Is MAGA Officially Dead w/ The Necessary Conversation Podcast LIVE 4PM PST

All right. Mom, me. [laughter] Everybody's ready lunching. Yeah, my name is Mary Lou. Um, I'm part of this necessary conversation. U, my son was a creator and I agreed to say yes and here I am.

And I am MAGA. Mega mega. There you go. Ma. Uh, my name's Haley Pop. I own Hive Bakery in Flower Mount, Texas. and I am the lib sib on the necessary pod.

My name's Chad. Um Maryl is my mom. Haley is my sister. And uh we do the necessary conversation every Sunday and Wednesday. Yeah. And uh for all my audience, I have your guys's uh YouTube channel linked to my pin comment. Make sure you guys go support them. Subscribe. And for your guys' audience, because we should be live on both, I am Nate. I am a retired Green Beret. A little over 10 years in Army Special Forces. I'm an independent, so I'm sort of in the middle of all this. Uh, and my audience knows we're [clears throat]

we're probably the the most vocal anti Well, hold on. I'm the most vocal anti-magga conservative on the internet. So, okay, it's an interesting di

an interesting demographic I think we have here. Um, do you guys I think that a lot of people really like your show. I was just talking to your mom about this because of how relatable it is to so many people's families.

Um my family, it's me and my sister, like I said, about your guys' age. Uh and we have kind of the same d uh dem or not demographic, I guess you could say. But what what made you guys decide to do a show politically with a family that you know, progressive verse MAGA? Because it is very contentious. Most families don't even want [laughter] to talk. Most families don't even want to talk about this stuff. We don't like the second we talk about it, it's

doors are getting slammed, people aren't talking to each other for months. That's how you kind of That's why Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why I I wanted to start it. Um, you know, somewhere during Obama's second term, we got to a point as a family where we were not talking that much and anytime we'd go back for a birthday or Christmas or whatever, it would be me and my sister sitting on a couch with Fox News blasting in two different rooms simultaneously and our dad just screaming in our faces how stupid we were to vote for Obama.

Yeah. Um, then somewhere Trump happened obviously that made [ __ ] way worse. And um somewhere in Biden's maybe second, we've been doing this for about four years, right? So it was during Biden's second or third year,

uh I was just kind of like, we don't really talk to our parents. We don't have much of a relationship with them because of politics

and they are getting older. And I was like, is this really how we're going to go out? How this feels? Yeah. Um so I hit my mom up and I was like, hey, I I've done a bunch of other podcasts. I do a couple other ones currently. I really like podcasting as an art form, as a way to express ideas and all that kind of stuff. And so I just I knew how to make one. And I was like, "Hey, mom, here's what I'm thinking. Would you be willing to talk with me for an hour about just kind of how you grew up, what, you know, got you

And so she agreed. We did that one hour and then I did one with my sister, then I did one with my dad. Um, and then we just have been doing it every Sunday since and kind of upgraded it here and there with cameras and doing social media and all of that. And um, yeah, but that's how it started and that's why it started.

That's cool. That Do you guys feel like it brought actually like brought your family closer together even though it seems so kind of divisive at times during your show?

Yeah, I times Yeah. I call Well, I call you every day now. I mean, I talk to my mom now every day. Sometimes multiple times a day.

Um, and before that, literally, it was just uh [ __ ] dead. Like, we weren't talking at all about anything, like complete radio silence. So, it was necessary. Um, you know, I think for Chad and I to keep them in our lives. Obviously, when parents get older, you want to be there through all that [ __ ] Uh, and that that for us was like the realization that, you know, they didn't have a lot of people around them. It was just me and Chad. So, we had to do this.

Yeah. There were there were times though, too, when I we started that podcast early on, and I mean, there was there was days where I had felt like I had run a marathon when we were done.

I was like, "Oh my gosh, I can't keep doing this. This is insane." You know, and when Bob was on the show, too, like boy, he gets crazy sometimes. And then I was like, "Oh my gosh."

Yeah, it was hard. It It's hard on some days, but then we walk away from it. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. How is your dad doing? My dad actually had a stroke this year, too. Uh,

so how is your dad doing with everything? Is he doing okay? He is, as of today, back in the hospital. We've been fighting UTI, but he's much much better.

Yeah, he's coming home next week. Where? Okay, awesome. Let's uh let's talk Chad and Haley. Where would you guys say that you guys fall politically? I mean, we do I have a politics channel. I have and actually have a very diverse audience on my channel. We have far-left progressives and then right-wing conservatives all watching. Where where would you guys like identify yourselves as politically right now?

What do you got? Haley libtard. [laughter] Oh my god. Um I mean I'm I'm super liberal. I definitely lean toward leftist. Um I, you know, believe in lots of socialist policies and uh you know I I I want what's best for the greater good. Um but I am not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. Uh,

okay. Honestly, I I believe in anarchy at this point. [ __ ] it up, burn it down. I I would say I'm kind of I I have a very similar path. I don't consider myself Democrat or Republican, but also am incredibly liberal.

And for me, I I don't want to burn it all down like Haley does. I would rather just make something completely new. I think we need a societal system.

That's where I'm at, Chad. Effectively doesn't use money. Um, I don't know that we need representatives anymore. We have the internet now. I think we could all be voting for everything on our phone in terms of like where money is allocated to what programs. Like you pay, in my perfect kind of world, you pay your taxes in quotes and then you have an app that says where do you want to allocate your taxes? Defense, social programs, whatever. And we each on an individual level get to choose where our money is spent and how.

I've never heard anybody suggest that before. And I actually really do like that idea. That's interesting. So, we actually have we have three people on the show that are sort of partyless, but maybe ideologies. What about you, Mary? Where do you find yourself politically?

Of course. I I feel like I'm a Republican. I guess they told me I'm MAGA, even though I think I'm more just a Republican, but they they're going, "No, you're MAGA. You're MAGA." Um,

you you wear Trump hats regularly. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. This Mary, I think this is important because as a conservative, this is the first question I want to ask you. Do you consider yourself a Republican or a conservative? Because MAGA is not conservative. There's nothing conservative about MAGA. MAGA, I'm sure you guys have talked about this before um on your guys' show. Do you consider yourself a MAGA Republican or a conservative?

Wow. These are different these are different things now, right? I know. I would say Republican, I guess. Okay. So, you're you're less conservative ideologies.

Yeah. When I vote Uhhuh. What what I mean by this is if we think about some issues, the Iran war, the economy, domestic spending, foreign spending, MAGA is not conservative, right? Spending hundreds of billions of dollars on the Iran war that we shouldn't in my opinion. Spending a hundred billion dollars on ICE domestically, these are all things adding$2 trillion dollars to the budget and Trump has, right? None of these things are conservative values, but you do you still support these things that I that I mentioned?

Some of them? No, I do not. So, that means Yeah. Yeah. I get into each one of those. We're going to get [laughter] into each one of those.

You you I mean, we talk about this on our show all the time that, you know, there are these kind of mounting lists of things you disagree with in terms of what Trump is doing policy-wise and all his executive orders, blah blah blah, and the effects that it's having on the economy and the average American. You disagree with a lot of them, but you're never willing to say that you won't support Trump. That is MAGA.

Yes. Yeah. Not. Yeah. Not yet. I I'm Okay. That's what I'm saying. It's like you can't That's not just like a regular Republican. You're You're literally saying that you disagree with most of what he's doing now, but you still support him. That's MAGA.

Yes. Okay. Maybe I am for right now. I did hear [laughter] I did hear something today on the news. I'm like, "What? I heard someone say there's an assassination um you know, plot out to get him from Iran."

Yeah, that was that was in the news. And then he said back, "That's fine. I've told my people if they get me, just bomb them all up. Just bomb."

Yeah. He left a letter for JD Vance in the event of his assassination at the hands of the Iranian government. JD Vance is to open the letter and then bomb them like they've never been bombed before.

