Is Maga falling apart?

In the aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. >> [music] >> Half the country fears the end of democracy and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule, now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. >> Welcome to the necessary conversation. I'm Chad Kultgen. With me today is my sister. >> Hey. >> Hey Haley Pope. How you doing? >> I'm doing. >> We live in >> L I B I N. >> Uh my mom is not here today. My dad is not here today. My dad is experiencing some health issues and my mom is taking care of him. So it's just going to be me and Haley holding it down, the old lib sibs. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> Haley, do you have any ditties? >> [laughter] >> Um I gallivanted this weekend. I literally just got home from Austin like 2 hours ago. >> How was that? >> Uh >> Tala Rico country. >> Yeah, I haven't been to Austin in a while. Um quite diverse, which I appreciate. Ate some really good vegan food and saw Hayley Williams, um lead singer of Paramore. >> Yeah, we know who Hayley Williams is. She has a new album out, right? >> Yeah, new album. Uh it was great. I don't know. Enjoyed my time gallivanting. >> Shooting star in the sky right now and shooting stars, I could really use a wish right now. Wish right now. Wish right now. >> Okay. That's her, right? >> Yes, but that's yeah. >> Shooting stars in the shooting sky with shooting stars, I could really use a wish right now. Wish right now. That's how it goes. >> Y- That's That is Blink-182. >> Then sing it. >> The way that you're singing it is you're sounding like Tom DeLonge. >> Correct me. >> Don't waste your time, Mommy. >> Correct me. >> Uh Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky >> are shooting stars? >> Yeah. >> I could really use a wish right now. >> But you sound Don't waste your time, Mommy. That's what you sound like. >> All right. Much different tone when it's just you and me, by the way. >> [laughter] >> Okay. Let's um Oh, I wanted to ask you this. We do Well, let's go Let's do the listener question first and then I'll ask you this. This is kind of a weird philosophical question that I've had written down in my note sheet forever. And I I was going to ask us all this question. Whatever. Let's listen to our question, then I'll ask you this other question. Here is our listener question. If you want to send one in to us, all you have to do is record it in a 1-minute or shorter video format, send it to the necessary [email protected]. Here's our question for today. >> Hello, Chad, Haley, Bob, Mary Lou. Sending love. My name is Jade, and my question is for Chad and Haley. While I hope Mary Lou and Bob will listen intently, my family is tight-knit as my grandparents were immigrants. My sister and I have been or chosen to be an axe from our family for about 6 to 7 years after being disrespected constantly and calling people out for their bad behavior. So, I know things like this are not easy. I want to know, Chad, Haley, do you feel like these core values you hold that I share you were taught in childhood by your parents? And as you grew up, you realized your parents maybe only used those values as blanket statements or when they were convenient for them. I know there are a ton of things I had to unlearn growing up in a one-red-light town, but my parents, who were evangelicals, gave me a solid base, as well did the Bible in many ways, although I no longer subscribe to it. In many ways, they seem to have forgotten the same values that they taught me, and I'm confused on how this happened. Sorry for the mouthful, but thanks again, and Bob, I genuinely hope you feel better soon. >> So, what do you think of this? question is basically >> Mhm. >> The va- Did our parents raise us with better values than they now embody? Is is basically the question here, I think. Haley? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Um I mean like we were spanked and yelled at and all of that, but you know, there were times where I played softball, you know, my whole life, sports uh as a kid all the way into, you know, young adulthood. And Dad was often the coach, you know, on my teams. And there would be kids that like couldn't afford cleats and like couldn't buy winter coats and [ __ ] And so, he would literally we'd all go to the store and he'd just buy them what they needed. And send them home with it, you know? So, I think like I definitely saw a side of Dad giving a [ __ ] about people, having empathy. Um you know, despite what people see today, like that's certainly he was still like an [ __ ] back then, but but the empathy existed. And like Mom with animals and [ __ ] like they definitely instilled, I think, like a an empathy within us as kids. I think. I mean, that's I think that's why we are the way we are. >> But it came with the the double-edged sword was like, yes, empathy for animals and all of this, but how many of our animals were executed or given away or, you know, whatever? >> That's fair. Yeah. >> A number that is to me immeasurable. It I don't like Dad has always been mean. Like, I remember when I was a little little kid, I was forced to do wrestling, competitive wrestling, not professional wrestling. >> Hey, brother! >> Yeah, he's like, "Get out there! You're going to be the next WWE superstar!" >> [laughter] >> He was a um a high school wrestler. >> Yeah. >> And and so, I was forced to do it as well. And he He a special technique that he imparted unto me and it was a technique of cruelty. It was using your chin to like dig it into somebody's back or shoulder or arm or whatever just to cause them pain basically, you know. Um which I guess whatever in wrestling anything goes like that's admissible but it was like his kind of pleasure was teaching me this what he believed to be like the secret move that would cause my competitor pain and and the cruelty of it he enjoyed even that. And granted this is on like a a stage if you will it's wrestling it's in the confines of the rules of that sport but [clears throat] still that was kind of like one of my first memories of him as a a teaching figure in my life was to teach me how to impart cruelty upon my opponent. >> He did the same thing to me. In softball I was a catcher and he would say you don't let anybody come through that plate. I don't care if you [ __ ] knock them out. Like there was an element of like kind of killer be killed on the field. >> Right and and as we've said you know a few times on the show that comes from him being adopted and and growing up in an environment where he perceived the world to be that way. Um that his parents didn't like take great care of him and he never knew his real parents and all these kind of things. Um but >> I was an aggressive child as a result of it, you know, like I was getting into fights and [ __ ] >> [ __ ] you stabbed me. >> I was an aggressive child. Um >> Yes you can call it that. Criminal I would say. You you stabbed me. >> Yes. So obviously I've had to unlearn some [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Cuz you can't go around stabbing people with corn pokers. >> Yeah. >> Um I I think a major shift for me happened probably like when I had my first kid. I think uh like a [ __ ] psychological shift almost immediately. Um like knowing that I was going to bring another human into the world my outlook on life how I perceived really everything changed. So, and I knew that I didn't want to put my kids through the same [ __ ] that I went through. So, I think for me it was about like, oh my god, I can't continue this. >> Yeah, you're breaking the chain in a like healthy way where you're altering your psychology and and raising your kids in a better manner. I'm breaking it by having a cat. >> [laughter] >> Right. >> I ain't even going to attempt to raise one of those human beings. [ __ ] all that. >> Yeah, and I don't know. I mean in essence I don't know. Everything pros and cons, good and bad, everything was kind of like ebb and flow growing up. We got a lot of good from mom