing. He's not going to ever do anything against him. They are actively concealing information to protect him, including the redaction of his name in the Epstein files. >> There will be more pressure put on him to keep doing this and investigate the people that are in there. There has to be. >> But who cares? All he has to say is, "Pam Bondi, we're done. Cash Patel, we're done. Go steal some more ballots from me and let's control the next election." He has installed loyalists at every meaningful position in these government agencies who are now actively breaking the law on his behalf almost on a daily basis. And so when you see that clip of him yelling at Caitlyn Collins, "We should move on. You're not nice. You don't smile enough." That's because he's pissed off that people won't let it go because he knows if we get to the bottom of this, he is [ __ ] He knows that. That's That's the only explanation for that kind of behavior. >> Yeah. I didn't Yeah, that wasn't good. I don't know. I don't know anymore, Chad. I really don't know. >> That's good. >> The world is crazy. Did you see the illegal? It was two illegals in Dallas. I didn't even talk to him. >> Two illegal what? >> Um like nationals from Mexico. >> Two human beings. >> All right. Illegal aliens up on top of a bridge shooting at people in Dallas as they drove over the highway. >> No, I didn't see it. >> I didn't even talk to Haley about that. >> This was today. >> This was about four days ago. >> I didn't see it. Send me a link. >> The world's crazy. I don't know what to do. >> Right. But you you always come to these like kind of final conclusions like everything's crazy. I don't know. Maybe it was AI. And then you believe the AI [ __ ] when it's against somebody you don't like. >> But you don't believe it. Huh? >> No. He's only let 16 people freeze in this bitter cold is all. >> Who? >> New York mayor for not bringing them in off the street. 16 people froze to death. >> There's a lot of people have died in ice custody so far. So >> they're >> Trump's doing it, too. >> Okay. >> Uh thanks for doing this. Um, I just feel like there's got to be something's going to come out that will be undeniable for you where you can't just be like, I don't know. >> I hope so, too. I hope so, too. >> Um, anyways, we will be back on possibly Monday. No show this Sunday. And then if we don't do Monday, we'll be back next midweek. But thank you for doing this, Mom. I do love you. I think we still can save you. I You're You're right there. I can feel it. >> [laughter] >> I I am saved. I'm already saved. >> Let me ask you this. Can you imagine a version of yourself that doesn't like Donald Trump? >> No. >> Okay. >> Not really. >> There you have it. >> I love you, Chad. >> I love you, too. I will talk to you soon. >> Be careful gallivanting. >> Huh? >> Be careful while you are gallivanting. >> Driving. >> Yes. >> I'll try to be careful while I drive. All right. >> Um, thanks everybody for joining us. We'll be back next week. >> Bye.