Why Is Trump Pardoning A Drug Kingpin?

In the aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule. Now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the necessary conversation. My name is Chad Coulson. With me is my sister, Haley Pope. We are both lefties, dirty communists, as our father would say, but he's not here today. With us is only my mom, a Trumpup supporting QAnon MAGA patriot, you would say. Why isn't dad here? >> I have to hold my ground today by myself. This is correct. You know, I gave you both a text. Well, why your father isn't here. >> Okay. He is very upset with you, Chad. >> Okay. >> Your last Friday night live where people would dial in and you'd say, "Hey, 4675. I see that. Oh, okay." And you gave answers. >> Yeah. >> Someone asked you why you thought your father was in such a good mood and being so sweet like cavities. >> Yeah. >> What was your response? >> You tell me. You thought that your father and I had sex [laughter] >> and you laughed. You laughed just like that. >> Oh, I'm glad I missed [laughter] that. >> You also had >> You also had someone who I love very much, but I'm not going to say her name laughing in the background. And dad is very very [laughter] upset. >> So, let me get this straight. Let me get this straight. >> You're going to have to uh get back in his good graces or he will not [snorts] come back on your show. >> Can we just skip to the questions and start the show? >> We're [laughter] going to be in your house next week. So, I don't know how he's going to avoid that. >> He might be coming in the home next week. He's very upset. >> You know, here's the deal. Here's the deal. >> I shouldn't have showed it to him, but it kind of upset me. But then I thought, >> okay, that's very personal. whatever and you shouldn't share it with everybody out there and throw it out there. I have personal things of you and Haley that I could blab out here. I would never do that. >> What are you talking about? >> Rude. It was a joke first of all, which we know Republicans can't take. >> Jimmy Kimmel. Uh, second of all, he has literally told me in the episode last week that he doesn't care if I get killed by Donald Trump, >> and I'm not supposed to be offended by that and be like, "Well, he owes me an apology or I'm not doing the show." I made a joke about you guys having sex because he was being nice, which is uncharacteristic for him. That's the basis of the joke is that he's constantly a mean [ __ ] >> And I'll tell you, >> I've offended him. You both need to patch this up. >> Patch what up? >> What did I do? [laughter] >> What did I do? I'm just I'm just here. >> No. What did I do here for that? What did I >> In fact, do you want to know the real reason why he's been so nice and sugary and sweet? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Um, let's see. I can't rat this. Okay. Let's see. How do I say this? He's been nice because you thought you would mentally uh be able to transport ideas from your dreams into his brain to be sweet. >> What? >> And look at Chad's face. He knows. He knows. So we were trying to bring across that your father had all of a sudden become nice and >> Oh, he he was faking. >> Yes, he was. He was trying to do a bit. Okay. Well, it didn't work. >> Chad on another podcast said he was going to try to teleport happy thoughts. >> No, that was on this podcast when I was president. >> Well, there's been on another one, too. >> Okay. So, just to get this straight, dad is buttth hurt that I made a joke about you guys having sex and now he won't come on the show like a child. Well, you don't say that about us. And while other people are listening, >> whether it was true or not, I'll never tell. But the one thing, >> God, >> the one thing I will say is we tried to trick you and you didn't even take the bait or know what was happening. >> Okay, cool. So, I'm glad you guys are into tricking me and now you're demanding an apology for a joke. It's uh standard MAGA behavior. Um Mom, do you have any diddies or was this your diddy? >> Standard liberal behavior. Uh yeah, this could be my diddy. The only other one is that the six that did the commercial. This really isn't a diddy. But now they the Pentagon is after Mark Kelly and they're going to bring him up for a lot of questioning and because he is retired uh they might be able to get him and court marshall him. So, I saw him on MSNBC this morning. Ridiculous. She did ask him great questions and say, "What what um illegal uh order are you talking about?" He evaded the question twice, never said it. >> So, that information is coming out now. Basically, all of the boats that are getting vaporized in the Caribbean, um it looks like these are war crimes. Pete Haggsth is going to have to face some kind of fallout for this, I'm sure. >> Okay, then why murdering people? Why wouldn't Mark Kelly just say that? He evaded the question twice and she asked him face to face and he evaded it. Wouldn't say it. >> That I can't tell you, but it does look very much like Heg Seth and all of the military service members under