and dad, but then there were, you know, some kind of toxic things that I think we had to unlearn. So. Yeah, but I will say this, like as much as we're saying, you know, there's toxicity and stuff in our childhood and and dad was mean and all of this. True, all of that true. I do think in in the MAGA years, those people do not They are not our parents. >> Mhm. >> They're not even like exacerbated versions of them. They literally have become different people. The brainwashing, in my opinion, is like so deep that it has completely replaced their personalities. >> I I see I see mom like coming through. >> Now, yes. I agree. >> I like it's changing. Dad not so much, but mom, yeah. >> Yeah, that conversation we had with Peppermint and I cannot thank Peppermint enough for the patience, the time, the effort put into that conversation. Jesus Christ. But like I could see some [ __ ] changing for mom literally just in that hour. >> Yeah. Yep. >> And if that's like all it really takes is just sitting mom down to get her to have conversations with people that are outside of the scope of her bubble. And her bubble, by the way, is like dad and her horse. >> Mhm. >> That that may be the answer and it's like how did it take us this long to figure this out? I don't know. But, I'm I'm looking into that exact thing of trying to get some more people on the show that can talk to Mom, and I think offer her an opportunity to just have a conversation with somebody that she would never talk to normally. >> Yeah, especially someone like Peppermint. The discussion was and even Hasan [ __ ] you know, the delivery was like gentle and it wasn't accusatory or in your face. It was just kind of like expressive, like this is what I feel. >> I I mean, I think it helps too that both of them are incredibly smart and funny and charming, and you know. >> as [ __ ] yeah. And and you can't help but like them, which obviously is quite helpful, but >> Yeah. >> It It definitely changed something in Mom. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if we answered that question, but thank you for submitting it. And again, if you have a question, all you have to do is record it, 1 minute or shorter, video format, send it to thenecessaryconversationpod @gmail.com. Now, we move on. This is, of course, the necessary conversation. So, whether Mom and Dad are here or not, we must discuss six topics that happened this week. One, Comey indicted again. Two, Kimmel being harassed again. >> [laughter] >> The Voting Rights Act has been gutted again. Two kings, Hespeth, of course, who's in the news this week. And Oh, no, where's my fifth There it is. War with Cuba. Sorry. >> You didn't put uh mifepristone in this. >> What happened this week? >> They banned it from like existence, basically. It can't be mailed anymore. Period. Like, it's almost a complete ban. >> Sweet. >> Yeah. >> I I read a long article that was talking about the Supreme Court was basically saying like, "People think we're overturning all these things. We're really not." And it's like, "What? [ __ ] [laughter] it's every week something like this is happening. >> It's terrifying. Yeah. >> Okay, let's get into this. Comey indicted again is our first topic this week. Trump had his goons indict James Comey again, this time in the Eastern District of North Carolina on two counts making a threat to take the life of or inflict bodily harm on the president of the United States and transmitting a threat in interstate commerce. Both counts carry a maximum prison sentence of 10 years. The first indictment on unrelated charges of lying to Congress and obstructing justice was tossed out by a federal judge last November after the court found that the prosecutor who secured it, Lindsey Halligan, had been unlawfully appointed. This time, the charges center on a photo Comey posted on Instagram in May 2025 showing seashells on a beach arranged to spell out 8647 with the caption cool shell formation on my beach walk. >> Cool story, bro. >> Snowflake Republicans have engaged in bad faith arguments that the post constitutes a death threat, but acting Attorney General Todd Blanche uh announced they won't be prosecuting everybody who posts 8647 or makes t-shirts out of it or anything like that, just James Comey. So, that's where it stands. Let me ask you this, do you think there's any way this Comey indictment goes to trial? >> No. I don't think it'll go to trial. I think it will dissipate. I'm just angry that like we're going after Comey, but nobody in the Epstein files. What? >> Yep. That That's what Republicans are doing. They're going after a guy who posted a picture of seashells and they're not going after any Now, there's multiple names have come out of the Epstein files. We know who these [ __ ] people are, the co-conspirators. No prosecutions. No indictments even. They're not even trying to go after any of these people. But, Todd Blanche has said as much. >> And and Kash Patel, like side by side, we're we're doing anything about it. Like it's done. It's over. >> Yeah. I um I also don't think this will go to trial. It is kind of the definition of selective prosecution. When he said they're not going to prosecute anybody else who's doing the same crime, it's like, oh, well, this this is done. Yeah. So, not only are they bringing these kind of like frivolous indictments again against James Comey. It's like, well, we couldn't get him for the other things. So, now we're going to try for this [ __ ] Instagram post. >> Mhm. >> Obviously, it's not going to work. But, they continue to do it at the behest of Trump. Right now, all of these indictments I I wouldn't be surprised if Letitia James gets another indictment thrown her way in the next whatever month. I just think that it's Todd Blanche is up Donald Trump's ass so far, he cannot see the sunlight. And he's just doing whatever he tells him to. No more Epstein files? Fine. No more You You have to indict Comey? Fine. But, Todd Blanche is going to have to have a reckoning, too, just like Pam Bondi did. There's going to They're going to have to go before the [ __ ] Senate. That's going to happen. They're going to have a congressional hearing. And then what? >> I don't know. Are we just firing everybody? >> I think so. >> in new people every 2 3 months? Has that too? >> I think so. Well, I was going to get to Has That later, and we'll discuss that then. But, I I have been reading for the past 2 weeks all these rumors that Kash Patel is next on the chopping block. I think he's just firing anybody who who draws like too much attention. Anybody who can't go through that public hearing process in a way that is like makes Trump look okay and doesn't raise any eyebrows. But, unfortunately, it's like >> They Well, it's impossible. >> Exactly. That's going to happen every time cuz these people are doing the [ __ ] worst job ever. That Yes. Exactly. >> they're also like TV show personalities. >> And not even good ones. >> all a ruse. It's just Yeah. It's It's I don't know. I don't know what to do. Every day I'm just I want to move. I want to leave the country. I don't know. Like, the voting, women's rights, like this is a everything is being turned back. Like literally everything. Like we're hitting a point where, you know, we had to riot and like burn [ __ ] down and like inflict harm before real change was made and it's like, so at what point does that happen? >> That was actually the question that I was going to ask, the philosophical question earlier on. What do you think is the role of violence in humanity? >> Unfortunately, I think that it is required for real change in the scenario. If you're burning [ __ ] down, you're [ __ ] with everybody's life. Quite [clears throat] literally the entire country. If we all just kind of band together, you're done. >> Agreed, but I personally don't think that violence is necessary for that. If we all it's we would have to be highly organized, but if by saying we, I'm basically talking about everybody who's not a [ __ ] billionaire. If we all make an agreement