This this is good because this is this is my first subject [laughter] talking about so we're we're we're sliding right into it on this. Uh but but real quick the reason why I asked you that uh Marylu is that I was if you went back to 2018 I retired out of the military in uh late 2023. Um, and I ideologically started really changing after a lot of time in war uh, in the Middle East and me using my own eyes and saying, "Wow, what are we doing here?" And I'll get a little bit more into that, but the reason I asked that is I left the

[ __ ] That's a cult. You're on that cult [ __ ] Yeah. So, we we do say this about MAGA on my channel as well all the time. But but I think [laughter] you know but but I'm just saying for me Mary Lou sometimes I feel like I'm like a year or two ahead of where you're going to be because I'm like watching you sort of be like I don't really like this. I don't really like this. I don't really like this. That was me like two years ago.

excursion, right? Week 19. Why the [ __ ] are we still here? Why did it happen? Why is it still going on? It's all [ __ ]

Because he has to have a victory that is accepted by the public as such. I mean, you saw there was a recent interview where they asked him like, "How do you think it's going?" And he's like, "It's a fabulous military success."

Huh, bro? What are you talking about? Like, everybody can see that. And he's got Rubio and uh Heg Seth and whoever else just standing behind him like nodding. It's absolute insanity. Mom, you can't think it's a successful war at this point.

I really thought by this point in time it would be done. I really did. I thought it would be over. Yeah. um there would be an agreement, everything would be smoothed out and everything would be fine. I really really in my heart thought that by now.

I see it's not. And you you were promised that by Donald Trump, but that it would be over quickly. you you I'm sure I don't know if you remember this, but if we go back to 2003, right? And before we started the Iraq war, I don't know if you remember this, but George Bush sat in front of the nation and said, "This would take six weeks.

Six weeks in and out. We're going to be done." You you know that we are still in Iraq, still fighting in Iraq, right? Currently today, I have buddies that are there right now. So that's 23. We're 23 23 years into the six week

conflict of Iraq. And so I don't think you should be surprised that I mean I thought it would but yeah I believed I believed what he told us. I believed what he had said in the beginning. Right.

But why? He lies about literally [ __ ] everything. So like why are you why would you believe that? And also, mom, he campaigned on not starting this war. He promised in his campaign multi I don't even know how many times, at least a dozen in different

way more than that. I've shown the montages. It's close to 50 or so. [laughter] Oh, Jesus. There you go. So, so a lot of times he was telling you, I promise I will not start a war with Iran.

Right. You voted for that. Or at least that was a part I remember you talking about it constantly when Biden was in office. That was one of the main things you and dad would bring up. One of your main complaints was like, "Biden's going to start this war with Iran. It's going to be World War II. It's going to end everybody's lives. Now Trump is literally doing it and he lied to you in the campaign and you're still sitting here being like, "Well, I just be over sooner." Yeah.

Yeah. The [ __ ] What? Um, and Mary Lou, I want you to understand, again, I I I think you guys probably understand have a pretty good understanding of wars in the Middle East given my uh my experience. I fought them and and uh how long do you think that this is going to last? Because when I look at this, I see the start of a very long protracted conflict that has no end in sight based off of the historical context of how we operate in the Middle East. How long do you think this is going to go at this point? Because we've

all seen now that Donald Trump just threw theou out, right? He said it's done. We're over. We're back to war because they're all scum. They're all scum. So, we are fullcale back to war with Iran.

I mean, we're back to day one, right? And we're we're almost five months in. Yeah. As long as as long as he's in office, it will not end.

How do you think he's making Oh, sorry, Mom. Go ahead. I don't know. I don't I think it will end while he's in office. I I just [clears throat]

He's making money off of it. Yeah, we're going to get We're going to get into financials here in a little bit for sure. [laughter]

That'll be its own section. He's also [ __ ] dying. He's dying. He doesn't give a [ __ ] He just wants to make as much money as he can.

I would say my issue with this, if we understand the real the the regional context and obviously our involvement with uh we say our greatest ally on this show so we don't get shut down, but um they have zero interest in this conflict ending, right? They they want to put they want to be the hegemonic superpower of the Middle East. And so, as we've seen, every time we're about to get to a peace deal, what happens? Our greatest ally bombs Lebanon and ends theou. Um, so until we I feel like until we can decouple ourselves from that, why would we expect this to end? Marily, for you,

is there is there a point with this war as someone who I'm assuming you're anti-war, right? Are we all anti-war on this? Oh, yes.

Panel thing. Yes. Yes. Um, I'm extremely anti-war. Not that it couldn't be a war that we need to fight as a military veteran, but needless foreign entanglements in the Middle East. Like, I'm done with that. At what point for you is there is there a break point of like, okay, I'm no longer going to support Trump or MAGA if this continues or if this escalates or are you just kind of like, well, it's we'll wait and see.

Yeah, I haven't thought about that. I have not thought about that. You know, early on I asked you that exact question and you haven't thought about it. [laughter] We talk about it every week. I was showing you and Haley those a tick tock thing where this guy was over there and saying thank you President Trump for being here you know thank you you're saving us all

I don't see that now right let's talk about that um yeah I don't understand that let me let me give you some context to to the regional demographics culturally why you're seeing this okay because you'll see this on Fox News you'll see I call them the Raza Pavlabi Iranians okay if you understand the back history context of Iran and when the Sha was overthrown and then the Ayatollah took power, right? Um you had the followers of the Sha and the royal family who were highly connected and understand the Iranian people hated the Shaw. They hated the royal family. That's why they removed him. It was incredibly

I remember that. Yes. Those people are not in Iran anymore. The people in Iran support the Ayatollah overwhelmingly. The people you see on Fox News are in downtown LA who have never been to Iran, who have no connection to Iran or their parents fled decades ago. So what you get is sort of the Pavlabi Zionisty, you know, Persians who are saying we have to overthrow the Ayatollah and bring the Sha's son back in. But that's actually not what the Iranian people overwhelmingly feel like.

And so when you see that of please bomb us, right? We see that on Fox News, the Iranians cheering that they're getting, you know, 500 pound bombs dropped on them. That's not a thing in in Iran itself,

right? So, we have to be careful with where where this is a good question. Where do where do you get the majority of your information from, would you say? I'm sure you try to

Smokey Joe. [laughter] Oh my gosh. Newsmax. But Chad got me a ground news. I have ground news. Okay, that's good. That's good. I've been spreading out a little bit. Um,

what's what's funny is though, um, when I do my Instagram, I when Bob got really sick, I wasn't on Instagram a lot, so my feed on there changed. Like, you know, there'd be butterflies and horses. There wouldn't be a lot of politics.

And then once I got back in and was hitting on some stuff politically, there was more politics showing up. M so it does matter where you get your information from.

Of course, but it's I do know that. Sorry, Haley. Go ahead. They they feed you what what they think you want to keep you engaged, to keep you angry. They want clicks, they want likes, they want shares.

It's it's all it's kind of all propaganda, you know, both sides. So, you have to really kind of like dig deep to get real news. And

there's times, too, when I get AI stuff and I think it's real. Chad's like, "Mom, come on." I mean, that can get that can get us all fair. In fairness, Maryl, that can get all of us. AI gets all of us here and there. And it's only going to get harder and harder to discern. But also, Mom, when you're talking about Newsmax, because of you, I started watch I watch probably 10 or 15 minutes of Newsmax every day now,

just to see what is going on there. good channel. Like, not only is it pure propaganda and they're just telling you straight lies, they're purposely omitting coverage of certain stories if it paints Trump in a a bad way. And also just technically like the news crawl across Newsmax is the same like five little bullet points, many times misspelled or even gibberish sometimes is just scrolling. It's like the operation itself is at such a low level of quality. I don't understand how you watch it, honestly, and think any of it is real or or newsworthy.

I like it a lot. Yeah, I like it. [laughter] That's fair. It's I I think it's good though, you know, as long as you're breaking out. You don't I'm not telling you what you got to watch and don't watch Fox or Newsacks, but like like Chad said, as long as you're breaking out and actually, hey, let me get information from outside of my echo chamber. And I do like I I I I run a show on Tuesdays and we do the broad range. We and we have a whole section that's Fox News, right? What is Fox News saying? What's independent media saying? What's MSNBC

saying? What are the Democrats saying? So we can get a holistic approach of like what's everybody saying uh on the issue. Uh a little bit more on the Iran war. Uh Marylu, what what do you think uh what does victory look like for you? Peace on both sides. Peace. Stop. Stop the killing. Peace.

I mean, we had we had peace beforehand. Yeah. We didn't There was really no reason to have done this. Do do you feel like any of you feel like uh and and my biggest gripe as a coming from my background and my resume is do you guys feel like you we were ever presented? They I feel like they didn't even try to lie to us. Were you ever presented any strategic objectives for this by the Trump administration?