him who are following these unlawful orders to murder people on these boats. It looks like now there may be some repercussion. I don't know if that's going to happen or not, but there was a a governing body of former JAG officers all came out and said this is highly illegal. H there might be murdering people for him too because of what he has said. So we'll see where that goes. >> Okay. Um let's move on to a question from a listener. If you want to send us a question, all you have to do is record it in a one minute or shorter video format. Email it to the necessary conversation [email protected]. Are you ready for today's question? >> I hope it's for Haley. >> It's for all of us. >> Okay. So, this has nothing to do with politics. But I was just wondering, uh, what do y'all like to do in your free time? >> See me, I like to play the keyboard. I love music. Uh, but what about y'all? Like, outside of politics, what do you guys like to do when you wind down? You know, I'm really curious. >> H, nice question. Nothing to do with politics. >> You want me to go? I don't know. Who's going first? >> Me. >> Mom. Haley. Sure. Haley, go. >> Okay. Um, I read a lot of books. I'm an avid reader. Um, trying to build that library. Something about looking at all those books I've read just feels so good. So, I read a lot of books. I travel as frequently as possible and get called a gallivanter on this podcast by [laughter] my parents. you are. >> Um, I believe that travel is >> You guys should apologize for calling her a gallivanter. >> No, I'm going to make her >> You should apologize. >> I am the gallivanter. >> I believe it's important to experience other cultures and food and art uh outside of your bubble. So, I love to travel. Um, I like to go to the gym. I know that's kind of like a weird hobby, but it keeps me sane. So, I would say that like going to the gym is one of my hobbies. You and Clayton. >> What? >> You and Clayton Eard. Bachelor season 26, the Ultimate Viking. He notoriously was just on a season of Perfect Match where he matched with Rachel Reia who was a stellar player and a bachelor at herself. Season 19, the cursed season. And >> I also go to concerts. Sorry. >> I go to a lot of concerts. >> Um, >> clearly the Bachelor is one of the things that you enjoy outside of the politics. I could go on. I have a lot of hobbies, a lot of [ __ ] that I like to do. music, movies, books. I consume. I'm a consumer of just like media. I like to [laughter] go to movies in the theater actually uh with Willow now. That's like a new thing we do all the time. I don't know. I got a lot of hobbies, a lot of [ __ ] I like to do. >> We just went to Zootopia 2 last night. >> So do the kids. >> Um it was pretty good. And at the end of the movie, the credits are rolling and I don't know, this little like 10-year-old kid or something stood up in the very back row and goes, >> "This is cinema." >> I love [laughter] it. No, I love that. I love that. >> It was great. >> We wicked Wicked for Good. We saw that. >> Was that good? >> We still haven't seen it. >> Yeah, I loved it. It's gotten like some kind of bad reviews or saying it's not as good as the first, but if you know anything about Wicked, they got to like roll a bunch of [ __ ] into the finale. Uh, but it was good. >> Can I ask you this since we're talking about that it was going to be on a diddy sometime. If you look at those two actresses from the day that they got hired to what they look like now, [clears throat] >> I'm really afraid one of them is going to like go down. They are so skinny they they don't even look human. Um, Ariana Grande, her she her face her eyes are sunken in. So is the other lady. I I'm really afraid for them. They're very very skinny and frail, >> right? >> Do you guys not see this? >> I don't know much about it. We We went to go see the first movie and somebody had a seizure in the movie theater and so we had to leave early and then that we we've never returned to the franchise and I don't follow the news. >> Haley, what do you think? >> Um >> I don't know them. I don't know them personally so I don't I don't like to weigh on people's [ __ ] because I don't know what's going on. But I have definitely seen a trend in Hollywood where um women and men like lots of plastic surgery, everybody's losing weight. It's kind of cyclical, you know, like when I was growing up in high school, the the look, if you will, was like really waif thin. >> No, it was like Kate Moss, you know? >> Um >> damn, you were in high school and Kate Moss was a >> was prominent. >> And I feel like that's kind of like coming back around. So, I don't know. No, I don't. >> I think >> I don't know. >> Yeah, I'm just worried. I'm worried for their health. >> All right, Mom. What do you like to do in your free time other than worry about Hollywood celebrities? >> That's really nice. >> You know what my hobbies are? You guys could just spout them out. You know what >> they're not just butterflies. You do you like track them. You put little stickers on them. You breed them. You release them. You're