Who Is To Blame For Charlie Kirk's Murder?

In the aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule, now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the necessary conversation. I'm Chad Colulchin. With me is my sister, fellow lefty, and my mom and my dad. As you can see from my mom's hat, they are MAGA. Hello. Is anyone with me? Thank you. Hi. Hello. Hi there. Jesus. >> All right. >> Uh, Mom, do you have any diddies? >> No. >> No diddies. >> Well, I guess that this could be a diddy. Thank you to everyone who gave me DMs for kitty cats um passing. There were so many I couldn't read them all. So, thank you. >> I got a bunch of nice DMs, too, about that. Um >> I got AI pictures. I got all kinds of stuff. Thank you. Thank you. >> I have somebody sending me, she said she's a portrait, a pet portrait artist, and she follows us, loves my bakery, and said, "Where should I send it?" So, I just told her to send it to the bakery. So, I have a pet portrait coming your way. >> Wow, that's cool. >> Nice. >> Yeah, we're all very sad about >> I hadn't been on social media in a in a few days and then when I got on Instagram, all these messages and I just I couldn't read them all. There's so many. There's there's thousands. Thank you very much. >> That's great. Um, Dad, how are you handling Kitty Cat Sugar Bear? >> She should be right over there and she's not here. Yeah, we know it's tough and uh we thank you for joining us this week. You were gone last week obviously dealing with this and Haley and I had a conversation basically about our childhoods, etc. >> This week, >> um not only are we forging the diddies, I'm going to forego the listener question because all of the questions I got this week were about Charlie Kirk, which is going to be our first topic. >> So, are you guys ready to jump in? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Oh, I should also mention if you do want to send a question, just record it in a one minute or shorter video format and send it to the necessary conversation [email protected]. All right, let's get into this. This week, Charlie Kirk was shot and killed while speaking at a public event in Utah Valley University in Oram, Utah. The alleged shooter is Tyler Robinson, age 22, from Utah, turned himself in 2 days after the assassination. Bullet casings with engraved messages of memes and video game references were found at the scene. In May, Utah lawmakers passed HB 128, which allowed anyone 18 or over with a permit to carry guns on public college campuses like Utah Valley University. Trump was quick to blame what he called the radical left for the tragedy. and Kirk's wife issued a statement calling her voice a battlecry, emphasizing that they don't know what they unleashed despite the shooter being a singular person who is believed to have acted alone with no affiliation to any political party. And voter records indicate Robinson did not vote in the 2024 presidential election, his first since turning 18. White supremacist groups are using Kirk's death as a means of mobilization with a vigil held for Kirk in Huntington Beach, California, erupting with cries of white man, fight back, despite the fact that Kirk was killed by a white man. Kirk's death is the most recent death in a string of politically motivated killings in America that have motivations from both sides of the political spectrum, including the murder of Democratic rep Melissa Hortman and her husband by Vance Luther Bolter in June, a very vocal Trump supporter. Mom, did you know who Charlie Kirk was before this? >> Yes, I followed him for two years. >> Okay. Dad, did you know who he was? >> Yes. >> Haley? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we were all aware of him. Um, the big question is why did this assassin do this? Mom, >> I do not know. I have beliefs and feelings why this happened. >> Let's hear them. I have it written down. I want to say the right words. >> He's a trans. >> Who is >> the shooter? >> No, the shooter is not. >> What was he? That one of them was >> He lived with a transgender. >> Okay, there you go. >> What? >> Okay. >> What is >> he lived with a trans? >> This is that proven. >> No, this is like the narrative that the right is pushing that he lived with a transgender person. >> He did. >> He did. It's in the news. >> In what news? I haven't seen that anywhere. all the channels that I've seen. >> Every every one of them, even yours. >> Okay, let's forget that that that was brought up. Here we go. >> It's time to fight back. >> He was a husband, a father, a believer in God. >> Hang on. >> People are afraid of what people are afraid of right now. >> Hang on one second, Mom. Hang on one second. Dad said it's time to fight back. >> That's right. Could you not see this as fighting back because two Democrats or a Democrat and her husband were assassinated as well? >> No. >> How is that not quidd proquo? >> Why not? >> It's a different situation. >> Okay. >> Not even not even just this week has been bad in politics the last couple months with her dying, the husband dying, the dog dying. >> Payback's coming. You just get ready. >> Okay. He's more into violence. paybacks. I'm not. So, I will not align him me with him on that. >> Also, the fatal stabbing in North Carolina. We all know about that. >> And there was also a school shooting on the day shooting barely made the news evergreen, Colorado. >> Yeah. >> So, a lot of bad bad evil stuff happened in our country. >> We can't take away from any of those. Those are all bad. >> He was a husband, a father, a believer in God. He was a patriot. And I like this what Glenn Beck said. He was a civil rights leader. I don't look at him as a politician. >> Oh, what? >> Would you all please have courtesy to listen to what I want to say? Laughing at me. I don't laugh at your [ __ ] You and dad make fun of us every >> I don't look at him as a politician but rather a man who believed and tried to instill in others the right of free speech which is what I'm trying to do right now as you laugh my face >> that's what the necessary conversation is all about too and laughing in your face that's nervous laughing by the way >> okay >> he loved to have discussions with college kids to agree or disagree in debates in a civilized fashion that made them think. >> All right. Remember you said civilized fashion. >> That's what everybody was afraid about. He was turning our youth into thinking the right way. I truly believe that he debated these kids with dignity. He made them think >> remember you're saying that with dignity. >> Remember you're saying that >> freedom of speech is for all of us. And there are but there are also consequences to your freedom of speech. I do believe >> he never brought harm to anyone. He believed in God. He never called others by wrong names. >> He gave them the >> Remember you said that cuz I've got a clip inating them with both sides of the questions that were thrown their way or even thrown his way back in back to him. He brought truth to college campuses mainly through his belief in God, family, and country. And if you don't agree with that, then there's something wrong with you. That's why people feared him. He was bringing back God, family, and country into our into