Yeah, they they presented a few. There was regime change. There was getting rid of their nuclear capabilities. Uh then it was about opening the straight of Hormuz, but that only came obviously after the initial attacks. But that kind of moving goalpost of like what is the objective here? I think it means they never really had one obviously other than to initiate a war that could run through the midterms which Trump believes will somehow help his the candidates he wants in place in various locations. Um yeah, I think other than that it's like Haley was saying it's just like a big money grab. He

What about What about for you, Maryl? Do you feel like do you feel like you were given good reasons for this war when it started or like hey we need to do this for XYZ reasons?

Yeah. I thought we were going in to get rid of uh the bombs, you know. I thought we were going in to help their people.

This is important. Let's So, how do you feel about Iran having a nuclear weapon? This is very taboo, right? They can never have it. How do you personally feel about that? That's what we were told. That's what I believe. That's one reason we were going in. And Chad and Haley was like, "There was never any nuclear weapon."

So, this is why I like to talk about this is what what would Iran having a nuclear weapon mean? Do you think if they said they came out and said, "We've got it."

Do you think they could attack the they could attack the United States? They would. I don't know if they would have capability to get us all the way over here, but they could do surrounding countries probably that were our allies maybe.

So, this is a great this is and this is like this logic fallacy that that Fox News and MAGA has shoved down your throats. But I want to ask you something.

Do you what do you think would happen if Iran nuked one of the neighboring countries? What would happen to Iran if they had a nuke and they used it on let's say Israel or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait? If they actually dropped a nuclear weapon on one of those countries, what would happen to Iran after that?

I would be afraid that we would nuke them back. We would glass parking lot Iran and we would kill 91 million people. Right.

Right. Of course we would. Of course we would. So yes, does it actually Mary, let me ask you this. Does it actually rationally make sense that if Iran had a nuke, they would purposefully unal alive their entire country by dropping that nuke on an ally?

No. That doesn't logically make rationally make any sense at all, does it? No, it doesn't. So, what would what's more likely? Let me and this is a great way to look at it. Of all the countries that we invade, the countries we don't like, what's the one country we have never bombed, touched, or refused to invade, and their neighbors refuse to do the same? North Korea.

Why? Because nucle North Korea has nuclear weapons. So the United States doesn't invade North Korea. They don't bomb North Korea. South Korea, China, Japan, nobody does that. So what would be more likely if both Israel and Iran both had nuclear weapons? What would that more likely do historically, contextually for all the countries in the world that have nuclear weapons outside the United States? What it really does is it's mutually assured destruction. So what Iran having a nuke would really probably do would actually probably rationally, logically make it to where no nuclear weapons were used, right? If we just look at historically context. Does that make sense? Because

It does. You've Yeah, it does. Right. And you start going, wait a second. Okay. So, if the re So, now we know it's not really about Iran having nukes. It's not about stopping that. So, what is it really about? And I think I think Chad and Haley have dug into it. Is the money not just for the Trump administration insider trading, but also the military-industrial complex. Keep in mind, we don't have the Afghanistan Iraq war going on. Trillions and trillions of dollars. I used to I'm I'm a JTAC, so I was one of the guys that coordinates to drop the bombs from the planes. Sorry,

that you're told by Trump, right? I hope that's Usually when people hear this, they go, "Oh, oh, yeah." There's also a there's a fear factor involved,

you know, keeping keeping you scared. And that's how, you know, there's always it's an adversarial approach to to everything. It's it's either immigrants or trans people. Iran, like you're always scared of something.

Yes. And that's how they keep you locked in. The next one I want to ask and then we'll move on from Iran. Marylu, do you believe Iran is the world's state sponsor of terrorism?

Yes, I do. Can you explain why you believe that? That's what I've been told. That okay that's Smokey Joel. That's where all the bad that's where all the bad guys are.

So if I asked you this, how many Americans have been killed? You know, you know the difference between Shia and Sunni Islam, right? Maybe I don't need like highle stuff, but Iran is Shia Islam and a lot of the other areas are Sunni Islam. Uh two different sects. Do you know how many Americans have been killed in America by Shia Islamic terrorist attacks?

Marylu, no. That's Iranian or or Iran. Iranian-based terrorist attacks in the United States. The answer might shock you. You're going to say zero. Probably

zero. Not a single one. Every terrorist attack that we've had on domestic soil has been carried out by Sunni Islam backed by al-Qaeda, ISIS.

Right. Right. Saudi backed September 11th, Hamas. But they're from where do they live? Where are they from? Uh, it's Saudi Arabia, different different countries. But again, my point is Sunni Islam and Arabs are not the same as Iranian, Shia Islam and Persians.

And so if when we say things when Donald Trump says Iran is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, right, that's objectively not true. If you talk about [clears throat] ISIS, if we talk about al-Qaeda, we talk about all these that do have carried out historically hundreds of terrorist attacks, none of that comes from Iran,

none of that comes from Shia Islam. And so it not to say that it's not a problem, Marylu, right? I fought Islamic terrorism, but it's it's Sunni based and it doesn't come from Iran.

And so now we see we like break these things down. we start to go, okay, well, Iran isn't the world's state leading state spons sponsor of terror. Iran hasn't attacked the United States domestically. So, what what exactly are we doing bombing Iran if we start to break these things down? What what what are we actually doing in Iran then?

You know what I mean? Exactly. You've taught me a lot. Thank you. But anyway, I'm not trying to lecture. I'm just trying to give my, you know, as someone who really understands these things.

Yeah. Breaking down barriers to understand kind of how we're lied to and propagandized by MAGA in some ways. So tell what was this then? What was October 7th at the music festival? What was

October 7th was carried out by Hamas? And Hamas is a Sunni Islamic a Sunni. Okay. Not okay. Well, these are just things to think about, right? When when we're told things,

what does that mean? And that's why I wanted to ask you, why do you think that? And I think it's important that you understand this because I was told that, you know,

I [clears throat] was Thank you. But even like the the um assassination plot that is supposedly going on against Trump right now, that is something he's telling you. And supposedly that's based on intelligence that was given to them by Israel. Mhm.

So, you tell me. You know what I mean? So, you're not believing this? No, I'm not personally, but uh [laughter] you know, I I I assume you do.

I saw it on TV. I believed it. But I don't think that there is an assassination plot. And I don't know if uh you know who's generating the lie exactly, but somewhere in that chain from Israel to Trump, someone is lying to us about that. And

wasn't there one two against his daughter or something? Oh, I don't know about that about a month ago. Yes, there was. But also, [laughter] but but understand we if we we need to keep the American public invested in finish the job. We have to change the regime, the world's leading state sponsor of terror. And how do we keep you scared? is we say things like there's an assassination plot by Iran.

Yeah. For Trump's life. They're coming for his daughter. Right. It's it's a lot of who, right? But and now it's even made like personal through this. Now it's like they're literally coming after him. Now it's not even a war between America and Iran. Now it's a war between Donald Trump and Iran. He's got to get them before they get him. That's like the the picture being painted. It's it's just like UFC.

It's just like pro wrestling. These are all the things that WWE is what we call it here on the channel. Yeah, it is. It's And and he was in the WWE. He fought or at least did a couple of matches in the WWE is friends with the McMahon's who used to own the WWE. Like it's all this weird show. It's reality TV. He's All of it's a lie. It's all artifice.

Yeah. Okay. I think we're probably good on on the war. I think that's the hot [laughter] ticket item, you know. Uh next one. I'm kind of going down the the the things that made me really abandon. I was never a Trump supporter. I didn't vote for Trump in all three elections. Even as a Republican, I never liked him. I kind of dealt with his policies being okay in the first term. Uh but this is the next one that really uh got a lot of conservatives off the board, and that is the Epstein files. Um I don't know if you guys imagine you guys have talked

Oh, yes. quite a bit about [laughter] this on the show at length. Yes. Um, and I want to get Mary Lou's take on this. How do you feel about the Epstein files? Do you think Trump is implicated in the files?

We've talked about this. I do [laughter] no judgment, you know. I just I I think it's a good conversation, right? But I do believe that they haven't released them. Not all the files have been released. I have said I will leave MAGA if he pardons Maxwell

and lets her out. I think that's coming after the midterms. So, you know, Mary Lou, I think so, too. Oh my goodness. Well, then we'll see. Yeah.