you're it's more than just a a you know passing like I like butterflies. You're hardcore into this [ __ ] >> My backyard is a way station for monarch butterflies that travel over once they're up into Canada and go all the way back down to Mexico. They go over our house. I counted and I was so excited. Dad wouldn't even come out. I counted like 300 that flew over my back fence up over the house and on. >> Yeah. So, I tag I didn't tag those, but I counted those and turned them in. And then I tag them when I catch and release live or reared and turn that in to help with their with their flight and down to Mexico. But >> it's not just bugs though, like you you take care of like the little bunnies in your backyard. You've got koiish. >> Yes, I have wild bunnies. >> You love animals. >> I love animals. >> You know what you could do? You know what you could do? Be vegan. Go vegan. >> Animals ground me. My horse grounds me. I love to ride him. That makes me feel the best of anything. >> So, animals, nature, shiny, shiny. >> All right, there you go. Thank you for the question. Huh? >> Chad, what's your answer? >> Oh, uh, Jesus, I make songs a lot. I analyze reality television on another podcast called Game of Roses because I think reality TV is the most important media currently being made on this planet. It is the most accurate reflection of exactly what we are. We currently have a president that is a reality TV show host. Let that sink in. Um I make all kinds of art. >> What? >> Best president we've ever had. >> Okay. I make all kinds of art. I also read a lot. Um, and you know, in the past maybe 3 to 5 years, I've been getting deeper and deeper into communing with entities on the astral plane. Thank you. >> And I like photography, too. >> There you have it. Let's move on to the show. Are you ready? We're 15 minutes in. Here's our first topic. This week, two West Virginia National Guard members on patrol near the White House were ambushed and shot at close range. Sarah Beckram, who died from her gunshot wounds, and Andrew Wolf, who remains hospitalized in critical condition. The suspect is Ramanula Lockenwal. I hope I'm pronouncing this right. An Afghan national who will face first-degree murder charges. Lockinwall came to the US in 2021 as part of the evacuation relocation of Afghans who had worked with US forces after the fall of Kabul. He was vetted and granted asylum by Trump and his administration. Yes, he was. >> He was never vetted when he came in through the program that Biden let him enter our country. >> Hang on, you're dadding me here. Let me read the thing and then we can discuss. >> Okay. >> In Afghanistan, Lockenwall had ties to CIA backed units and worked with US intelligence. Lockenwall had been living in Washington State. He disappeared from there about two weeks before the shooting, then drove across the country to DC. In reaction, the administration has now paused all asylum decisions nationwide and suspended visa issuance to Afghan nationals. They're also re-examining green cards from a list of what they're calling quote high-risk countries. Trump has also pledged to send 500 more troops to DC, increasing the guard presence further. All right, Mom. Who should we blame for this tragedy? >> Only one. Biden. This man, and I I could think of a better name than his real name, was let into our country in 2021 through uh that program called Allies Welcome. >> That was because when Biden withdrew our troops from Afghanistan, which was the most atrocious atrocious >> atrocious the most in the history of our United States. 13 people died then at Abigate. There was civilians, Afghan civilians that were killed. All of that went on. >> Yeah. >> After that withdrawal, then those there were he allowed 90,000 >> of those Afghans to come into our United States that were never never vetted. >> Okay. Now >> there there are over 1.5 million on backlog that our government is trying to get up to current and vet them. I know you're going to say that thing that Trump gave him a was a go ahead say what Trump did. >> Trump could have exiled this guy from the United States as soon as he got into office and he didn't. Instead he granted him asylum. >> He said, "Yeah, you can stay here." because there was 1.5 million on backlog. How can >> I care? I don't want your excuses. Trump allowed this guy to be here at the time he committed this murder or allegedly. It hasn't gone to trial yet, obviously, but it looks very much like he's the guy. >> Biden's foreign policy tactics allowed this guy to come into our country nonvetted with 1.5 million in backup now to try to vet. Okay? >> Along with 50 terrorists on the terrorist list that who knows where they are, >> okay? And Trump has been in office for almost a year of this guy being in the United States. >> 5 million in a year. Guess what? >> I don't care. That's his job. >> Yeah. Crack down now. >> You're very quick. You're very quick to forgive anything Trump does. Even when an American service member's life is lost. You don't You're like, "What? What could he have done? Trump had