our everyday life. >> Maybe that's why he was shot at because of his faith. >> Okay? >> He tried to show them different ways to think and believe. When we when we the people stop talking, that's when the violence occurs. And that was one of his quotes. So he always invited debates. Hence same thing as our podcast. When asked if he died, what he wanted to be remembered by or for, he said, I want to be remembered for the courage of my faith. This has only brought me to question my faith, to think deeper, to think about God, to think about what's out there. And I can't wait for myself to dig in, to read, to go places, to talk to people. Well, you should keep in mind that same God is the one who orchestrated this. >> No, he did not. I believe. >> Okay. >> This was caused by a lot of social media and a lot of left politicians >> made by God >> that incited the anger in people >> made by God. >> Don uh by people saying Donald Trump is Hitler by people saying MAGA people are Nazi followers. By uh Biden saying the exact same thing. What happened is some of these left-wing people take this to heart. >> Okay. >> And then they go after people and shoot people dead. >> All right. >> For myself, I'm paying I'm not done. >> Sorry. >> For myself, >> I'm paying real close attention now and my eyes are open. >> The people that you live beside that you think were aligned with you in different ways, they're not. Max and Kitty's vet, Dr. Tracy, we love you. She's fine. But she sometimes would go into a practice with a doctor in our hometown. >> No, don't do that. >> Please don't do this. >> Uh, do you know >> he was standing right out on the street? His dad and I went by this veterinarian hospital. >> I'll have to bleep that out. >> Why don't >> we're not going to put people's names in this podcast and dox regular people. >> Do not do that. >> Okay. All I'm gonna say is this. The people that were Max and Kitty's veterinarian that I thought were nice people are not, >> they posted terrible posts online that said he's the first of many to his family and friends for [ __ ] offs. >> You are literally sitting You are literally sitting next to a man who wishes for children to [ __ ] die for genocide. penis Palestinians 100%. >> Okay, here's what I want to say to you, >> Mom. No, hang on, Mom. How do you reconcile that? You're saying these people said horrible things about what he's saying. I don't align with that. I don't believe in murder. >> All right. >> When your heart is so bad that you agree and celebrate and harra to someone being shot down and murdered, >> I don't agree with that. I don't align with what dad says. Okay. Are you still going or can we can we >> I got a little bit more. >> Okay. >> Um when you first stated here that we were opening uh this number one topic and you said that white supremists and stuff that this was a celebration or whatever you said that they were now >> um um congregating. Well, also congregations were of a lot of cities throughout the United States with prayer vigils. People praying, people praying to God, >> of course. >> So, see, you just pull one side. >> Of course, there are prayer vigils, but I'm saying he was racist. The racist >> not racist. I totally disagree. >> Okay. Okay. >> Can you just pull up the clips? >> Yeah. Let's do this now. Just pull the [ __ ] clip. This is so out of line. You're like, he's a god. Let me He was a piece of [ __ ] >> He was a racist, misogynist, [ __ ] homophobic, transphobic piece of [ __ ] And he was on Turning Point behind a desk, not at college campuses all the time, spewing his [ __ ] hatred, creating lists of black people, of professors, of gay teachers, trying to dox them and get them to lose their [ __ ] jobs. He was a >> I totally disagree. >> I totally disagree. >> If I may, if I may, I agree with everything Haley just said. >> I totally disagree with both of you then. >> Okay. Also, I think I saw the the clip of him getting shot by accident. The actual clip. It is horrific. >> Terrible. >> And I don't think anybody ever deserves anything like that for just speaking their mind. >> Like Haley said, I disagree with everything he said. I also think he's a horrible piece of [ __ ] >> Yes. But I don't think this is how we should settle our problems. Uh because they're not settled. It only makes it worse. Like you and dad are sitting there. Oh, we got to [ __ ] take America back. Ah, [ __ ] everybody. We got to get That's right. >> That's what he is saying. >> That is the wrong [ __ ] idea. You have that attitude. Violence. All >> you know why it's the wrong [ __ ] idea for you? Because it's coming your what? >> It is gun violence is at the heart of this matter. Children >> coming your way. children got murdered the same day that Charlie Kirk did, but now you're up in arms about [ __ ] Charlie Kirk instead of the kids that got [ __ ] shot. >> You were up in arms about everyone being killed. >> Okay, that's coming your way. You the door. Now it's coming in. >> I didn't do anything. >> Hang on. Mom and dad just as guilty as as that piece of [ __ ] shooter. >> Mom and dad, what? You're saying she's as guilty as somebody who committed murder? >> Yeah. How? >> Her attitude. That's what causes it. >> Well, then so are you. >> That's right. >> Now, you just said her attitude. That's what causes it. Let's take a look. >> Right. Except I'm on the right side of the law. >> All right. Let's take a look at Donald Trump and see if his attitude helped to cause any of this. Are you ready for this clip? >> Yep. Yeah. >> Here we go. >> Old days. Boom. Firing squad. No, it's true. Boom. Gone. Bang. Bing bong. when we were strong. Bing and it goes quickly, right? It's called It's called You're Dead. >> Okay. So, that's Trump in his various campaign speeches making rifle firing motions and saying that that solves problems. You don't think that has anything to do with it? >> That is also the way that you uh take clips from me and dad and make those shorts on TikTok. You take it out of context. You make us look like crap. That's exactly what that was. >> Out of context. What do you talk? He's firing an invisible rifle going, "That's how we solve problems in the old days." What's How's that taken out of context? >> The way that it's put together. Okay. And also the clips that Haley has given me in regard to Charlie Kirk. Same thing. The way that they are spliced, put together. You can make them look good. You can make them look bad. >> I'm sorry. Him literally saying that black people aren't as good as white people. >> Sorry. I have the clips. I have the clips. Here we go. Here's Charlie Kirk. tribute >> and the word empathy. Actually, I think empathy is a madeup new age term that is does a lot of damage, but I'm like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. >> Because of DEI, >> it begs the question, when you see a black pilot, you wonder, you say, I hope they are qualified. If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic black woman, I don't I I wonder is she there because of her her excellence or is she there because affirmative action almost creates thought patterns that are not necessarily No one really cares when it's HR managers. No one cared when it was you know just kind of paper