So, so you don't think Trump is implicated in what we've seen so far out of the files? Uh, his name has been in there for flight logs, things like that. That's what I kind of read. And then Chad and Haley had me read other things. Um I don't think he's implicated. I really don't.

Okay. If if he was, why didn't the Democrats, you know, blow this wide open before? Uh well, I'll get Chad and Haley. Do you What are you guys' thoughts on why Democrats didn't release the files? From my understanding, there were still open investigations so that they legally couldn't. While

we were still abiding by laws back then. Yeah, [laughter] exactly. They were still trying to um, you know, contribute to the illusion that the White House doesn't completely control the Department of Justice and tell them exactly what to do, that they were still an independent body who could investigate uh crimes and whatever as they [snorts] saw fit. Um, but yeah, in retrospect, it's like there are a bunch of weird missteps that have kind of happened, I feel like, throughout the past 10 years by the Democratic Party in service of maintaining whatever the perceived norms of American political discourse are.

Um, and it just, you know, starting with James Comey releasing the email stuff about Hillary Clinton and all that. Not that I'm a fan of the Clintons or anything, but um,

Anthony Weiner, [laughter] Podesta. Anyway, I don't know if Anthony Weiner is a part of it. He got in trouble for sexing like inappropriate uh conduct with I think

he had some weird weird file on there too that was uh for insurance. It said I remember reading about that. I don't know about that.

You know what I'm talking about? I don't. The pizza gate and all that. Pizza gate. Yeah. Uh Mary Lou, why do you think Democrats refuse to release the files? because they have friends in there.

Okay, that's yeah, we're off to a good start, right? So, let me let me pitch this to you guys, right? As a possibility of why both parties of government potentially did not want these released. So, what we know is that regardless of who we think is involved outside of Trump, it doesn't matter Clinton. Let's let's take all that aside. What we do know from the files is that the American intel apparatuses were running a child sex trafficking ring designed to implicate and put foreign dignitaries, politicians in precarious situations so that we could gather uh blackmail on them to potentially hopefully control things like through

the elite apparatus to your point Mary Lou they're all in there both right and left. And so for us to say well Trump's exonerated because

and and to Chad and Haley's point you're also right there was an active investigation and they were not allowed to release them legally. But for us to just say Trump is exonerated because Democrats didn't release the files, I kind of look at it as one one big club, right? Totally that we're not in.

And so I don't think they want accountability. They don't want accountability for any of this for any of them. But here's what I'll say

for you, Mary Lou. Let's say Donald Trump, first of all, I' I've deep dived the the files, right? have done ton of coverage of this like document by document he's very implicated I'll tell you that but even if he wasn't we can just look at all of his friends if Mary if I told you that for 15 years all of my best friends were pedophiles but then I told you I knew nothing about it and I promise I'm not what would you think about me

that's a lie you know what you would probably think you are right right that that was a lie Right? Because you're kind of the company you keep, right? The idea that you were best friends with all of these people who were involved in this for 10, 15 years,

but you had no idea. Do you think that actually logically makes sense? No. I've always told Chad Haley, too. I believe that there were people higher higher up

like not just people in the United States people in foreign countries higher higher up for sure that were putting pressure on people here to say don't you dare say anything and then Chad was saying oh so someone putting pressure on Trump to say don't say anything huh is that the kind of president you want that's what Chad used to say to me yeah

so do you think Donald Trump is implicated then if if what he's saying is you're the company you deep. How do you feel about Donald Trump knowing that all of his sleeves bag friends are in those files?

X. Another X. Mom, even beyond that, you have We've talked on our show about Trump is lying about certain things in the files, dates when like, oh, I cut ties with Jeffrey Epstein by this date and kicked him out of Mara Lago.

And then the new things come out and it's like, no, here's an email that they sent to each other two years after Trump said they cut ties. Here's, you know, that picture of the check that Trump gave Epste or Epstein gave Trump that said for a fully depreciated woman, all that [ __ ] Um, you have on record Trump lying about these things in the Epstein files. Why would he be doing that if there's nothing in there to implicate him?

Yes, I know. I hear you. I see you. One. [laughter] Yeah, I know. I'm just Thank you. And I think, Marylu, I think it's important because I think if you take Trump out of the equation and we just have a blank silhouette person and we talked about these same things,

you would you would never be like, I support this person. Let's say take the that it's a blank silhouette. It's not Trump. Okay. So, he's potentially got a bunch of buddies that are all implicated in a giant child sex trafficking ring. I got to imagine you'd be like, I don't want anything to do with this person.

No. And and another advant uh uh example of this is do you know how many times Donald Trump has been accused of sexual assault and the rword?

Chad and Haley tell me all the time but I forget the number for formally 28 times. Marylu if if I told you before you came on this podcast or if Chad told you hey we're going on a show Nate from Ball of BFT but just so you know he's been accused of sexual assault and rape 28 times. Would you come on my show?

Of course not. So, no. So, so why is it different when it's Donald Trump and not everyone else? Was that like in federal court, civil court?

This is Does it matter? This is Hang on. This is Nate. Just to let you know, this is one of her kind of fallback arguments. It's well, that was just the Eugene Carol thing was a civil trial, so it doesn't matter. And Biden and Obama are around the corner. I just feel it. When are we bringing them up?

Yeah. I don't mean just Eugene Carol. I just mean in his lifetime. Yeah. As a grown man, he has been accused by 28 different women for SA and R. Okay.

And there's like sound bites of him saying like the most [ __ ] about women. Chad always brings that up. Yes. We have to hear that [clears throat] all the time about grab them by the you know what. Yes. He I'm not [laughter] saying he said that.

You bring it up all the time. One of my very close friends that was a guest one time on our podcast and MAGA, he threw that right at her right on the first line. What do you think about

because for me it's the first hurdle. It's the first moment that a MAGA supporter had to disengage with reality. when that tape came out as the October surprise before the 2016 election.

I remember sitting in your living room and it was uh I think the week after that had come out or while it was happening for whatever reason I was visiting you guys and I was like this is crazy. He's over like there's no way he can win the election and you [ __ ] straightfaced me and said

that's just locker room. You not even [laughter] back the This is great though, Chad and Haley. And this takes me into where I want to go. Okay, cuz

friend of the show, actual friend of mine, Graham Platner, uh, as we know, just dropped out of the race because he was Well, how regardless of how we feel about this, we think it's credable, right? One,

he's your friend. Yes. One, well, I mean, I know him and and he call us pseudo friends, right? Not like close friends like we live together, but pseudo friends, right? He's he's been on my show. Um,

this was obviously all before this, but again, let's not worry about the credibility. I don't think we know enough about this yet, the credibility. I don't We could actually talk a little bit about how you how we all feel about that. But Mary, when you hear did you know about this with Graham? He's got a running for Senate in Maine, had a sexual assault allegation come out against him

and he's dropping out of the race. One one allegation and he has decided to drop out of the race. What do you What do you think about that? Do you think that's the right thing for him to do?

Yeah. I don't know. I I hear what you're saying and you're weighing on the other side of the 32 allegations. Right. So then you would want

Well, I'm just I'm just saying. Right. This is someone who a Democrat who said I have one allegation I am dropping out. Trump has 20 Trump has 28.

Don't you think 28 times that would be a disqualifier? If it is a qu if it's a disqualifier for someone like Graham Platner,

they're all true. Yeah. It's a difference in party. Like the Democratic party does this quite a bit. If somebody has a credible allegation against them, they push that person out of the party. They say, "Drop out of race if you're in it, whatever."

They don't really tolerate that [ __ ] Um, and they tolerated a little bit with Graham Platner for like a week or two because they were like, "We need him to win this race. Can we get by with this?" And then it got to a point where they couldn't and they pushed him out. The Republican party supports all kinds of people who have credible sexual assault.

I mean, [ __ ] Brett Kavanaaugh when he was getting confirmed as a Supreme Court justice. They had a whole conversation about it.

Very credible allegations. Didn't matter. [ __ ] it. Put him in. He Seth Trump obviously. Uh who who was backing him though just recently? Wasn't it Bernie Sanders? And u

No, Bernie Sanders told him to drop out. Yeah. a after the allegations came out. Elizabeth Warren, Pocahontas. But that to me is like it it's the the least we can [ __ ] expect from our elected officials is that there's not anybody out there saying they sexually assaulted them.