and and it was attempted on May 1st for a kind of general strike in on May 1st, it was like nobody's buying anything. It was a common strike. But if you did a labor strike of every American in the United States, >> Right. >> what are they going to do? >> But that is that's idealistic. >> I agree. But like is it easier? I mean, I guess the violence is easier. It's already been proven. >> 100%. >> a smaller group of people can be pressured to violence more than a large group of people pressured into passive protest, I suppose. But I'm I'm just saying that like the the idealistic and maybe it is, but that's what I tend to do. I tend to think about what is what is closest to utopia. Utopia is always the goal. >> Right. Sure. But I am I'm rooted in realism. I'm rooted in like historically what got [ __ ] done. And I understand but you can't like to say that it's unrealistic to want utopia or to believe that it's possible means we will never have it. You have to turn the corner in your mind that it is realistic that utopia is possible. But people like you and me potentially can believe in that. People like mom and dad never will. And that's just being realistic. And so >> if that's true. Like right now with all the [ __ ] dad's going through what if there was a med bed but if there was technology that could just like zap him up and he'd be fine. But that would require him to buy into the idea of utopia. >> gets it. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I mean I guess for them it would be personal experience as we know but no. Uh, burn it down. >> Damn. >> Burn it down. >> You're going to get indicted. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I think that's what it takes. Uh, historically that's what it has taken. And and that's that is the world we live in. There is no idealistic world on the other end of this I don't think. It doesn't happen. There are billionaires that are controlling all of us. That is the reality. How do you get out of that? Nobody's just going to all right, we're not buying anything. Everybody's not working. People are and again this is also rooted in fear. You're scared. And what do you do when you're scared? Fight or flight. >> But there are like the billionaires are a good example of this. If we wanted to collectively we humanity Americans however you want to view that larger group if we wanted to let's say end Mark Zuckerberg. >> Yeah. >> All we have to do is stop using all of his products. That's it. >> Right. >> Literally not that hard. Just don't just delete Facebook and Instagram off your phone. That's it. He's gone. >> Yeah. >> Uh, same thing with Bezos. Stop buying [ __ ] on Amazon. He's gone. >> Right. >> It's very simple to rid ourselves of these billionaires if we wanted to. Elon Musk, same thing, don't use Twitter, don't buy a Tesla. Gone, he's gone. >> Yeah. >> We will never do that. And the the reason, unfortunately, at least in the case of like Bezos, is that product is so good. >> Mhm. >> Amazon is so good. >> We're creatures of comfort. It's convenience. >> Yes, and consumerism. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not saying that that consumerism, like largely, has been manufactured, but it's where we are now. That's society. And to be able to be like, I need toilet paper, click, and it's there within like three or four hours. I don't If you live in a big city like LA, you're getting Amazon deliveries three or four hours after you place them. >> Yeah. >> It's it's like invaluable. I will always use that service. >> [snorts] >> The meta stuff, not so much. We've kind of been programmed into a social media environment, and I think it is hard to get rid of that. I don't think we ever will as a species, but you could. That one I think is like is less necessary than an Amazon or less convenient than an Amazon. It's literally like entertainment of of one way or another. Obviously, we use it for communication and product marketing and blah blah blah, but >> Yeah. >> Um there are ways to get rid of them, I think, and we're just not open to those. >> I And And And people will never be open to that. That's That's my point. Also, there is a [ __ ] rage that I wake up with every morning >> Mhm. >> because it is specifically like my rights being taken away from me. >> Yeah. >> So So like you kind of float through life as a white guy. >> Mhm. >> They don't determine anything. You can do whatever you want. Nothing is ever Your body isn't legislated. Nothing changes state to state for you. >> Yeah. >> But for me, for people of color, like I'm [ __ ] mad. >> Mhm. >> I have no problem with violence at this point because it's all that I have experienced on this [ __ ] Earth. And so it's almost like a retribution. You don't deserve this [ __ ] because it's a whole bunch of [ __ ] old white dudes just controlling everything. And and everybody else is fed up. We're [ __ ] tired of it. And that obviously is going to result in some kind of I think physical violence and I almost think it's warranted. I don't like death penalty and I don't even like the idea of like guns and [ __ ] but I [ __ ] own one because what if they come to my front door? You know, it's it's we're a product of like what's been put upon us. And so if if I have to fight or flight, I'm going to fight. >> Damn. All right. Well, good luck in your fight. Let me ask you this about Comey. Do you think that um do you think MAGA voters want to see Comey go to jail by any means necessary? >> Yes. Yes, they're like you know that mom and dad, maybe just dad now, probably mom on this on this issue, but they think that Trump was wronged somehow and that all these people need to pay for it. 100% MAGA wants them all in prison. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> And they'd rather see that than like we go after the [ __ ] obscene files, which is insane. >> You don't think there's some element, especially with like this Comey thing. This is the second time they've tried this. This time they're trying it on a way weaker charge in my opinion. A Instagram post of seashells? Like how snowflakey does it have to get, you know? >> Yeah, that's true. I don't know. >> I think the the average MAGA voter might be looking at what's happening with this Comey indictment and being like, come on, turn the [ __ ] page. >> Well, at that point they're not MAGA anymore. At that point you're leaving the cult. >> Right. Well, that's that was going to be my next question. Do you think this second indictment of James Comey is hurting the MAGA base? Is peeling people off? >> I honestly think it's so insignificant. Like with everything else going on, I don't even know if people give a [ __ ] >> Mhm. >> I don't give a [ __ ] I don't [ __ ] care what happens with him. I really just don't give a [ __ ] Like I'm thinking about civil rights, you know, and I'm thinking about the Epstein files, and like starting another war in another country. Like I don't give a [ __ ] about James Comey. I don't care. >> But the James Comey thing to me I I agree with you substantively, I don't care either. But the the thing that I think is interesting about it is it does seem to be like there is MAGA fatigue. We see that happening all over. >> It's happening with Mom. >> We're seeing it yeah, with our own mom. Uh but certainly you see news pieces about this constantly now. People are leaving MAGA. There's that whole leaving the MAGA cult thing that had the billboards all over the United States, etc. etc. >> Yeah. >> There's a lot of that sentiment happening, and I feel like this James Comey thing is just like it's one more pebble thrown on top of the stack, you know? >> Yeah. >> But it's an important one because it's like it's exposing that Trump doesn't even have another thing to divert to now. He used to be a kind of master at chaos. Look over here, look over here, look over here. Now it's like we're going back to James Comey and the seashells? >> Mhm. Yeah. >> I feel like it's it's weakening the MAGA base. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah, I think so. >> And speaking of going back to the same playbook, our second topic is Trump coming for Jimmy Kimmel again. Trump and Melania are calling for Jimmy Kimmel to be fired again because of a joke he told on his Thursday show. He said, "Look at Melania, so beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow." Two days later the White House Correspondents Dinner was cut short when a man armed with guns and knives tried to enter the Washington Ballroom where Trump's and much of the where the Trump's, sorry, and much of the nation's political leadership had gathered. Monday then Melania posted on X that Kimmel's quote hateful and violent rhetoric is intended to divide our country, and that his quote words are corrosive and deepen the political sickness within America." She called him a coward who hides behind ABC and said, "Enough is enough. It's time for ABC to take a stand." Trump then followed on Truth Social calling Kimmel's comment a quote, "Despicable call to violence." Saying Jimmy Kimmel should be immediately fired by Disney and ABC. White House press secretary Caroline Levitt blamed what she called quote, "Deranged lies and smears against the president for political violence." New Disney CEO Josh D'Amaro, however, did not respond to requests for comment and representatives for ABC also remained tight-lipped. And Kimmel's show has aired as normal every night after that signaling that Disney was not buckling under Trump's pressure like they did the first time. So, my question is Disney is not licking his boots this time. They're keeping Kimmel on the air. Do you think that's a signal that mainstream media is maybe done with Trump's [ __ ] >> I [ __ ] hope so. Um, but who's the family that's like buying all the networks? >> The Ellisons. They don't own ABC. They don't own Disney, not yet. >> So, I mean, the hope is that somebody takes a stand. I hope. But I mean, I guess this is a good direction if they haven't if they didn't immediately recoil and say, "Oh, we're sorry." Then I think that's a good sign. >> Yeah, it's interesting. They're really challenging I mean, the the secondary part of this is Brendan Carr, the guy who heads the FCC, is basically telling the affiliate networks, "You got to take Jimmy Kimmel off the air." And those are the networks that actually like broadcast out to the TV essentially, you know what I mean? >> Right. >> And they get to determine what their programming is going to be and all that. So, they can preempt ABC if they want or never air ABC if they want or whatever. They can make those choices. But it doesn't seem like any of those affiliates are doing that either. >> I mean, can't all of these like couldn't Jimmy Kimmel just be on a streaming service? Like couldn't >> Yeah, he would be on Disney Plus obviously. But this isn't how like those late-night talk shows, they are on every night or five nights a week. >> And so ABC basically pre-sells ads through those shows. >> Yeah. >> And that and they're they have to air it to recoup that ad money. If they air like a rerun or something, they owe money back. >> Mhm. >> So I mean that it would be a financial loss for them to do something like that. But whatever, I mean network TV is dying anyway. >> Right. >> These are kind of the the last death throes of late night network television shows. But um I do think it's interesting that ABC is not caving this time. We like you're saying the Ellison family already owns CBS. Barry Weiss is the head of CBS News. She is destroying the entire thing. Um however, ABC is different. They don't own that network. And so we're seeing, I think, in real time a CEO of a giant American >> Yeah, the revolution is letting Jimmy Kimmel tell jokes. >> ABC, yeah. Uh I don't know. Maybe they just grew up here. Maybe they don't give a [ __ ] anymore. Like I got >> Yes, that's what I kind of think it is. They don't give a [ __ ] anymore. Mainstream media, other than the Ellison family like buying all this [ __ ] has kind of like tiptoed and done a little dance around Trump this time. The first um time he was president, they didn't give a they gave him no inches. >> Right. >> They [ __ ] did what they wanted. Much of what they were making was anti-Trump, especially if you looked at like all of the choices made about what shows were getting greenlit and stuff on HBO or whatever. >> They were all, at the very least, inert or anti-Trump. Now it's the opposite. We've seen like Netflix this season on Love Is Blind, they had an open pro-Trump conversation in the [ __ ] show, and but no pro-liberal conversation. Not The opposite was not presented. Um that's just like one example. And we saw, obviously, Jimmy Kimmel was taken off the air the first go-round for a minute before they put him back on and blah, blah, blah. So, there have been these kind of these uh concessions made for Trump by mainstream media, but this is not that. This is the opposite of that. >> Mhm. >> It's ABC being like, "Yeah, whatever, dude. What are you going to [ __ ] do?" And I think the James Comey thing and the Kimmel thing are like closely related. Trump is trying to lash out at familiar targets, and this time the targets are just like, "Whatever, bro. >> Yeah. >> yourself." He's losing juice. That is what it feels like to me. >> Right. >> think that's exemplified in these things. >> He's absolutely, um, I think losing his cult of personality because he's he's hired all these [ __ ] idiots that are ruining everything. And it's playing out real time, and we're seeing it. And they're all going to get fired, and then he'll replace them with like, you know, even more racist pieces of [ __ ] Like, we're all watching it happen, and people are finally paying attention. So, it's like I give a [ __ ] but, you know, where I start to care is like the Supreme Court. Where I start to care is like you know, [clears throat] ci- civil rights being taken away from all of us. >> Well, that's a great segue into our next topic, the Voting Rights Act gutted. In a 6-3 decision along party lines, the Supreme Court struck down Louisiana's congressional map that included two majority black districts this week, finding that Louisiana mapmakers relied too heavily on race when they redrew the state's voting boundaries to comply with Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. After the 2020 census, Louisiana originally drew a map with just one majority black district out of six, even though nearly 1/3 of the state's population is black. Black voters sued, arguing the map violated the Voting Rights Act by diluting their voting strength. The federal judge agreed and ordered the state to create a second majority black district. That new map led to the election of Democrat Cleo Fields in 2024, but then a group of non-black voters challenged that map as an unconstitutional racial gerrymander, and the Supreme Court sided with them. Louisiana immediately delayed its House primaries that had been scheduled for May 16th to give state lawmakers time to redraw congressional maps. Absentee voting was already underway and early voting had been set to start that weekend. The last-minute move means house races will still appear on voters' ballots, but any votes in those elections will not count. Within an hour of the ruling, the Republican-controlled Florida House approved an aggressively gerrymandered map that could net Republicans four more house seats and this is expected to happen state moving forward. States like Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and Georgia could redraw maps to produce entirely Republican delegations, eliminating districts currently held by black Democrats. And blue states are signaling that they're going to do the same on the other side of the aisle, effectively canceling out any gains either side might have made. So, after the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, is democracy completely gone in your mind? >> So, we still have three Supreme Court justices that aren't completely crooked. You know, but the majority the