no power here. This was all Biden. Trump has been in office for almost a year. This guy has been in the country for that all of that time and now commits this heinous murder. Trump did not do anything to stop it. and he's funneled all this money into ICE arresting literal American citizens when maybe you could use that to go after the 1.5 would you say million people that came over and some of them you're claiming are terrorists so maybe they should be using their resources otherwise >> I only blame Biden I do not blame Trump for this I feel sad for her family for Andrew's family >> of course >> um I mean my god Thanksgiving and this is what was dished to those two families Guess what? Now it is time. Any of these unvetted people, they need to leave. Anybody else, stop them. No one else should be coming in unless they're vetted and unless they have the same ideals that we do in America. >> Okay. Well, >> this guy did not. As he yelled the phrase, as he shot her in the head, in the chest several more times, then shot Andrew. >> He yelled what phrase? I didn't know about this. >> I don't know how to pronounce it, so I'm not even going to try. It's the Islam phrase, the Islamic phrase that they do in the name of Islam. >> I'm not familiar. I guess >> as he shot her. Yes, he did. He yelled it. I'll try to say it, but I don't want to say it bad. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. >> He did do that. >> Yes, he shot her dead. >> Yeah. >> According to what news source? >> Look at Chad googling it. I am >> everything I've read. What have you been reading? >> Everything that I can on the news about it. >> So, all those Afghans that were brought into our country were unvetted. >> I don't know. I'm not seeing anything about that. But, um Well, okay. Off of that, Mom. Why do you think he did this? uh because his um religion, faith, you know, he he supposedly fought alongside of us when he was in >> he worked with the CIA, >> right? But you know, their religion is once instilled upon them upon them. It's always going to be that that they hate America. >> They hate America. >> Just like you >> that I don't hate America. You hate other people based on your religion or their religion? >> No, I don't. >> Yes, you're literally saying that kind of [ __ ] right now about him being Muslim. >> No, his religion is fine, but what [clears throat] they believe into our country and the law that they're trying to bring into our country is not fine. >> Okay, >> we're not going to go by Shakria law here. >> Shakira law. >> I'll stop today. People are going to make fun of the way I say words. >> You and dad get so butt hurt so easily, but you can literally tell us that you want us dead and we're supposed to just sit here and be okay with it. All right, let me ask you this uh final question on this topic. Do you think sending more National Guards to Washington DC is going to make this better or worse? >> Worse. >> More. As many as we can. >> But do you understand if no National Guard would have did been in Washington DC this would not have happened? He would have found someone else to shoot in the head, maybe a civilian. >> You don't know that. This seems like a very uh planned out pointed thing that he did. He drove across the country and shot two National Guard members. You're saying that maybe he was even screaming stuff. I don't know. I I can't find that. >> It's against our government. He would have went somewhere else to find people in our government to kill. But, you know, instead of this being in a foreign land, now it's here in our country. Okay. We are in a fight for our lives. >> Okay. So, hang on. Hang on. >> Against our own government. >> Yes. Correct. >> No. Against like this that don't believe in our government. >> No. He didn't believe in using the National Guard against American citizens. >> How does our National Guard do that? They protect us. >> No, Mom. They're not doing anything. Those National Guard in Washington DC, they are not law enforcement officers. They're just wandering around the city picking up trash. They're literally not doing anything. So those two people got shot. One is now dead. One is in critical condition for what? Literally nothing. Trump is like crime is down in DC. Is it? I just saw a guy in broad daylight shoot two people. >> For following orders to come and and protect people within the cities. >> They're not protecting anyone. >> There was no need for that. It's all a farce. And you believe it. You're like crime in the streets. crime in the city. There wasn't any. It was for nothing. >> This created crime having them there. >> Unvetted illegals into our country that don't believe the same things we do. This is what's going to happen. This should never have happened on American. >> The beauty the beauty of living in America is that you can believe whatever you want. >> You understand that? That we have freedom of religion, of speech, all of those things. That's what typically made our country great and it's dwindling day by day. >> Beliefs are different than actions. He chose to