Right. And and we had Sorry, I was going to say there there's a running joke and and we even said this is if Graham was running as a Republican, he would have got a five-point bump in the polls after those allegations came out.

Yeah. They would have rallied around. It's a it's a joke, right? It's a joke. But but it's true. It's true. They would have rallied around him. They would have tried to discredit this woman who is uh making the accusation and he would have probably won.

It's a difference in party. Yeah. They went after Eugene and Carol. Yeah. Went after her. Well, she couldn't even remember the dress she had on and all that. Remember the dress?

But but Maryl, that case just went before the Supreme Court. And what did the Supreme Court decide in her favor? Mhm. And that is a that is a conservative majority Supreme Court who ruled in her favor. Right.

Right. So, not even a political thing here because they have a conservative majority and they still said, "Sorry, we're not taking this case because well, I think we can infer why the Supreme Court said no thank you."

Yeah. To the case. But anyway, I think Sorry, Chad. Go ahead. I was just going to say it's it's beyond conservative. Three of those justices were put there by Trump. Literally by him.

Yep. That's correct. And they said, "No, you got to pay her." And and this is where I'm kind of going with this, Mary Lou. And again, I start like I'm not judging you at all, Mary Lou, because I came from we came from the same spot, right? Like far-right Republican. Like my entire my entire life, uh I was uh far.

Is that why you joined the military? Well, my dad's a my dad's also a Green Beret, but yes, very far-right conservative Republican family as well. Right. So,

uh my point is is like I have I started way over here and I've done this, right? Wow. Just over time. And and the reason why I bring this up is I think it's important for us and that's why I said think about a silhouette instead of Donald Trump. I don't think that I think if it was anyone other than Trump, you wouldn't support any of this. And so it's like, what is it about this guy that makes you go, I'm going to sort of, and I'm not judging you here, abandon my ideologies, morals, and beliefs to support this guy because it's it's kind of it's like I

I feel like our family, all of us are very loyal people. Okay. We if we say something, we will do it. I voted for him for my president. I feel loyal. I think it's loyalty that I feel.

But when given like when you're given new information, why can't you take that in and then make an educated decision? Like you've been given all this information now about this guy you voted for. It's okay to change your mind. You don't have to be loyal.

And he's been I've been listening to all of you, Chad. That's where I was going to go. Yeah. Yeah. He's He's made so many promises to his voters. That $2,000 check that you still don't have. Never go to war with Iran. Not in the Epstein files. We're going to release them all. Full transparency. They release half of them.

All the [ __ ] with Doge. Like everything that he has done that is a just straight lie to your face that he promised you he wouldn't do or would do and and didn't do or did do or whatever. that loyalty that you're giving him is not repaid in any capacity by him. So why would you remain loyal to somebody who betrays you and lies to you on a daily basis?

I do feel he did close the border. That was the very first thing he said he was going to do. This is I like this is this is great, Mary, because this will we're going to talk about this. This is going to

close the border. That's all. This is going to take us It's going to take us into the next [laughter] things he said he would do.

You guys are great about this. You got like this natural transition into all my next topics this entire time. [laughter] Okay. Uh we are going to talk about that, right? That's going to be the next one is the border, ICE, the cartels. I think that's

this is another good one to talk about. This might be one I actually am going to move a little bit to to your side, but maybe not at the same time. Marylu, let's talk about the [snorts] border. Let's talk about ICE. Uh this has been very divisive. um this year. So I do agree with you uh Mary that the one thing I think Donald Trump has done well is closing the border. Now I'm not talking about ICE. I'm not talking about that. I mean just specifically the border itself. I think I don't know how you guys feel Chad and Haley I'll get your take on this. I think this was one

Mom, you wanna you want to take this first? I do believe it's much better and it is closed and they have to, you know, show proof coming over. I go back to like my grandmother coming through Ellis Island. She was an immigrant and her family of like nine children and then the parents, they had to come through at a certain point in Ellis Island, put their name down, say where they were going to go to be farmers in what county, in what state.

What about you, Chad and Haley? [snorts] You want to go? Um, I I mean there are just bad people everywhere. There's good people everywhere. You know, uh, women are killed by their spouses in America every [ __ ] day. So to sit here and act like um, immigrants are coming in and murdering all of us is just simply um, despicable. If I'm being honest, I don't know that I believe in borders. I think you should be able to freely go wherever the [ __ ] you want. Um, I'm actually just disgusted that that it has come to this that they're building walls and [ __ ]

you know, we're sitting here acting like immigrants are the problem. Yeah, I agree 100%. I think the idea that the immigrant or the other is kind of the boogeyman is just another thing Trump uses to keep you scared. Uh, personally, I I agree with Haley. I don't think we should have borders. I don't even think we should have countries. I'm against the entire idea of uh separating human populations by any kind of delineator.

Would you I know that's an extreme view. [laughter] No, no. I mean, no. I mean, you can I'm This is the great part about the conversations is is talking about this. We're not going to agree on everything. Uh I think for me I don't have necessarily the biggest problem with that but what we ha what we do know is that you can be an open border country or you can be a welfare state country but you really can't be both so at some point the you know can we let in everybody right America I'd like to say we're the greatest country on earth

America while at the same time letting in everyone? Do we have that though? Most of the stuff that I would consider like to be kind of free services that Americans get. Certainly not healthare.

I'm not suggesting that what you hear on Fox News that illegal immigrants are are taking all the welfare and receiving it. That's objectively not true. I'm talking about American citizens in general. We do have a substantial welfare state. And I personally have no problem with it. I have no problem with my tax dollars going to support people that are that are not as well off as I am. 100% support that food stamps, everything, section 8, all these things. I support all these things. But I would say at some point

if you let everyone in as a citizen and you also keep that same system, [clears throat] you are going to overwhelm that system at some point.

I agree with you on that. Yes, that kind of goes back to what I was saying in the very beginning. I am fully for a society that does not have money. I think like a society where everybody just gets needs met because we do have the resources to do it and we don't have billionaires anymore. We don't have or trillionaires. Sorry, I completely forgot we're living in a a world that now has a [ __ ] trillionaire.

Jesus. Yeah. Um, so you're a socialist beyond me. Yeah, I think she's talking to me. I think all of you. I'm a socialist, Mary. I'm agreeing with you here. [laughter]

Okay. I'm a socialist on the attack. Yeah. I I'm I'm beyond a socialist. I want to live in like a, you know, Star Trek kind of utopia where technology is only built to make our lives better and give us the things that we need. It is not built for profit of a handful of people who are controlling everything we see and hear.

Yeah. Okay. I'm not as kumbaya as that [ __ ] but [laughter] I was I was I would certainly take that over obviously what is happening now. But yeah, I'm definitely a socialist. Um, I mean, [ __ ] like watching mom Donnie like work his magic. Everybody's living in mom Donnie land.

Let's wait. Mundan's mom Donnie is a specific topic. Yeah, I hit that last. All right. All right. Uh, okay. So, but that takes us to the the next point. I believe in strong borders like you do, Mary Lou. That's my opinion. Um, however, let's get into the next echelon up of what's going on with the immigration policy, which is which is ICE. What we've been seeing with ICE, how do you feel about what you've been seeing with ICE over the last year, the Renee Good situation, the Alex Prey situation? Uh, Mary Lou, how how do you feel about ICE?

And they just in murdered another man like three days ago. There's been a lot. Yeah, that's I saw that in the beginning. In the beginning, I thought it was good, but then it's just got out of control and it's not good anymore at all.

And you what the thing that happened with this other dude that they just killed, he was uh a dad. At least from the stuff that I've read, he wasn't even the guy they were looking for. And then the ICE agents say, "Oh, he weaponized his vehicle. He was driving his vehicle at us." There's now video that's come out that completely disproves that. So they that uh line of logic that all these ICE officers and cops now are using it too that it's like oh we shot them in their car because they were about to [ __ ] run us over. That's just what they say now.