majority wins. So, um like vote voting isn't even we can't even vote anymore. >> Correct. >> That means democracy's dead. >> Yeah. >> Texas already did it. Okay, we were the [ __ ] main players to start the charge. So, like this state already [ __ ] did it. >> we we didn't know I mean >> And then California. >> But the one of the big differences is um to my knowledge, I could be wrong about this, but I think this is correct, the Republican states aren't putting this to a vote of the citizenry. They're just doing it. >> Correct. >> We had to vote here in California to allow them to redistrict, to redraw the maps. >> Yeah. >> So, at least there was a some version of consent given by the population for you to like do this [ __ ] you know what I mean? Um but yeah, all that said, it's like the it's basically splitting every state into pure Republican or Democrat. >> Correct. >> And I don't like is that good for the country? >> No. Division is obviously not It was all designed this way. You know, it was all designed this way. The two-party system like it's meant to be adversarial. It's meant to be that way. >> Yeah. >> Um, is that healthy? Absolutely not. You know, I don't want to fight with my [ __ ] neighbor, you know, over civil rights. But also it kind of like it draws the line. Like I know you're a racist bigoted piece of [ __ ] now. I don't know. So it's like eye-opening, but division is obviously not what's best for the Um I guess I'm encouraged by like we just had general elections here in my town and like all of the people on the ballot that were blue won. >> Oh, wow. >> In a notoriously red area. So I think people are just [ __ ] sick of this [ __ ] And so if there is any kind of fair election, like Donald Trump's out. But that's if. >> But also I mean this is in in terms of like getting congressional seats and stuff, all these these redistricting things happening. But if you like you live in Texas, let's say. >> Yeah. >> You now know there is no way to have a Democrat elected. >> 100. >> So do you move out of those states? Your vote is literally meaningless now in them. >> I know. I don't know. And and that, you know, obviously affects like your state legislature. So you're in like a really red [ __ ] area, period. And for how long? How do you reverse all this [ __ ] How long does that take? >> And why would you? >> Right. >> Like if you're in a Republican-controlled state and you're a Republican, what Well, that's it. >> Yeah. >> The people who are in control, who are benefiting off of the redistricting, are not going to reverse that process. >> Well, now see, I think that that is I think a lot of Republicans don't understand that their choices are bad choices. >> Mhm. >> Okay? They don't understand that like this whole voucher system with our schooling here. I literally think they're just uneducated and don't realize like what you're voting for. I think that's a lot of MAGA. >> Mhm. >> Um and all of the MAGA that are trickling down to just being Republicans, I think they don't understand what they're voting for. And it's not until it starts to be implemented that you realize like, oh [ __ ] I made a mistake. I think this is going to make some Republicans like kind of lean more left. Because we live at >> you think? >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. You're either going to double down as a racist bigot or you're going to come to your senses. And I think there are a lot of Republicans who just are not MAGA. >> But the I think for a lot of MAGA, I wish mom and dad were here to either corroborate this or deny this, but I think for a lot of MAGA, there's like if you can separate the blatant racism >> Yeah. >> by one step, by hiding it in some kind of like supposed political reasoning, >> Mhm. >> then they are like, see, it's not racist. The Supreme Court said in fact it wasn't. >> Right. >> So we have to go with the Supreme Court, right? And it's about redistricting. It's not about like white people can still vote. We're not saying they can't vote. >> Right. >> It's just that their vote will be basically thrown in the trash can. >> Null and void, yeah. >> Um >> Yeah. >> So it's like there's that step in the middle that allows the the racist MAGA person >> Mhm. >> to essentially say, this isn't about race, even though it 100% is literally about race. >> Yeah, I don't know. I would like to think that the majority of rational-minded Republicans are not that. I'd like to believe that. >> There's a guy they God, what is this [ __ ] guy's name? Scott Is it Scott Jennings? Let me Google this guy real quick. >> Because not to you know, historically a lot of Republicans are Christian. >> Yeah. >> And if you're actually Christian, like if you really truly believe like the teachings of Jesus, you can't be a [ __ ] bigot. >> Yeah, I mean but that's that exact thing I think has been at the core of like Christianity for a long time, especially in America. >> Yeah. >> Because there's like all these weird things that piggyback into Christianity, prosperity gospel where it's like give me all your money, racism, blah blah blah. And they just they roll with it. But to your point of like most MAGA or level-headed people that have just been like hoodwinked or whatever, there's this guy on he goes on CNN a lot. His name is Scott Jennings. He's there like MAGA guy. So they'll always have like little debates between whoever they bring people on. That dude is usually pretty measured. Of late, he has been popping off and cussing at people and like he's going a little crazy. And I think I don't know if that's like the real MAGA is coming out or if he feels the back is against the wall cuz MAGA's crumbling. I'm not sure what, but he generally speaking is presented as kind of like the level-headed MAGA who's just here to have political discourse. And now he's like getting in it. He's going wild. >> I've seen it. Well, I'm and that's that's the predicament they're in right now. Like we've gotten to a point where I think the whole world understands how [ __ ] ridiculous this is. And so you're either going to you're going to double down, which immediately lets me know who you are. You're piece of [ __ ] Or you're going to you're going to say you're sorry and you're going to get out. >> Yeah. >> Like you got one of two choices here. And and and the people I think that generally, you know, are like good at heart are going to walk away and say I shouldn't have done that. >> I hope so. Um let's move on to our simmer up. Um Mom and Dad aren't here so we don't really to simmer down. But I had this question um to ask of you. >> Simmer down now. >> There have been a lot of these assassination attempts against Trump. >> Mhm. >> Whether real or not, we don't know. >> Right. >> But I wanted to get your take on, do you think the Republican Party is using the assassinations in some way? And if so, how? >> I mean, every time. I don't think they're real. I still don't think the last attempt was real. I just don't. Um >> Well, not not real though in in terms of what? You think that guy was an actor? >> Um I haven't I've only I've seen like the new footage of him running in, like he talks to a security guard and then 5 seconds later like runs in. Um I guess I need I guess I need to see like him. Have we seen him at all other than the footage? >> Just the pictures and stuff. Yeah, we haven't seen any interviews with him. There's some old footage of him from like um various little events and stuff he was at. But if I may, I think that it it's long been known that the CIA will target certain people that they believe to be susceptible to um going crazy or radicalization or whatever you want to call it. >> Mhm. >> And they can leverage vast amounts of resources toward that one person to >> Mhm. >> that happens if they want to. >> Right. >> By creating fake online accounts that deal with that person, that are telling them to do [ __ ] you know, what whatever. There's a million ways they can do this, especially in the age of the internet, where they can target people