shufflers or even engineers. But now when it's like wait hold on a second you're gonna remove my appendix and you're a black lesbian. live like a capitalist every single day. Shank, I live as a capitalist. Okay? I live what I believe. >> What do I do? I get So, we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. >> It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them >> through having more fathers in the home >> by having armed guards in front of schools. We we we should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's dribble. >> But I am I I think it's I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other god-given rights. >> Okay, so there you go. Mom, you said he wasn't racist. There we saw him on a stage yelling a racist slur. >> No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That clip, you better do some investigation and go back online and see the full clip. When he said [ __ ] that was the man's name. That the first name was C H E N K something. >> Okay. >> It was a man in the audience that that was his first name. So, see how your side turns it on everyone. >> Okay. >> Look at it. Look at it. I >> So, what about all the other clips then about him saying black lesbians taking out his appendix and black people shouldn't be doing this and that? >> You want a black lesbian taking your taking out? >> I don't care. Do you >> the black cares? >> Do you you think that's the best [ __ ] surgeon you can buy? >> Okay, chill. >> It's piece of [ __ ] >> The black pilot thing that he said. I totally agree with those airplanes DEI DEI >> for jobs that they had to fill. What if they don't even know how to fly an airplane? >> So, this all this is all making sense. Um, mom and dad are clearly racist, homophobic, misogynist. It aligns. >> So, they feel sorry for Charlie Kirk because they are Charlie Kirk. >> It's that easy. >> I believe in God. >> Fine with me. I'd rather be I'd rather be Charlie Kirk. >> You omitted all of the [ __ ] You didn't post anything about him. >> Stop that. Stop that. >> You're whatever you're saying is it doesn't matter. We all know that you hate everyone. What you didn't post was all of his [ __ ] where he talks about women um basically need to go to college to get their MS degrees. Taylor Swift needs to submit to her [ __ ] husband and start having babies. You love that? >> Mrs. Mrs. Haley, I'm not going to say your last name even though everybody knows it. Where did you meet your husband? Where did you meet your husband? >> I went to college to attain an education. >> Meet your husband. The salt of the earth. I love him. >> Are you that stupid? You think I went to college to find a [ __ ] husband and get married? I went to get an education so I could live a life. >> I was lucky enough to meet somebody in college. I didn't go for that reason. >> If we most uneducated view of of women >> in our country. >> Like what is [ __ ] wrong with you guys? You have granddaughters. You really think that my worth is wrapped up in just being a [ __ ] wife and a mother? >> Think that's all I'm worth? What? No. But why not? That's what you want to do in your life. Why not? There's nothing wrong with that. >> They want to make that. This is a [ __ ] white nationalist Christian conservative [ __ ] It's Project 2025. They don't want women educated. They want us out of education. They don't want us to have jobs. And you agree with that? >> Did you go? [ __ ] your God. >> Did you Oh, see there's a problem right there. There's not enough God in our country anymore. >> That's stupid. That's stupid. You ever read the Bible? You ever seen what it says? >> I just said, "I'm going to get closer to God." >> And neither have you. >> That's [ __ ] >> Well, that isn't [ __ ] >> You guys don't even know what you believe. You don't even know who Charlie Kirk is. He's a morally corrupt piece of [ __ ] You don't even know who he is. >> Okay, we do not agree with you at all. >> We watched him every day. But there is this thing I just want to to Haley's point about him being a a piece of [ __ ] I agree with that. And it is one of the things that I found most surprising about this shooting is that mainstream media, CNN, MSNBC are treating him like a saint, >> like a [ __ ] war hero. >> I don't get it quite frankly. I know that like Reverence for the Dead and all that. And like I said, I saw the video. It's horrific. I don't think his wife and kids should have had to witness that. I don't think they >> I don't agree or condone uh agree with or condone killing anyone for any reason. I'm I'm against all of that. That >> seems like wanted him dead. >> No, I'm literally saying that that is wrong. I don't believe in [ __ ] murdering people like that. >> I [ __ ] hate Charlie. He's a piece of [ __ ] He is a piece of [ __ ] It doesn't mean he death. >> I don't agree with you at all. Neither does Dad. So, like probably a month ago or two months ago on the podcast, you said the same thing about Trump. You wanted him dead. You wanted >> Here's the difference. Here's the difference. There's a big difference. What's the difference? Tell the difference. I'm going to tell you >> these billionaire CEOs of United Healthcare, president of the United States, politicians to, you know, up the chain. These are people who are actually making decisions that affect policy, our lives. Uh the United Healthcare CEO is making decisions that literally kill people. That's a different thing. Charlie Kirk is just a troll who got very popular on YouTube for saying trolly, racist, misogynistic [ __ ] >> His his whole thing, he came to prominence by doing those uh prove me wrong posts where he literally would just go out and be a troll on college campuses. I don't think women should work. Prove me wrong. And then he'd get people to engage. That was the the way he would capture some person just walking by be like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about, dude?" And that exploded him in popularity. trolling that that's his whole bread and butter is he's a [ __ ] right-wing troll. >> Yeah. >> No, I do not agree with you. He knew the heart of our kids. He knew the heart of the youth going out to those campuses talking to them every day. >> It wasn't He wasn't changing anyone's mind. >> Their eyes and their minds that they were becoming radicalized in these colleges. >> Have you ever watched any of his videos >> in my middle one? So far away. >> No, you've never watched >> his videos are he's not convincing anyone of anything. His videos are him just fighting with people on college campuses. >> Okay. So, I guess you haven't seen the clips on Instagram and Tik Tok of kids that now five years from when they spoke with him, their lives have been changed. They are closer to God. You haven't seen any of those clips? I guess >> a neo-Nazi group now. I haven't. Um, >> have you seen the clip where he said he would rather his 10-year-old if she was raped, he'd rather she had the child than get an abortion? Did you see that one? Yeah, >> what a great what a great father he is and how wonderful he is to children. >> And did you see the clip where the kid said uh he knew what a zygote was, but until a kid could talk uh uh verbally talk himself that they could be killed up to age one and a half. It didn't matter to him. >> Yeah. Well, that's >> so see two sides. >> I don't know what you're talking about here, but I want to get to this question. Dad, you were talking >> I didn't know what you were talking about. Okay. >> You never You never know what we're talking about. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Dad, I wanted to ask you this question. You said there's going to be retaliation. What do you think that will look like? >> It will look like uh Democrats getting shot >> by who? >> You'll see. >> No, I'm asking you to tell me what you think here. >> I don't have to. >> You're the best. >> Okay. What I think, Shut up and listen. What I think is Democrats are going to get payback in numbers. >> Okay. But Democrats have have already been killed >> the shooting of Charlie Kirk. >> But again, you don't think that this could have been payback for Democrats getting assassinated, which happened in June? >> No. >> Okay. Why not? >> Because they're not related. >> But you >> all of this is related. How do you not see that? >> No, they're not. How do you not see that? We have a massive problem in this country with gun violence. A school shooting and an assassination and a political assassination happened on the same day. >> All right. You blah blah blah blah blah blah blah hear anymore. >> No, you're going to hear it cuz you just said we don't have a problem with gun violence. >> I can hear it. >> Okay, then you can dismiss yourself, but I'm going to keep speaking. >> There are uh you said we don't have >> full of [ __ ] It's ridiculous. Your crack sack was full two, three weeks ago. Go back to the catchphrases. That doesn't mean anything. >> Quit putting crap in the sack. You're done. >> That doesn't mean anything what you're saying. >> Yeah, it does. Stop. >> I have said we have a problem with gun violence. You said no, we don't. I'm offering evidence, which is we saw a public assassination in broad daylight. >> We're going to have more public assassinations. >> Okay. And a school shooting on the same day. You don't think that is a problem with gun violence? >> No. >> Why? >> Because it has nothing to do with guns. Mental health >> both >> has to do with sick people >> mental health >> who can get guns very easily in this country. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> What was that? >> Okay. >> He's doing the Kool-Aid Man. >> He's doing a macho man. Randy Savage. Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, you're going to catch some hell. Just get ready. >> He believes that this >> Wait, wait, wait. You think somebody's going to come kill us? >> Who? >> Me and Haley. >> No. >> You never know. No. >> Who are you saying you're gonna catch hell? >> He he thinks all this is gonna like stir up more violence. >> Well, that's that's the intent. Like Charlie Kirk's wife came on [ __ ] social media and literally said the evildoers who did this and like my tears is there are battlecry. Like they're inciting [ __ ] war and violence. And then what's his name? Rama Swami coming on saying I'll see you in [ __ ] Valhalla. >> I'm sorry. He will see him in heaven later. That was >> a military thing. Are you that stupid >> to not know that he was saying I'll see you in heaven later? >> This is [ __ ] Mad Max. Like what's going on? >> No, he said military thing. >> Okay, this may end up I This is one quote someone said. They have just awoken the sleeping giant. I don't believe it's going to be evil and violence. What dad said. Hang on, mom. You're going to be saying we created a movement that's only going to pick up more with more prayer people, more hope, more praying, more people going to church, more people bring God into their hearts. >> Mom, >> you and dad are both saying this is like the inciting incident that is going to, you know, get the Republicans out killing people. That's already been happening, >> right? They already did that. They murdered a >> and the left the left doesn't say stuff like Donald Trump's a Nazi take him down. Nancy Pelosi saying it all the time. Biden saying it. Saying that MAGA people are Nazis. >> Biden saying it. Do you remember when Donald Trump >> the dumb stupid liberal left to do something? >> It might. Yes. But do you also remember when Donald Trump posted a picture of Joe Biden tied up in ropes on the back of a truck? >> And you laughed because that was funny. >> I don't laugh at that. >> You did. You both did >> on this very podcast. >> Well, here's what I'm saying. >> Okay. >> I read and I I think it's probably true. I don't know. I read Ben Shapiro's taking over Charlie Kirk's Turning Point >> that who going forward with even more people. >> Who cares? You remember when Nancy Pelosi moving >> forward? It's not going to die. It's only gonna get bigger. God family. >> It doesn't matter if Ben Shapiro is on the show. Like you guys clearly have been indoctrinated. You are part of the [ __ ] cult. I get that. And anybody who is part of the cult is now [ __ ] full force gung-ho. It's the left. >> It's like you are the other side. You're part of a [ __ ] cult. >> What's our cult? Who's our cult leader? >> Who is my leader? Your cult is uh who are the ones that transgendered? >> No, the liberal people. The AOC AOC people like >> transgendered. >> You like AOC? >> They're the ones killing people. >> No, they're not. >> Yeah. >> Yes, they are. >> This guy was not transgender. >> How about How about the Colorado shooter? Has that been released yet? I don't know. I read >> 16-year-old student named Desmond Holly opened fire with a revolver, injuring two classmates, then died by suicide. >> Uh, and I believe one of those kids that got injured is now also dead. I mean, the problem is >> gendered. >> The problem is mental health. >> Got to go. >> The problem is mental health. I agree with you. Our society is is bubbling over with violent rhetoric. You can say it's from the right or the left. Certainly, this was not happening when Joe Biden was in office. I think it has a lot to do with Donald Trump putting these messages out there. I showed you that clip of him doing rifle shots. He came out and said, "This is the fault of the radical left. A president in moments like this traditionally would come out and say, "Hey, no more violence. We are all Americans. Come together." He comes out on Fox and Friends and says, "It's the radical left." >> It is. He says the people from the right, all they want is no more crime. It's the radical left. He's blaming half of the country. So, he's furthering the animosity. He's making it worse. >> Okay, how about this? When Floyd died, there were riots. There was looting. There was chaos in the street. All kinds of bad stuff. When Charlie Kirk died, quiet prayers, people going to church, people getting closer to God. So, >> it's it's so different. The George Floyd death is the police murdering a citizen. That is a a systemic problem. So all of the protests that were happening were improious to the system itself, saying cops can't do this anymore. >> It's turned out not >> this is a a lone wolf maniac who decided to do an assassination. >> True. Also, >> also might I add that George Floyd was also a father and a husband. Did you care about that? >> A