Mhm. And it's it's basically been proven false in all cases in the Alex Prey and Renee Good cases. No one has been arrested. Nobody's even been investigated in those shootings because you've got the FBI run by Cash Patel who would be launching that investigation and they're just not going to do it. They've got better things to do obviously. So the entire system now has been deconstructed by Trump so that he's got his cronies in every major position who would be responsible for investigating any of these things. And he supports ICE doing this

and it's just going to keep happening again and again and again and again and again. And do you like does that make you feel safer that they shot Renee Good in the face?

No. Like I said when it first started I thought okay this might be good. This will be okay. It's totally out of hand and I don't like it at all. But you support ICE. We we talked about this for both Renee Good and Alex Prey. And this Sunday, I'm sure we're going to talk about this this one that happened this week. Um you in each of those cases supported ICE's claims that they were driving their cars at them or in Alex Py's case that he pulled a gun on them, which clearly did not happen. We we watched I've debunked that very hard.

You watch though the Renee the Renee one and get out of the car. Why didn't she get out of the car? That's all she

But hold on, Mary Lou. Uhhuh. Are you required to get out of the car in that situation? And if you don't, you're eligible to be shot in the face.

No. Is that is that America that you want to live in? If a cop even is talking to you and you decide, hey, I'm going to drive off. Does that warrant being shot in the face in a neighborhood?

No. But I even if she's breaking the law, right? I watched that clip over and over and over and over. I swear it looked like I thought the car went toward him,

but I could be wrong. However, but she didn't deserve to die. No one deserves to die like that, right? And so for me, my biggest problem with ICE is someone comes from an extensive background of training, firearms training, all these things. I train, just so you know, in my personal job, I train law enforcement departments, sheriff departments, SWAT teams. very intimately familiar with the correct ways to do things. I'll tell you both Renee Good and Alex Freddy were absolutely murderers both of them.

But that money too, like this, it's all part of the same thing for Trump to be making more money. Like his kids are getting government contracts for like drone companies and [ __ ] They don't [ __ ] build drones. Trump is telling them, "Start a drone company. We've got a contract coming down. I'll give it to you." The same is true of ICE. All the different gear and stuff that they use, the training facilities, who's building like Cop City, all this kind of [ __ ] Those are Trump's buddies and cronies.

So, with that, Mary, I'd ask you this. In the current state, do you support mass deportations out of the country for illegal immigrants?

Not in the current state. I I if if Oh gosh, I don't even know how to say this. I believe however you feel is fine. I'm just

I believe to be here you should be a citizen. So, you know, deport deport everyone who's an illegal immigrant. Would you be in favor of that if you could snap your fingers? kind of

okay if they haven't got their paperwork in, get it in, become a citizen, take the pledge, all of that [ __ ] takes time. I think you don't you don't understand like the the process of becoming a citizen.

It takes a lot of time, money, effort. Some people wait years to become citizens and they are going through the correct avenues and they're getting arrested when they go in to file their paperwork.

I know. And I know you and Chad, I've told you this story. I've helped some immigrants. I've helped some of these people. Um I have friends. They're my friends. So

Okay. And they're good people and they're here working. Well, that's most immigrants. Yes. Yes. So, so that's my point. Marylu, do you think the country would be a better place if you could snap your fingers and and remove all of those people?

Probably not, but I would like I would like everyone to be a citizen. I [snorts] understand that, but that's not the situation we're in, right? We're we're living in the the land of reality. Um,

so we understand. How do you feel about the fact that Donald Trump has ended all of his deportation policies? That's something you were promised. Now again, we we may agree with this now, but for you as someone who was promised this by Donald Trump, and so you understand Donald Trump has gone back to Joe Biden's e-migration policy, his deportation policies, which is that they will not deport anyone now unless they are actually arrested or in prison with a criminal record, which I don't think is a terrible thing. But

right, do you feel betrayed as MAGA that Donald Trump has that's another thing you were lied to about because you're not there will be no mass deportations. We've deported about 270,000 people.

It's not going to happen. Trump has already told his Republican base and politicians, "Shut your mouths about deportations and immigration. I don't want to talk about it because it's so politically unpopular."

Right. How do How do you feel about Donald Trump now saying we're not doing deportations? Yeah, that is a that's an X and a Y. You are right

because that was in the beginning. That's what it was supposed to be. That's an X. It's an X. It's another X. We got a triple X.

Got way more than triple. You probably got about [laughter] 10 or 12 X's at this point. Mom, against Trump for me, especially southern border wise. is if we really look at it, if we look at actually Hispanics in the United States culturally, religion, family values, all of these things actually line up with conservatism a lot more than other immigrants. So, it's interesting to me that MAGA is so anti-Hispanic immigrant when the overwhelming majority of Hispanic immigrants are here hardworking, no criminal records, family values, uh, very religious, Catholicism, all these things that you would think um, you would think are bettering America society.

Well, I wonder why it is. What do you think is the one thing? Yeah. What would What would be the thing? E, it's racism.

Yeah, it was those 400 uh [ __ ] neo-Nazis marching in Washington is what it was, which the White House still has not condemned. Hasn't said a [ __ ] word about literally an army of neo-Nazis.

Yeah. In DC on 4th of July. That's America now. But this is an important question, Mary Lou, because you told me if you could snap your fingers and get rid of all these 22 million people estimated, even though the overwhelming majority of them are positive contributors to society, we know that. I mean, you can go down to, you know, your local food truck or, you know, not saying I'm trying to be racist with where people work. I'm just saying for illegal immigrants. I live in a very rural ranching farming community. And do you think any of these ranches and farms would be able to do what they're doing

I do understand we would fold and there would be no American economy. We would be done, right? because these people do actually contribute substantially to American society whether we like that or not. But and again, I just think it's kind of interesting that that MAGA is so anti-Hispanic immigration when there is such compatible values between, you know, conservatism and and you know, Hispanics typically. So,

I'm against criminals. I'm against the bad guys. Mom, you also on our show have talked about you always bring up this example of somebody drove a truck down the wrong way of a street or something because they couldn't read English. That's a big thing for you and that is racist.

That is racist 100%. That's not racist. Yes, it is. That's That's a person that can't read English, going down the wrong way, driving a truck that shouldn't have got a license issued to

That also did not happen. And kills a family of four on the highway. That's not real. Yeah, I don't I couldn't find this anywhere, but send me the link.

I will. [laughter] Okay. But I'm just saying for you, it's it's not just about um all these things you're claiming. There is an element of racism

that underpins all of this. For most of MAGA, yeah, Project 2025 is all about making this a white Christian nationalist nation. Like, that's what it's about. They don't want people of color here. They don't want other religions. What makes America great is multiculturalism. What makes this country great is, you know, the music, the food, the culture, the clothes, like all of the [ __ ] that we consume, everything that we love. It is multicultural.

I know. He's like [laughter] a slimy [ __ ] He's like I can't even look at it. He's like a Scooby-Doo villain. He is. He's the guy who take the the mask off.

Yeah. How do But but again, Marylu, we're not seeing an attempt to remove the criminals. In fact, we're seeing the opposite of that. Like how how how many uh how many viral videos have you seen of ICE going into gangridden areas in Memphis or Houston?

Have you seen any of that in in Republican states in Republican cities? Have you seen any of that? No, but we've seen them arresting parents and their [ __ ] children at schools

at a high school graduation. I saw that. And it gets worse than that. Mary, let me ask you that. Recently, ICE really pissed a lot of people off. At a recent Marine Corps graduation, I believe in Paris Island. ICE showed up and was arresting the parents of Marines who were graduating that were illegal immigrants at a Marine Corps graduation. How do you feel about that?

Terrible. Not right. Yeah, but I mean that's [laughter] not right. X X but I mean these things are happening, right? And and where are they being ordered to happen by the Trump administration, right?

A hundred billion dollar. Yeah. So, yeah, ISIS is out of control. Needs to be It's not good. I is out of control. That's good. All right. Good. So, we kind of all in agreement a little bit on this one of, you know, at least with ICE, this is

there's not there's nothing beneficial of it at the moment. All right, let's move into Trump's family financials. Uh, I did a big expose on this recently. We actually got Trump's financials. I'm sure you guys have covered this on your show recently. Um, we have now found out how much money that he and his family have made through crypto ventures and and some things like that. Uh, how how do we feel overall about uh Trump's financials? I'm sure you guys have really probably drilled this one in about

he became Yeah, he became a billionaire in office. We've kind of learned that maybe he was broke before he ran for president or at least owed a shitload of money to various banks around the world who also seemed to be

potentially doing corrupt [ __ ] At least the banks that gave him his loans. And now he's leveraging the presidency to get gifts from other countries to make massive amounts of money through his crypto money laundering scheme. We talked about this. UAE gave him I think $2 billion and then he gave him some AI microchips. gave him the money through his his NFTts or through his cryptocoin.