who are statistically most likely to pop off, and then just give them a little push >> Right. >> and see what happens. And I I think that's what's most likely going on here. I don't think these are like the assassins. I don't think they're paid actors or anything. I think [clears throat] they're people that some organization, maybe not the CIA, is selecting purposefully to send shots at Donald Trump. And unfortunately, they've all missed. >> [laughter] >> But he was touting his wounds on his body at like a press conference. Did you see that? >> Yes. So stupid. But I think that the overall we are dealing with maybe the most Machiavellian group of political people in MAGA that that we've ever seen in America. They are highly organized. Project 2025 is evidence of that. >> Yeah. >> They are doing very sinister things in the open. And so for me, it is not a big jump to think like they are putting two and two together. They know that Donald Trump cannot die in his sleep of some medical malady. That will be the end of MAGA. He must be made a martyr. >> A martyr. Yeah. >> Must be. I think the Republican Party or whatever, whoever's pulling the strings, we're talking about Peter Thiel, Palantir. These guys released a [ __ ] manifesto about how they want to put everybody in a database and kill people who aren't like valuable or whatever. You're telling me those [ __ ] aren't trying to kill Donald Trump? >> Right. >> Of course they are. Because they realize he needs to die in a public way to become a martyr so that the MAGA movement and their control in the current Republican Party can be maintained. Because if he goes away and the Trump boys go away and they don't get their billion-dollar government contracts and all this [ __ ] they got nobody. >> Yeah. >> J.D. Vance is kind of in that mix. He's friends with Peter Thiel and all these guys, but like he can't carry it unless they're they like turn him basically into the Erica to Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk is Trump. So that is personally what I think is happening. I think they are radicalizing specific people on purpose and firing them in like missiles to see like which one's going to get him. >> Hmm. >> [snorts] >> I definitely don't think uh the first attempt when he got shot in the ear, in quotes, I don't think that was real. I don't think that was real. They had camera I guess maybe it could to your point like they had the cameras ready. >> Exactly. >> On purpose. >> knew the guy was going to be there. >> Yeah. >> And we'll see what happens, you know. That's definitely one thing if they are radicalizing these people, they know when they're going to do the thing and where they're going to be and all of that [ __ ] And I'm not saying that it goes down so far as like and then they're controlling the Secret Service to be like, "Ah, why don't you take a few steps back?" I don't know that it's like that nefarious, but it just feels to me like there have been three arguably assassination attempts at him. >> Yeah. >> If you count the one on his golf course or whatever and it's like, "Woah, why though?" Why? And all of these people or multiple of them were Trump supporters, you know? >> Mhm. >> And it's like but that's the mindset I think that is is most susceptible >> Mhm. >> to being radicalized. So it's easier to turn a Trump supporter on Trump than it is to like I don't know if this this most recent guy was liberal or whatever, but it's like the liberal people are like, "Yeah, bro, I'm not doing assassinations." But the MAGA people are like, "I'll do it." >> [laughter] >> Anyways, that's my two cents on it. >> interesting. >> Um I just can't like I I my brain kind of looks at systems and events and things and always just picks apart the pattern in it and to see like what is going on here really. >> Mhm. >> That seems like it's possible to me. I don't know that that's most likely necessarily, but like just knowing about like the history of you know, what the CIA did with Charles Manson and all that kind of [ __ ] >> Mhm. >> It's like they they do these things pretty regularly where they just like taking people and using them as pawns in a bigger game they're playing. They certainly have the ability to psychologically manipulate people and they certainly have the ability to push somebody to a Manson level of kind of like cult figure person who will engage [clears throat] in violence, etc., etc. Um okay. Let's move on. We have three more topics. Our next one is two kings. This week King Charles addressed a joint meeting of Congress on Tuesday during his visit to the US in what was widely read as a carefully worded rebuke of the Trump administration's direction. He invoked the Magna Carta, the US Bill of Rights, and explicitly championed the rule of law, uh the certainty as he Sorry, in quotes, "The rule of law, the certainty of stable and accessible rules, and independent judiciary resolving disputes and delivering impartial justice." He praised the Founding Fathers for {quote} balancing contending forces and drawing strength in diversity. He also praised NATO and stressed that the US and the UK must remain committed to supporting Ukraine. He closed by reminding Congress of the {quote} "The weight and the meaning that America's influence carries." Quoting Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, "The world may little note what we say, but will never forget what we do." Trump then posted a picture of himself with King Charles and the caption "Two Kings." >> Jesus Christ. >> Uh Trump also said like [snorts] it was a great speech. >> Mhm. Cuz he's [ __ ] dumb. He's like half dead. >> I don't think it's cuz he's dumb. I think it's because he knows he got served, and there's no he can't be like, "Fuck King Charles. Oh, this is bullshit." He's got to be like, "Yeah, it was great. Everything's great. Perfect. It was a perfect visit. Some people Some people are saying it was the best King Charles visit and speech of all time." >> [snorts] >> I don't know. I I don't know. I guess I think he's just stupid. Cuz he's definitely [ __ ] on other leaders before. >> Yeah, for sure he's stupid, but this is a real king. Maybe the most famous king in the world, I would I would say, you know. I I think he can't do that because he has reverence for the kingdom. Two kings. He [ __ ] posted two kings. >> He idolizes it. Yeah, he wants that. He wants that crown. Um so stupid though. >> His speech was like clearly [snorts] [ __ ] on Trump and his policies. Do you think that the King Charles speech accurately represents what most countries are thinking about the US? >> I think Actually no. I think most countries, I mean they hate the United States. I think they actively like [ __ ] hate us. He was like kind. I think other countries like want to see us [ __ ] burn. They want Donald Trump on a pike. >> Wow. Yeah, I I agree to some degree with that. I also though think economically the United States is still incredibly influential. Say what you will about our foreign policy. Say what you will about any of the other bad [ __ ] that's going on. All of those countries, as much as they want to see Donald Trump go down and maybe even America go down, that would be devastating for the global economy if like the dollar falls to zero or something, you know. They can't We're we're too intertwined in how the whole world works for us to just be like [ __ ] them, take them out. >> Well, yeah. There's definitely an empathy that is felt worldwide for the citizens, but they hate Donald Trump. They hate our government. Everybody wants it over because we are affecting the entire global economy. Like it is actively happening. >> Yeah, 100%. Everybody around the world is paying higher gas prices or petrol depending on where you live. >> They want him out. They want him gone. >> Yeah. Do Let me ask you when you look at like a time in the near future when Donald Trump will be out. Let's say that the next presidential election delivers unto us an AOC, full Democrat Congress, Senate, and executive. Control