criminal. >> Did you care about that? a [ __ ] druggie and a criminal. >> How about the lady in North Carolina that lost her life? The black guy that did it on the tape said, "I got a white one." >> You guys You guys think You guys think some guy with a 14 bag wrap sheet is innocent of something because >> he was he was a criminal. He should be okay. >> That man deserves to be. >> You're so full of [ __ ] your crap sack's full. All right, we got the crap sack. Um that that man that killed the woman in North Carolina, he was in and out of jail 13 times. Released by a Democratic >> We're going to fight you. Get ready. >> 13 times. >> I'm not saying >> his mother pleaded with the judge, keep him in jail, please. They released him 13 times. That's that no bail stuff. >> [ __ ] you're gonna learn. >> I'm not saying that the left has it all perfect. in that situation is also terrible and horrible. I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying that there is this idea that you guys are promoting that is coming from the right that is coming from Trump that all of this is the fault of the left when the reality of the situation is like I just read like I just read in this Utah passed a law making it okay to carry guns on college campuses. >> The college Are you listening to anything I'm saying? >> Yes. >> The college campus. Dad, why why are you like this? Why can't you just have a conversation with us? >> Well, there's no conversation. You don't have a conversation. You have a point of view and you push it, push it, push. And if we try to push back, if we try to push back, we're dismissed on this show. >> And you think that you don't do that to us? >> Yes, I do it to you on purpose. It's hard to sit here and >> because you can't sit here for an hour and a half listening to [ __ ] >> and not fire back at it. >> You don't know how to take turns. >> Okay, let's move on to our second topic this week. It is Trump's health. This week, Trump attended the 24th anniversary of 9/11 commemoration event at the Pentagon where he was seen to have a noticeable droop on the right side of his face, promoting widespread speculation that he had a stroke. This combined with the swollen ankles and bruised hands have put the status of Trump's health back in the spotlight. I'm going to show you a picture of Donald Trump. This is his face at this event. >> Jesus Christ. >> Okay, Mom. What are we looking at there? >> I don't see anything on my side. We don't >> Huh? >> We're seeing that he's going like Okay, I've seen that picture, but then I've seen a picture like 5 seconds past that where it was perfect. He's doing this. There's no there's an entire video. He sat there like that for minutes. >> Okay. So, you don't think this is anything? No concern here. >> You're completely dismissing it. >> Yes. >> Because I saw pictures the same day where his face was perfect. >> Okay. Well, we're entering Biden territory here. >> No, we're not. >> You guys, when Biden would stumble walking, you'd be like, "Get him out of there. He's too old. This guy has a clear stroke." And you're just saying, "No, no big deal." >> That's not a stroke. That is Christ. >> I It's It's I give up. I just give up. You guys You guys You see >> evidence >> and you just refute that it's real. Like I I just want to give up and keeps on talking. >> Mom. And it's not a stroke. Jesus. >> Okay. Mom, you're saying you can make that face? >> They would have taken him to the hospital that day. >> Yeah. >> He was gone for 5 days two weeks ago. Where do you think he was? >> Chad said make the face. Make it. >> That's not it. >> Nope. Nope. Nope. >> You know why you can't? Because you haven't had a stroke. >> You didn't have a stroke. >> Can you make it? Try. >> But dad probably has had a stroke. He He can do it. And he probably has had one, though. >> Okay. We should have never gone there. >> You made a pretty good face. >> Yeah. I I have no stroke. I'm more I'm more aware of what's going on in the world than the two of you. >> Uhhuh. Um, so you don't think, mom and dad, that we should be concerned about Trump's health at all? >> No. >> Okay. Do you think if he had a stroke or some kind of serious uh health concern that the White House is obligated to tell us, the American people? >> Yes. >> And they would. >> They will not. >> They told us about his legs. that thing >> only because pictures emerged. All they're never offering any of this information. It's only when he has to go in public and [ __ ] like this happens. He also fell asleep during this 9/11 commemoration which is obviously very uh disrespectful to all the first responders and everyone who lost their life that day. Sure you would. >> He wasn't looking at a watch same was. We all remember that. Somebody got footage of them throwing like bed sheets out of a top window in the White House, insinuating that he potentially [ __ ] the bed and he said that was just AI, >> right? >> No, that was not AI. That was some contractor throwing something out a window. They said, >> "Okay, Mom, I want to just real quick revisit. He fell asleep during this uh ceremony. Do you think that's respectful?" >> No, it's not. >> He was tired. >> He's tired. >> Oh my god. >> But you guys can justify it. Whereas if this would have been Biden, you would be all over it and saying >> he fell asleep all the time at different events. >> Biden was [ __ ] dead. Brain dead. >> Biden, >> you don't think Trump is? >> No, he's not. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Still getting off the stage. >> You're in a cult. It's cult. Cult mentality. >> Let's move on to our third topic, the Epstein files. This week, Senate Republicans voted against releasing the Epstein Files. The Democrats led by Chuck Schumer introduced an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would release the federal case files related to the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking investigation. The vote was 51 to 49 to set aside the amendment. All Democrats voted for the amendment. Republicans almost all voted against it with senators Josh Holly and Rand Paul joining the Democrats in supporting the release. Some Republicans called the move a political stunt and argued that the defense authorization bill is not the right vehicle to force this release. Democrats have repeatedly demanded full transparency despite uh or sorry, especially because of public pressure, including from Epstein survivors. Trump, while earlier having expressed openness to releasing the Epstein files, has more recently dismissed calls for full disclosure as a Democrat hoax. This comes in the same week that the Epstein birthday book was finally revealed, showing very clearly that the drawing Trump denied doing not only exists, but is signed by him as well, a signature he claims is forged. Now, Mom, you and I did a a longer form video, which you can find on our YouTube channel, going through a lot of this, going through Rachel Matto's coverage of it. But, Dad, I want to talk to you. Haley, I want to talk to you about it. Why? Or Mom, we didn't talk about this. Mom, why do you think the Republicans did not want the Epstein files released? >> Because there are Republicans maybe in those files and Democrats. Everybody's