Sorry, I think this is Yeah. No, I think this is a really interesting conversation because this was a big criticism of from MAGA uh during the Biden administration of Hunter.

Hunter made what about $250,000 off of his paintings uh that we learned of paintings? Yes. Right. About 250. And I'm sure Mary Lou that you thought that was terrible, right?

Absolutely. [clears throat] 100. Okay. Right. 200 about 250 grand. He made about a million dollars off of his uh advisory role in Bereisma in Ukraine. So let's say one $1.25 million that he made through let's say corruption through his dad, right? Let's just whether we agree with that or not. About $1.25 million.

Sure. We now know Donald Trump himself made $1.2 billion off of his crypto schemes. Baron Trump has made $150 million off of trading crypto and oil futures. And the Trump family has made $2.2 billion just in his second term. So, Marylu, don't you think as someone who was mad about Hunter Biden making 1.25 million that the Trump family making

I mean, what is that 2000 2,000x that? Do do you think that there should be some accountability or what's your feelings on that now that we were upset about Biden's family doing it? But

yes, how do we feel about the Trump family doing this? Maybe he was just a better businessman. I knew you were going [laughter] to say it. I knew it every time we bring this up. Well, he's a good businessman,

but but he made it off of a crypto scam because and I did I did a full episode on this. Not it's not just that the Trump family made $2.2 billion off the crypto scheme. His followers and supporters lost $2.3 billion on that crypto scheme.

Wow. Right. So, right. This isn't a zero sum game where it's like he's a great businessman. He made money off of selling phones. No, he ran a crypto scam where he rugpulled his own supporters off of he fleeced his own supporters off of $2.3 billion.

And that's how cults work. Yeah. You have a cult leader at the very top who says, "Give me all your [ __ ] money." And then the followers do it because they've been brainwashed to believe. [laughter]

Yeah. Businessman. Exactly. But even he's a good businessman. Hang on, Mom. Um, to Nate's point, if you're saying that Trump and his family is a good in quotes, businessman, as you say, wouldn't Hunter Biden just be a good businessman as well? Why be mad at him for that?

Because the way uh when they first presented it, how the money trickled down. Okay. Okay. But but Mary Lou, [laughter] here's the thing.

Problem. Here's the thing. you what you're doing is you're fighting your own logic and rationale. You know, we're sitting [clears throat] here and I can see by the grin on your face that you know that this is wrong, but you don't want to say it because it's the Trump family. And this this brings me back to where I was early. If this wasn't Donald Trump,

let's let me let me give you a hypothetical. Let's reverse it. If Joe Biden had fleeced America off of $2.3 billion and Hunter Biden had made $150 million off of insider trading, crypto, and oil futures, would Wouldn't you call for impeachment? Wouldn't you say this is the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States? If it was Joe Biden doing that,

I would say I would say both are wrong. It does. Yeah. Doesn't matter whether it's $10 or 10 million. If they fleeced America, they fleeced us. And they're both wrong.

Trump gave an interview where he literally said out loud, "No matter what my kids are doing, if they want to buy a truck or invest or whatever, they're using insider information." He literally said that in a [ __ ] televised interview.

They're not even holding back at this point. It doesn't even They just don't It's all out in the open. And you are still sitting here like, "That's another ex." But you're not willing to [ __ ] take the hat off and walk away.

I'm getting close. Leave me alone. Quit pushing. [laughter] The more you push, the more I go the other direction. Quit push [snorts] pushing me. Y'all are pushing me. You get the this man on one betrayal too many. He's been talking with me. Quit pushing.

All right. I'm not pushing you, Mary Lou. I'm just again and the reason why I'm asking you these questions is this is things I realized over time, right? I wasn't someone again to my point, I wasn't one I wasn't someone that started far left that doesn't like Trump and and was aware of all these things. I'm someone who step by step went,

"Okay, this is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong." And then I hit a break point where I said, "I'm done with this." Right?

You're giving me good information. I appreciate it. But what I I think is I I really want for you Maryly with this leaving this conversation with me and someone who is a conservative, who has left the rep Republican party, who has denounced Donald Trump, who has denounced all these things is that you can see as a, you know, Republican or conservative. You don't have to be MAGA. You can keep all your own values and say these things are wrong. I'm not going to support this. And I think it's it's important to have accountability for your own party. And I think the Democrats do this much better than the

living proof. I did it of that. I did it. I was a Swifty. I was a diehard Swifty. [laughter] What? How about that? I did it.

I would not I would not have guessed that. Yeah, I [ __ ] loved Taylor Swift. Um but as we know now, she's a billionaire and there are no good billionaires. So, I'm over that. But yeah, it's okay to say you're wrong. It's okay to think something else. And you you and dad have always been like uh you you said in the beginning of this like we're loyal.

We're loyal. You don't [ __ ] have to be, right? You don't have to be. You don't owe politicians anything. What? Yeah. For me, with every politician on a ranking of one to 10, you start at a zero

and you got to earn your way up. There is no you start at a 10 and now I'm loyal to you. Right. To Haley's point, like

they he Donald Trump works for the people. Like he works for us. You know, you don't owe him anything. You don't know. And and that goes for the Democrats, too. You don't know Chuck Schumer or, you know, Mitch McConnell. Like, we don't owe these people anything. They work for us.

And so, if they're not doing for what's best for the American people, we should be able to stand up and say, "No, I don't care if you're a Republican. This is wrong." You know, um, anything else on that before we move to the the next the next topic?

I just want to let you know I have about 10 minutes and I got to jump. This is my this is my last topic. Okay. Um, no. I did want to throw one more thing on that. Throw my hat into the ring. I used to be a hardcore atheist. I am no longer

Oh, me too. Me, too. Really? Yeah. I I have completely changed my view on what fundamental reality potentially is or at least accepted that we don't really [ __ ] know. And there's some weird [ __ ] happening that science cannot explain. And I don't know what that means. that they're spirits or a god or the universe, you know, whatever. But I I would say that like that is a a deeply held view that I had for most of my life.

Yeah. That I was able to change given new evidence astral projection that makes my heart very happy. Right. So I'm just saying it's possible to do and not lose your kind of core sense of self or whatever identity you perceive your yourself to have. You can change these attitudes and positions on certain things in the world and still be you. I hear all three of you and I like Nate and he gave me some good things to think about.

Okay. So, thank you. Also want to say thank you to our audiences. We almost 10,000 people in here between the two of us live stream. So,

so thank you all the viewers. Hi everybody on both sides. Uh big show. All right, last one I want to talk about because

there's two big scare tactics in the United States. Uh and if you watch my channel, I'm a very anti-racism. It's not left verse right. It's not Christian verse Muslim. It's not black verse white. I don't subscribe to any of these things. But the big push out of MAGA is two things. Islamophobia, socialism, right? These are the two communism, right? Or it's communism. Sorry, Donald Trump. You're noticing

and they've come up recently and there's one person that sort of spurred the new blast back into Islamophobia and the fear of communism. That is Zora Mani. Oh man, I know Magga really is terrified of of Zoron. What's our what's our feelings about uh Mandani for for

I [ __ ] love him. I do too. I love him. I love him. Now, when he was running, Mom, you said on our podcast, this is one of the quotes you said that will I will never get out of my head. You said, "If that man is elected as mayor of New York, New York City will fall."

And I was like, "What does that even mean?" And you just kept saying, And now you've seen like you've seen all the photos of him like jumping in the pool with his suit on. Like everybody's having a [laughter] [ __ ] chill time in New York.

Or Donald Trump loving him by the way. Yeah. When he went to the White House and Trump was like like googly eyed. He's the Rizzler. Yeah.

Mom, Donnie, anybody that has money is not going to stay in New York because he's going to take all their money away. Good. Mary Lou, I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up because we're going to talk about data and statistics, right? because it's important. If there's fear tactics of telling you what might happen, everybody's going to leave. All the developers are gone. They're going to destroy the city.