it all. Do you in your mind is the idea of running on a platform of reversing all of Trump's [ __ ] a good or a bad idea? >> I mean, for me personally, a great idea. >> Mhm. >> A- as as a whole, yes. I think yes. I think that is what you run on. I think you say, "Immediately upon [ __ ] office, all reversed, and we're going to get back to business and start focusing on the [ __ ] that that he made endless promises about." Like, yeah, cuz we were in a better place prior to Donald Trump. So, yes, that is how I would run, reversing all your [ __ ] Day one. >> I I think I would use it as a small side piece. I'd be like, "Day one, we're taking his name off the Kennedy Center." >> Yeah. >> Just to get under his skin, just to piss him off a little bit. But, to me, the more substantive [ __ ] is saying like, "Donald Trump is bad, and yes, we will, of course, reverse everything that we can immediately. But, the bigger picture is this country's [ __ ] broken. >> Mhm. >> It we have allowed a Donald Trump, and it starts at the Supreme Court, and it goes through all of our uh different laws and stuff with voting and and all the various uh states that we have. It goes with letting senators and congress people and presidents [ __ ] trade stock on [ __ ] that they're making decisions and actively affecting. It goes into all of that. There is so much corruption. The system is so [ __ ] broken. It has to be fixed. That is what I would run on. Saying like, "We can't And maybe I would also run on uh you know, speaking of King Charles, I would be running on like, our position in the world has suffered. >> Mhm. >> We need to reclaim that. We need to show the rest of the world, basically, that Trump was an aberration. That's not who we are as people. That's not how we want to present ourselves to the globe. We want to be a country that helps other countries, that tries to make the world a safer place, not starting wars, etc., etc. >> Sure. Sure. >> Those That's the platform I would run on. >> Yeah, sure. But then after the Kumbaya, we're going to have the Nuremberg trials and you're all [ __ ] going to prison, period. >> [laughter] >> Okay. You would you would run on >> and you're and you're going to pay for what you did and every Epstein [ __ ] is going to be tried and convicted and either put in prison for life or off to their own Epstein Island. Like I want it all. I want all of it. I want vengeance. I want I want retribution. >> Okay. >> That's how I feel. You got some Kumbaya [ __ ] going on. You're like, ideal world, utopia. No. I want to burn [ __ ] down and I want [ __ ] people in jail and I want new legislation. Just reinstate my civil rights. Just let me [ __ ] have bodily autonomy. I'm mad. I want it all. >> for Texas Senate 2026. >> that's the sound bite. >> Haley Pope, retribution is at her fingertips. >> Yeah, that's that is what I want. >> All right. >> I'm an angry person. >> Speaking of angry people, Heggseth is our next topic. This week Heggseth appeared before the House and Senate Armed Services Committees on Wednesday and Thursday in his first congressional testimony since the Iran war began 2 months ago and he delivered a combative and deeply partisan performance reminiscent of Pam Bondi just before she was fired. He called congressional Democrats and some Republicans quote, "The biggest adversary we face." and labeled critics reckless naysayers and defeatists from the cheap seats rather than answer tough questions substantively. He repeatedly attacked questioners motives and patriotism. Uh Adam Smith caught a major contradiction uh for Heggseth. Heggseth said Iran's nuclear facilities were obliterated in 2025 prompting Smith to then ask why the war was launched in 2026 over quote, "Imminent nuclear threat." Heggseth pivoted to Iran's missiles and then uh Representative Garamendi told him bluntly, quote, "You have been lying to the American public about this war from day one." And Hegseth said, "Who are you cheering for?" >> [laughter] >> It's It's more Pam Bondi [ __ ] It was like watching that for me. >> I agree. It's this And And this started for me the first time that I saw something like this was during the Brett Kavanaugh hearing to get him on the Supreme Court. >> Yeah. >> You asked these questions It's this fake like, "Fuck you for asking me a question." It's like fake outrage to prove that you're being victimized in some way. And it just doesn't fly. This is the guy who's the head of the [ __ ] Department of Defense. >> Correct. >> Acting like a child. Do you Let me ask you this. Do you think Hegseth's performance in these hearings was bad enough that Trump will fire him? >> Hmm. When did he fire Pam Bondi? Was it shortly after that? >> Yeah, about a week. >> Shortly after? >> About a week after she did that hearing. >> And like >> On the advice >> the public was calling for it. Yeah, they were all saying, "Fire this Fire her." >> Everybody was saying her performance was like combative and she dodged the questions. Literally the exact same [ __ ] is being said about Hegseth right now. >> So, I think Hegseth won't be fired because he's a man. I think he's going to hang on to Hegseth and Kash Patel. And I think that that's I think we're I think it has everything to do with the fact that they were women cuz he got rid of Kirstjen Nielsen as well. >> Yeah. And there was a third woman, too, that he got rid of. I forget what she was um She was in his cabinet to some degree. >> I don't think he's going to fire him, no. >> Let me Google this. >> He's a good old boy. >> Also, we're in a war. >> Yeah. >> Like I firing the head of the Department of Defense >> I mean, you may as well. Like, what what's he [ __ ] do? >> Um Lori Chavez DeRemer was the United States Secretary of Labor and he fired her, as well. But yeah, like how can you fire your Secretary of Defense in the middle of a war that he started? Can you do that? >> Can't you? >> Who's the next Secretary of Defense? Jared Kushner? Who the [ __ ] would he put in there? >> Does it matter? >> Yeah, cuz that person has to be confirmed. You got to go through hearings and all that [ __ ] >> I just don't think they could do anything worse than they've already done. I don't think they're ever going to hire anybody with actual qualifications. >> Yeah. >> So, does it matter? >> I don't know. Do you think the majority of MAGA thinks Hegseth did a good job in these hearings? >> Like actual MAGA? Yeah. Yeah. They're like, "Absolutely." >> Don't answer no questions about the war you started. >> Exactly. Well, where is your patriotism? >> Yeah. The I read an article this week I forget what this was in. It might have been New York Times. Um the failing New York Times, I'm sorry. There were There were 16 US bases in the Middle East that have all been damaged by Iran enough that they are basically unusable. And it turns out that in order to make those attacks, they used Chinese intelligence. >> Wow. >> So, that's happening. And Hegseth isn't talking about any of that [ __ ] Like it's the the Iran war is basically, it seems like, being fought by Russia and China >> Mhm. >> through Iran against the United States. >> Right. >> And it's like I don't know what to believe about the war in terms of who's in quotes winning. It ain't us. >> Yeah. >> It's like we've been there now for I think this is week 10 of this [ __ ] war. And it's like there's not >> And what's it cost per day? Like $500 million or some [ __ ] >> Let's see. I have no idea. >> Like we're all suffering for it. There is no conclusion. There was really no reason. It's just absurdities. >> One to two billion dollars per day. >> Jesus Christ, yeah. And my soldiers are out there starving and [ __ ] can't even eat. Like it's a [ __ ] nightmare. It's a nightmare. >> And then Hesbeth is up there, "We're winning. We're winning the war. How dare you ask me a question about this?" >> Where's your patriotism? >> Um all right, speaking of war, we have one final topic to get to, the war with Cuba. This week Trump said the US would be quote taking over Cuba almost immediately. On the same day Trump signed an executive order expanding US sanctions on Cuba targeting government officials, people in the energy, defense, mining, and financial sectors, and threatening foreign banks with loss of access to US markets if they continue doing business with Cuban entities. Presumably all of this is being done to increase tension with Cuba just as he did with Iran before starting that war. So, the war with Iran is obviously not going well. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Do you think Republicans or or Majal will finally reject Trump if he does try to invade Cuba or bomb them? >> No. No. >> I don't know. I feel something's tipping here. >> No, I don't know. >> Nobody likes this war in Iran. Even like Republican polling is is I believe under 50% approval at this point. I think I read that this week for the war in Iran. >> he starts another one before that one's even finished or even let's say like they we signed a peace treaty, everything's great, and then invades Cuba or bombs Cuba the next day or the next week, I just don't think I think he loses a lot of support if he does that. >> I don't think he [ __ ] gives a [ __ ] He's just trying to make as much money here at the end before he dies, you know? He's setting his kids up and his family up. Like this is just a cash grab. >> Mhm. >> That's what both of these wars are about. He's giving contracts to his [ __ ] kids. >> Yeah. >> And they're making billions of dollars. >> Yes. >> the [ __ ] second. This has nothing to do with That is literally why this is happening. It is his end game for his empire to just build money on money on money. He doesn't give a [ __ ] Like he's already He's been ordered to, you know, like release the Epstein files, all these things like by law, he should have done these things. He's breaking the law every day and nobody's doing [ __ ] about it. Why would he stop now? Oh, you don't want me to start a war? I don't give a [ __ ] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, that's another component of this like for the Iran war, there was no congressional approval. >> Exactly. >> And the military just did exactly what he said. So, the military now we also know will commit crimes in Trump's name. >> Right. >> Um I can only assume they would do it again in Cuba, but also I'm like, maybe not. Maybe they're like, [ __ ] we [ __ ] up this Iran thing. Like the the people who are leading the military cannot be happy about what's happening in Iran. They can't be, right? This is They're losing. Troop morale is down. Troops are [ __ ] starving. They're getting killed to some degree. We We've had US soldiers get killed in this war. >> Yeah. >> We've got blockade on top of blockade. Who's blockade is the better blockade? It All Everybody in the world [ __ ] hates this because like what we're talking about, prices of everything are going up as a result of this dumb [ __ ] war. >> Yeah. >> And it's like the US military is the one doing it. >> Correct. >> I don't think that the people who are like at the top of the US military like this and I don't think they would want to do it again. And there is grounds for them to refuse any orders given. >> Didn't he fire a whole bunch of them? >> Who? >> Hec- Hespe. >> Hespeth. Yeah, he fired I remember I think it was four people who who had kind of like senior military positions because they wouldn't go along with his [ __ ] >> Right. So, he's just going to keep firing them. >> Yeah, I I I guess you're right. There is no bottom. You just have to find people who are willing to carry out Trump's >> And he's done it now for an entire year. He's got all these [ __ ] idiots lined up. What's to say he's not going to do it again? I 100% think we're going to war with Cuba. War. Invading for for you know, to make money. It's all about money. It's all about money and resources. >> Do you think there's any possible future where the Trump family is in some way held accountable and they have to forfeit that money? >> Um I think that's going to be the next presidency. I really think there's going to be like a Nuremberg trial-esque thing that happens where like you're all going to be held accountable. And I hope his whole family goes to [ __ ] prison for life. >> Yeah. >> All of them. >> But they have too much money. >> To get out of it? To buy off people? >> Yeah. If you have enough money, you don't go to jail. That's America. And they have a lot of it now. And also >> As Stein went to jail. >> Did he? Then he got a sweetheart deal that said he could never be prosecuted again for the rest of his [ __ ] life. And then [ __ ] got a little too hot and he got it he did get sent to jail where they killed him obviously. But like the it also is a matter of these cases would be so high profile. Certainly they would go to the Supreme Court. >> And our Supreme Court is [ __ ] >> Yeah. It's a joke. >> Yeah, I don't know. >> That to me is is the the biggest and worst thing that Trump has done to America is the Supreme Court. Because it's what allows for all this other [ __ ] They pass these laws or overturn laws that have been you know, in place for 40 years or whatever. Reverse weight all that kind of [ __ ] >> wasn't it also like Obama like [ __ ] up? He fumbled a seat in the Supreme Court and then [ __ ] Ruth Bader Ginsburg just decided to die in the Supreme Court. Like there was a chain of events here that like landed perfectly for my jaw. It was kind of like >> Yeah. But it's also about like um norms and stuff and and kind of respecting the sanctity of how it has been done. >> Mhm. >> And I think the Democrats always have operated under that. >> I'm tired of that [ __ ] >> Republicans have not. And so the Republicans will take any chance they have >> Yeah. >> to kind of upend how [ __ ] is normally done. It's like, well, can we do it or not? That's the only question. Can we do this? If the answer is yes, they will [ __ ] do it. It doesn't matter if it goes against a norm or even breaks a law at this point. >> Right. >> They just [ __ ] do it. So they just ram people down your goddamn throat. In terms of the Supreme Court. But yeah, if I remember right Obama No, but it wasn't Obama was trying to get a Supreme Court Justice on the bench. And then it was the Republicans who said, "No. >> Mhm. >> An outgoing president in the final year of their >> Right. Right. >> term can't put somebody on the bench." >> Yeah. And he should have just said "Fuck you. I'm doing it." Um >> Yeah. >> as we know now, like you can literally do anything you want. Uh well, you can now as a president. So >> can't be charged while president. >> Yeah, if if maybe we get an AOC in, uh [ __ ] add additional seats to the Supreme Court. >> Well, that too. Any president can do that. >> Yeah. [ __ ] it. >> A 100-person Supreme Court. >> I'll just cancel you out, [ __ ] >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Um that would be amazing if she did a 100-person Supreme Court and just fires it. >> [laughter] >> 90 new >> Yes. >> Democrats or whatever. That'd be fantastic. >> Young. And like people of color and women. Yeah. You're Yeah. That's what I would do. >> Look for some law school students on the day of graduation as soon as they pass the bar. >> Yes. >> You're a Supreme Court Justice. How old are you? 18? Doogie Howser? >> Perfect. >> Esquire? >> Perfect. >> Um all right. Well, that's it. We did it. An hour. Lib sibs holding it down. So, before we go, as always, thank you to everybody who's joined us. We will be back. You and me, you're going to do this with me tonight? >> I don't think I can. >> I will be doing a live solo tonight. Join me for that. 6:00 p.m. PST to discuss today's episode and anything else you might want to discuss. Thank you for doing this with me, Haley. I love you and Mom and Dad, I love you, too. Hope everything's going okay. >> I love you, Chad. Mom, Dad, wherever you are, I love you. Hope you're doing all right. >> All right, I'll see you tonight at 6:00 p.m. Thanks for joining us.