in the files supposedly, >> but the Democrats unanimously voted to release them. Yeah, I have no idea. We'll see. >> Thank No, no, not I have no idea. We'll see. Think about this. Why are the Republicans trying to hide this? >> Because there are more Republicans in there than Democrats. >> Okay. So, you're you're at least on that me to say Trump's in there. He's not in there. I didn't ask you to. But you are agreeing right now the Republican party is actively trying to hide the truths in those files from the American people. >> They don't want it released. They don't want them released. >> Dad, why do you think the Republicans voted against it? >> I don't think they think those files matter. >> But they do to the American people clearly. >> Yeah, but the Republican party doesn't think so. >> There you go. That's our answer. Go on. No, but the Republican party works for the American people. You agree with that? >> None of those people work for us. >> Okay, we're we're aligning here. I agree with you. I think all politicians are corrupt pieces of [ __ ] out for self-interest. Is that what you're saying? >> What I'm telling you that it doesn't make any difference whether they release them or not. >> It does though. >> It does. >> No, it does not. H how can you say that? I don't understand. Why don't you think it makes >> I just said it. That's how I can say it. >> But why don't you think it makes a difference? Because >> Because it doesn't make any [ __ ] difference. >> He ran on that. He ran on part of his platform was that he was literally going to release these files. Now, not only is he not releasing them, he's saying they're a hoax and he's getting all the Republicans to vote to conceal them. So, >> okay, Haley, why do you think they didn't uh vote to release? >> Because they're they're Trump loyalists and they don't want to lose their jobs. They are doing whatever he asked them to do. And there are victims who are going to compile their own [ __ ] list. Will you guys believe these women? Will you believe the list? >> I don't know what to believe anymore, Haley, in regard to our government. I really don't. But you know Ebstein was harming children, bringing them to this island to do nefarious [ __ ] You know that, right? >> Yes, I do. >> That's true. And there are these women who are coming forward and saying we were those victims. We will now compile the list >> of people that we were there with. If they release that, will you believe that? >> Probably. I do believe it was all set up with our government, too. somehow Ebstein was hired by our government to do stuff. I I totally believe that. >> Well, the the running theory is that he was basically selling videos and pictures of all these different politicians and and important people to Russia to Putin um selling blackmail to him and that's how he has Trump over a barrel, etc., etc. You all right, Dad? >> Okay. Yeah. He's like, I don't know what he's doing. >> All right. Trump calls the Epstein back to the Russia hoax. >> Let me ask you this, Mom. You and I looked at this and I I didn't get a picture of this, but it's everywhere on the internet. Trump is claiming that birthday book came out with his picture that he said he never drew. It's in the book. He has signed it and he's now saying the signature is false. Do you believe that? >> I haven't seen that. I Now you're >> I showed it to you in the video we watched. >> I know, but it was not like out in the open that that was true yet. Yes. >> That anybody could do that signature. >> Mom, >> you and I watched an entire video on this. It's on our YouTube channel on Wednesday. >> Yes. >> With the signatures in it. We looked at them, >> right? >> Okay. Do you remember that? >> The the book is now out for people to buy or what? Where's the book? >> No. Images from it have been printed in every newspaper on every website in the world >> and AI whatever. Yeah. All kinds of No, no. >> You believe somebody >> Okay. AI, have you seen the picture? I know this is off subject, but the shooter that shot Charlie Kirk, there's a picture of him in like a blue shirt, like he was wearing this blue t-shirt, whatever. >> Then there's a picture of him with a USA t-shirt on and something else on it. The people that are following the USA red shirt are like five million. The people that are following the blue shirt that he was actually in is like 1 something million. So see, you set your mind on what you want to believe and that's what you follow. Social media and the real picture is him in the blue shirt. >> Okay? Uh, social media has a lot to do with all the evil going on >> in regard to what you believe, what you don't, what's real, what's AI. >> Okay. The birthday thing is not AI. It is from a document that was created 20 years ago. >> I would like to see that. >> God damn it. I know I have a picture of this somewhere. >> Do it now. I will do it next week. Maybe. >> Why not do it right now? He gave him a birthday card of a woman's naked silhouette and said all of this cryptic [ __ ] and he signed it. It's real and it's from Donald Trump. >> But out of his mouth, each time I've heard him talk about it, he said that was not his signature. He never did that. That's all made up. I heard it out of Vance's mouth. It's all made up. >> Right. which would hopefully lead you to believe that Donald Trump lied. >> How are we How are we going to know unless we were there and saw him do it and saw him give that piece of paper to him? How are we going to know? >> [ __ ] How do you know anything then? Why do you believe in God? Why do you believe in God? Have you seen him? Have you met him? >> Hang on. I've >> We can do this all day long. >> Yeah, we can. And we can be nice to each other all day long if we want to keep our family together. I've been trying like hell to keep us together. It's getting kind of hard. Okay, hang on. >> Charlie Kirk, >> this is the picture of Donald Trump's uh weird thing that he drew. This like armless woman's body and the weird thing that he said about we have our beautiful secrets. That's his signature at the bottom. You can see that, right? >> Dad just said that's not even his signature. Same thing I said. >> Well, here is that signature plus three more signatures from personal letters he sent at that time. Looks pretty goddamn similar to me. >> Yeah, they don't even look the same. The one on the left is like the D is all out of whack bigger. The one in the middle, >> the tail's longer. >> Yeah. The tail's longer in the original one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So, you're contending then that 20 years ago someone faked his signature in a birthday book for Jeffrey Epstein. >> Yes. Maybe. >> Why? Who did it and why? >> Why not? >> This was the same question. >> Why not? Because what why would you want to? Why would anyone have that uh inspiration? Big joke. >> Do you think all photos of them together are fake? >> Everybody during that time, was it in the 80s or whatever? Everybody had photos with Epstein. >> One of those. >> No, that's not they didn't. No, they didn't. >> Yes, they did. Yes, they did. Or I mean with Donald Trump. I meant with Donald Trump. >> Like anybody that wanted to be anybody would go to Donald Trump. Can I have your picture? Of course. One of the photos in the birthday book, >> somebody drew a [ __ ] photo as a birthday card and it is Epstein in a [ __ ] lawn chair with all of these naked women around him and behind him is Mara Lago. >> H >> more [ __ ] for your [ __ ] sack. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, you guys are just going to ignore this. >> Deny everything. Okay. Ignore that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> We're going to ignore that one. >> Let's Well, [ __ ] We're 45 minutes into this already, but let's do a simmer down nonetheless. I wanted to ask each of us, >> what is the craziest thing we've ever done, Mom? >> Why do you put me on the spot? I didn't even know you were going to ask. >> What is the craziest thing you've ever done? >> Craziest. >> I've never done anything crazy. >> Oh god. >> Fun. Thank you. That's fun. Hey, >> you guys give yours and then I'll think about it. >> I think probably I've been skydiving, which is crazy. Um, but we did this [ __ ] in Switzerland where I can't remember how high it was, but you we literally climbed up like a [ __ ] canyon, like the side of a canyon. Um, they strap you into a harness with like a big kind of kind of like a bungee cord, but the cord is attached to like your core, not your feet. And you climb up this big [ __ ] canyon mountain. You step up to the platform, you count to three, and you just freef fall. And you freef fall for what seemed like a [ __ ] eternity before, you know, the cord [ __ ] yanks. Yeah. >> And then you and then you go flying through like careening through this [ __ ] canyon. >> Um, it's the most alive I think I have felt in probably 10 years. >> And I love doing [ __ ] like that. Like we're gonna go >> Yeah. >> base jumping and I have all these things planned. But um it's what I like to do. It literally makes me feel like I could probably do anything. >> Yeah. Interesting. >> My craziest thing was probably in college. I was drunk at a party and some guy goes, "Hey, do you want to go touch the Hollywood sign?" And about five of us were like, "Okay." And so we drove up into the Hollywood Hills, jumped over about three or four chainlink fences with barbed wire, and finally came to the Hollywood sign, and I put my hand on the H of the Hollywood sign. And then we looked down and there was an array of security cameras and we were like uh and so we ran. Um but I did touch the Hollywood sign drunken when I was probably 20. Something like that. Mom, craziest thing. >> I can't even think of anything because I'm so not crazy. I don't think. >> Okay. Dad? >> Nope. >> Do you like TP any houses as kids or anything? >> No. He cleared down a whole house once. He went in the bathroom and stunk it up so bad that everyone in the house had to get out. >> I remember seeing him fight two high school kids. That wasn't crazy. >> No, no, no. We had a snowman. Chad Chad >> No, it wasn't that. >> No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, Chad. >> That ain't what I'm talking about. But go ahead. >> Let me tell this one, then you tell that one. Chad made a snowman. It had a specific hat on it with a drilling company, an oil and gas company or whatever. Chad put that hat on the snowman. Haley was a little baby. >> Uh >> then the next morning the hat was gone. Bob was like, "Damn it, someone stole the hat." Uh two nights later, it was a Friday night falling asleep like Trump. >> We were at a basketball game in was it Kansas >> and we're up in the stands and these young kids walked by and dad said, "Hold my glasses." I said, "What?" I took his glasses. He went after this kid that had on our your snowman's hat. >> They stole it. And he went down. He said, "Give me that effing hat back. You stole it off my snowman." Right. And the kid said, "I'm sorry." And then dad didn't punch him and just took the hat. >> Yeah. That's not the story. >> No, the story I'm talking about is we had a babysitter, me and Haley, when we were young. We were all in the car taking her home and uh there was like somebody cut dad off the car in front of us and he got pissed. That car then turned left into a driveway as we kept going >> and it was two high school kids and a girl I believe. Two high school guys and a girl got out of the truck. >> Remember >> and one of the guys made like a grabbed his balls kind of gesture and dad >> did a flip off to your dad, >> right? Whatever. And >> like [ __ ] you. >> Yeah. which then in dad's mind warranted stopping the car and kicking the [ __ ] out of two children. >> He did not kick the [ __ ] out of he went up to the first one. The other one jumped him from behind and he was flailing his arms to get that dude off and finally they both left. >> No, he shrugged that guy off and that guy hit his back on the concrete and was like >> he assaulted two children. >> Yeah, they were not Oh my god. Whatever. They flipped us off. You don't do that. >> Okay, I rest my case, your honor. But it's the left that's the violent maniacs. Let's move on to our fourth and what will probably be our final topic here because we ran out of time with all the Charlie Kirk stuff. ICE can do whatever they want. This week, the Supreme Court voted 63 to lift a temporary restraining order that had been blocking certain ICE. Uh, >> are you going to be okay? >> He's ready. Go. >> Are you all right, Dad? >> Yeah. Hurry. Uh this week the Supreme Court voted 63 to lift a restraining order that had been blocking certain ICE from stopping or detaining people based solely on factors like race, language, occupation, work site relocation. With the ruling ISIS temporarily allowed to resume roving raids in Los Angeles, meaning officers may stop, question, or detain people in public spaces based on nothing. ICE may rely on factors like race or language to determine who they want to kidnap next. Civil rights groups, immigrant rights advocates, and Democratic politicians have condemned the decision, calling it a racial profiling and violation of the Fourth Amendment rights. Gavin Newsome called it a parade of racial terror. Malm, do you think ICE should be able to kidnap anyone without a warrant, without probable cause, without any reason other than they don't like >> probable cause? They need lists. They need people who have committed crimes. I've always said that from the beginning. That's what I feel. >> So, you disagree with this Supreme Court decision? They need a they need a list and things that these people have done wrong. >> So you disagree with this Supreme Court decision? >> I say they need a list with things that these people have done wrong. >> So you disagree with a list that people have done wrong. >> Mom, you're disagreeing with the Supreme Court here. Can you just admit that? >> I guess so. >> Say, I'm disagreeing with the Supreme Court. >> I guess so. >> Say the words, I disagree with the Supreme Court. >> Dad, you're pulling words out of my ass. I don't like it. No, I'm getting you to admit what you think. >> I just told you what I think. I can't say any louder. >> You can say it more clearly. I disagree with the Supreme Court. Say it. >> I disagree with the Supreme Court. There you go. >> Thank you. Thank you. How did that feel? >> That in your [ __ ] sack. >> How did that feel? How did it feel to say that? >> I told you what I believed in. There you go. >> Yeah. And it's okay to believe differently than Donald Trump and his Supreme Court. I just said it. I said it. What more do you want? >> I'm not a liberal. >> Never will be. >> Good try. >> I'm not trying to make you a liberal. >> Yes, you are. >> I'm not. >> I've heard you both on the last podcast. Oh, we're swaying mom. She's coming to the light. But >> you just said you just you said on the last podcast in this [ __ ] >> Okay. I assumed you would watch it. What do you mean? Why is that? Like you're using that as something >> at who if one of us died first who the other gonna live with? I don't want I don't want him. I don't want her. >> You don't need to live with you. >> Neither one of us will live beside you or with you. I'm right now starting a fund for whoever one of us is left standing. I will pay a dude on the street to take care of me rather than live beside either one of you the way you made fun of us last week. And that's >> Oh my god. The way, okay, the way we made fun of you every [ __ ] week on the show, Dad tells us we're going to burn in hell. We're stupid lefties. We get what we deserve. Dad, you've said we deserve to get shot and killed. You've said that on this very podcast. >> Do you mean that? >> You've said you would. You would do it. >> You mean that? >> They need to straighten up. >> Dad, you you on this very podcast have said you are ready to put bullets in Democrats. And I said even me and Haley. And you said if you get in my way. So, you on this very podcast have said you would kill your own children. Mom, do you really mean that, Chad? >> Do you think we really think that we mean that? >> I literally have conversations with you about if we move, I'm taking you with me. >> Then why then why last week on the podcast did you both laugh out loud making fun that if one of us was left standing, neither one of us wanted us? >> That's not right. What we laughed at. That is not correct. hurtful. >> What we laughed at is if you die first and one of us has to take dad. And that is a funny concept. You got to admit when he's talking about our crap sacks being full and he won't even [ __ ] engage in a conversation when we're like, "What's the craziest thing you've done, Dad? Trying to have a fun conversation about past memories?" Nothing. That's not a funny thought to you to have to care for this man who's actively telling you you should die, >> right? But for you to actually think that we wouldn't take care of one of you is absurd. >> Why do you think we're doing this podcast? >> Every [ __ ] time I talk to you. >> I express if we move somewhere, you're going with me. >> We'll find a house with a barn. >> No. >> I'll end the podcast today with a little thing I saw. >> No. Why do you do that? By the way, why do you do that? You and dad. >> We're not going with you, Haley. I'm not going with you. You can call us names. You can laugh at us. >> But me and Chad have like sibling banter and you turn into this. >> We do the same thing. >> I think this will open your eyes to what I feel >> about both of you. So get ready. This is how we're going to end the podcast today. We love you all. Here we go. >> Wait, should we say our I love you, too? Do you want the podcast to literally end on the final word of what you're about to say? >> Yes. >> Okay. So then prior to that, Dad, even though you are canankerous and you said very little on this podcast today, uh I still love you. Mom, despite your views on Charlie Kirk and all of all the things we discussed today, I still love you. Haley, thank you for doing the podcast solo with me last week. I love you as well. >> Chad, I love you. Mom, Dad, I will take care of you throughout your life. I have said it my entire life. So for you to say those things like you almost cried. Me and Chad were kidding. It was just two [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Yeah. For crap sacks, Dad. >> And And you can't you don't ever take anything uh lightly. You always like to kind of like dig in and turn it around and make [ __ ] out of nothing. >> It's the martful. >> I simply >> We know you're the victim here, Mom. We get it. >> Yes. Yes. I could say that about pretty much every podcast. How you've hurt me. What you said to me should hurt me, but I don't. >> Maybe we need maybe we need a family therapist to come on and help us there. >> Would you be amendable to that? >> Would you? >> Are you Yes. >> Is that a yes? >> I don't know. >> He doesn't know. Here we go. >> Not everyone. Okay. Parts of some of this I saw. >> Hang on. Hang on a minute. Hang on. Before Mom, before you read this, Dad, you're the only hold out here. I'm down to try and start looking for this person. This is an idea I've had for a long time for this podcast, but I thought >> I love everybody. >> Okay. But I thought >> that in your [ __ ] set. >> I will. I thought that no one would be down with that. Or I thought me and Haley would be down with that to have like a family therapist come on here >> with us for an episode or two. Dad, >> if you give me the okay, I will start looking for this person. >> Start looking. >> Okay. If anybody out there is listening to this and knows of a family therapist who would come on this show now, >> we want to see we want to see credentials. >> Yeah, we'll need some credentials, but also this person has to be okay being on camera in this show. They will be broadcast on YouTube. I will use them in our social media clips. That person has to be okay with that. I have done some preliminary leg work back when we first started this podcast and every therapist I talked to basically was like that was kind of a a no-go for them. But maybe there are some therapists who are down to do it on camera. Has to be part of the show. That's my only stipulation. If anybody out there knows someone, please have them email me at the necessary conversation pod atgmail.com. Mom, your final statements. >> So, I saw this on Instagram and then I don't even know who posted it and then I saw it again. So, I've changed it up a little bit. Not everyone gets a chance to grow old. So, we spend so much time worrying about our wrinkles, covering the gray, wishing our bodies look better, wishing for a younger version of ourselves. I'll wear the swimsuit next year, maybe. But getting older means we get to stay. It means I woke up this morning. And I used to take Kitty in the backyard. I'd say, "It's another morning, Bear Bear. We made it. Listen to the birds. Bear Bear, we're here." But she's not here. I got to hold and talk to my children through another season. I'm still standing beside the person that I married 55 years ago in love. The wrinkles now we have a slower pace of life. It's proof that I've lived. I'm still here. Watching my babies grow is a privilege. Growing beside them is even a greater privilege. And I'm so blessed to have you and Chad as my kids. and even greater to watch RW and HL spread their wings and fly away. But please don't let her go so far that we can't get to her in one day. The older face I see now in the mirror, she's a gift because not everyone gets to see theirs every day. I do love you guys.