What we do know has happened is economically that has not happened. Basically, no one has left New York. None of the businesses have left. And not only that, there's been an actual influx back into New York. Wow.

From businesses. We also know another one. It's going to get dangerous, right, Marylu? Crime [clears throat] is going to take down. Did you know that right now under Mandani and this is you can Google this chat chat GPT it's not my opinion it's data that New York is at the lowest crime rates since before Rudy Giuliani right now under Zoron Mdani

did not know that wow historic historic low levels of crime under since Zoron Mani has taken office. Wow. So so where's that fall?

Yep. Something to think about that. He's for the people. This is this is a politician. This is a politician that is actually for the people.

He's doing real good. You you can fact check me. You can Google this. You can you can fact check me. But I but I can promise you if you type into chat GPT what are the crime rates in New York? It will tell you.

Okay. New York is at historically low crime rates right now. So I think this is important, right? Because of scare tactics. Chad talked about that scare tactics, right? And this is it's a divisive scare tactic, right? It's we're kind of going back to the post 911 um scare tactics of Islam. Scary Islam,

which I'm not a I'm not a big proponent of because I lived in Islamic countries. Uh you know, I went to war as a Green Beret. I don't know if you guys know how we actually operate. It's very very different than everyone else in the military. We actually work on small 12-man teams and what we do is train advise equipped a foreign nations army and then we actually lead them into combat. So it's just 12 US soldiers with 70 80 Afghans or Iraqis. So we live with uh these people and so I lived with Muslims and I fought the war alongside Muslims and they risked their lives for

Yes, it does. Wow. M I'm telling you, we just need to get more guests. Like when Chad and I tell you this [ __ ] it's just like out the other. But somebody else tells it to you, you're like, "Yes, I'm going to [laughter] think about that."

I really like you. Well, god damn. You just don't [clears throat] listen to us basically is what we're learning now. Yeah. [laughter] Yes. Could be.

I like Well, you're her you're her kids, too, right? So, exactly. Right. That disqualifies anything we say immediately. Yeah. What's uh for for you, Chad and Haley?

Now, we're seeing this and I and I know there's going to be Republicans in my audience and conservatives who get super mad about me saying this, but the reality is is that we are seeing massive success with Zoron and his policies in New York. Do you think as Democrats that is going to or you're not Democrats, sorry, but you lean lean uh liberal. Um do you think that is going to be the new sort of push forward? We're kind of seeing this. Is that going to be what actually takes hold and starts to become successful for progressives in elections going forward? I think it is. I think

this is But you do see this establishment Democrats fighting this tooth and nail 100% as well. They also hate Zoron. They also hate

Yeah. Uh what's happening here? How are they going to keep doing all their insider trading? Exactly. If this is the new face of the Democratic party, I I really think like

Bernie Sanders kind of kicked this off. AOC kept it going and now Zoron is like kind of the face of it at least as as a you know local politician. But we saw a bunch of primaries where people who were like of that ilk were beating out some incumbents and you know people who were more like centrists. I think this is what the new Democratic party is going to be at least in this next election.

Uh Marylu, how do you feel about that about democratic socialism taking over throughout throughout America? If there is some socialism that I do like. I think everybody should have healthc care in the United States. Everybody deserves healthcare in the United States.

Okay. And my friend Mr. [ __ ] brought that up to my attention. That was another guest that we were on. And on

Yeah, we he had us on that big hat right back there. Where is it? Right back there. The big red hat to my husband that my husband loves.

Did you Did you like us on Maru? I kind of did. Yes, kind of. They [ __ ] loved him. Yeah. Love him. And it was another scenario. It was like, oh, I'm gonna think about that. But we say the same [ __ ] like two weeks prior. No. Yeah.

I like Nate too. Now I've got two guys. I like Nate and even as Here's the way I look at this, right? And I like that you said that, Mary Lou, because even as a conservative, I'm I'm a big proponent and fan of universal healthcare, universal education. These are socialist things.

Yeah. And the reason why I'm a big proponent of these is looking at what we spend our tax dollars on. And for me, instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars bombing brown people, hundreds of billions of dollars trying to deport brown people, right, I would rather my own tax dollars. And that's why I actually kind of like Chad's idea of choosing where your tax dollars go. I'd prefer my tax dollars went to socialist programs that help Americans.

And so I think that's that that brings me in the last thing we'll talk about is sort of the the populism push, right? you actually have a big push in the we call it the America first conservative space the Thomas Massie conservatives right I guess you could say

and you kind of have this it's almost like a U-shape where you have uh people who've left MAGA who are America first we call it America first conservatives Mary Lou if you're ever interested in coming on board uh we have it's kind of the populism side of conservatives who've are done with MAGA and then you also have the the progressive left right? Which is also the populism Bernie Sanders AOC side.

You know, the government, all these things. I think uh I think we got to get outside of that and get away from that and actually start putting our tax dollars. Wouldn't you wouldn't you prefer, Mary Lou, that our tax dollars go to universal healthcare rather than bombing Iranians?

Of course, right? Or ICE. Bombing is never good. Yes. Or the the peeling up pool in DC. All the vanity projects. The reason I ask you that, Mary Lou, is your your the way you've identified yourself as a MAGRO Republican, ideologically, your base doesn't agree with those things.

I know. So, and I think that you'd actually disagree with a lot of what MAGA thinks just from talking to you. So, you're ready to go to mom Donny's Disneyland. [laughter]

You're ready. You know what I mean? Give me that universal health care tax [laughter] the rich. You're ready. No, but it's good to see, right? Because it's good to see I think just Americans in general, all of us kind of whether we find our way, you know, through conservative America firsting and populism or progressive left populism. I think it's a positive movement for Americans rather than, you know, I call it blue MAGA, red MAGA. That's that's kind of what I look at. you know, establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats, the uni party, I guess we could call it at this point that uh

as long as we're getting away from that, I think we're we're going in a decent direction. And that's that's going to wrap it up for for what I had to because I knew you guys had a short amount of time.

Yeah. And we do have super chats if if I know Chad has to get out of here if you guys want to stick around. I can get out too.

Oh, you do? Okay. I can I can handle them. Uh yeah, this has been this has been awesome. Again, a huge show. We have almost 10,000 people in here. So,

wild. Yeah, man. This was an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for having us on and uh you've taught me a lot. Thank you for getting my mom to seemingly inch a little closer.

You've given me a lot of information. Again, again, when we have more I would love to. I really and I I really thought I would be a really good person for Maril to talk to

because I am a conservative, right, that has left all of this that that went through all the things you went through that you're going through now

just to show you like yes it's the grass is greener over here like [laughter] you can come over here to the America first conservative side Mary Lou become a populist

I hear you and abandon all of these uh you [laughter] know Trump and MAGA I promise you the grass is greener over here.

You got any merch? We need to get her a hat. I do. I can send you want me to send you some some uh some America First. So, you see my

my giant America First logo here. Yeah, let's get it. Yeah, I'll send uh I'll get you guys' address and I'll send send you guys all some merch.

Okay, great. So, that's going to that's going to wrap it up. I would love to do another show with you guys sometime if if you want.

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I'm totally Do I just hit the button to get out or how do I do this? Yeah, you'll just you'll just click uh just leave click leave lobby and then uh that'll wrap it up. And then guys, I'll I'll do the super chats after.

Okay. Thanks so much for having us on, man. We'll definitely have to do this again. Yeah. Great talking to you guys. All right. Bye.

See you guys. Bye. All right. So guys, that wraps up the show on this end. We are going to do super chats. Uh I don't know if uh you know who's at this point, but thank you guys so much. What do you guys think? Did you guys have fun with that one? I thought it was great. I thought it was a great conversation to have. All right.

True. Uh proud of Mary Lou for this. Disappointed in Nate for claiming Iran doesn't fund terror. Okay. I didn't say they did. I didn't say they didn't fund terror. I said they are not the world's leading state sponsor of terror, which they are not. That's objectively true. So, I'm sorry that you are upset about that, but what I said is factually accurate about that. Uh, I was accused 28 times. Don't worry, it was simple, not federal. To marry the biggest red flag about the Eiles is Trump's adviser, Lutnik. Yeah, he was E neighbor. Co-conspiracation nor fired him. That's alarming. Agreed.