pick up a gun and shoot people. >> Donald Trump is [ __ ] blowing up ships in the [ __ ] sea for no reason. >> He is the president stopping fentanyl, cocaine, everything else coming into our country, making our country more safe for us. >> Speaking of our president stopping drugs coming into the country, let's move on to topic number two. a full pardon for a Honduran drug lord. This week, as he continues to launch unsanctioned military attacks on what he claims are drug boats in the Caribbean, Trump announced that he would grant a quote full and complete pardon to Juan Orlando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras and narcotics kingpin, who is currently serving a 45-year prison sentence in the United States for accepting multi-million dollar bribes from drug traffickers and enabling vast amounts of narcotics to pass through Honduras and come to the US, even saying he will shove so much cocaine up the nose of the US, etc., etc. In his social media posts announcing the pardon, Trump said Hernandez has been quote treated very harshly and unfairly. Again, this is a guy who was found guilty by an American jury and sentenced to 45 years in an American prison. He framed the pardon not as support for crime or drug trafficking, but as a response to what he characterized as an overly punitive or political mo politically motivated conviction. again. Uh, meanwhile, he's literally killing people with missiles because they're bringing drugs into the US, just like Hernandez did. The pardon comes just before Honduras's national election in which Trump is endorsing the conservative candidate who is from the same party as Hernandez. Trump also went as far as threatening Honduran citizens, tweeting or or truth social posting, "The United States will not be throwing good money at Hondurans if the Conservative Party doesn't win." Mom, why is Trump gonna pardon a notorious drug kingpin who flooded the United States with narcotics? >> This is all I have. This is all my research. A big question mark. And [laughter] I don't know why. I don't know why. >> We're getting somewhere then. >> All I said I don't even think I spelled it right. Honduran drug lord. Mark, I have no idea because there's no answers to that one. There you go. >> There are Haley, why do you think he's doing it? >> There's no answers. >> Money. I'll pay you X amount. Let me out. We'll get the conservative vote. We can kingpin together. Money and power. >> Money and power. >> For some reason, he might >> Well, Don is going to get a cut of that [ __ ] coina. >> He wants him. He wants him to win that election and and be conservative like us. But yeah, there's no I have no idea on that one. >> It's a payoff. >> I'm not trying. I'm not even sure. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're not trying. This is You have to try. >> I have a big question mark. >> I understand. So, let's talk about that question mark. You believe that Trump is trying to protect us from the influx of drugs from other countries, right? That's why you think he's blowing up these boats in the Caribbean. You think that's like one of his primary? >> Well, he doesn't want he doesn't want the Venezuelan um dictator to stay either. So, he's probably like trying to mess with him some, >> right? But the the boats that he's murdering these people on, one of which was what they call a double strike. That news came out this week. They shot one of these boats with a missile. The boat was basically obliterated and there were two people alive clinging to the wreckage and they shot them with another missile. That's murder. Um, you believe that he's doing all this that it's justified because he's trying to stop these illegal narcotics from coming into the US. >> Yes. >> This guy that he's pardoning was responsible for funneling in more illegal narcotics probably than any single person in the in the last two decades. He was the president of a country and was allowing his narot terrorist organizations in that country to just push as much cocaine as they wanted into the United States. And he was helping them do it. He was taking bribes from them. He was getting paid. He was making money off of it. He was found guilty by an American jury of all of these things and sentenced to 45 years in prison. That's probably the rest of his life. Trump said, "No, you walk free." >> Yeah. Something is not right here. That's for sure. >> Okay. So, you're you're starting to see Trump may not be telling you the truth in all of these things, right? You have to look at his actions. What is he doing? >> He can tell you, "I'm against drugs and I'm going to shoot all these [ __ ] boats out of the sea because they're bringing drugs here." >> But he's pardoning a guy who has brought more drugs into this country than all of those boats combined. >> Yes. I don't understand that at all. >> Okay. It's because Donald Trump is [ __ ] crooked. >> He's crooked. >> This is a business transaction for >> I just I just hope I just hope there's another reason because it does not make sense and it's not right. I do know that >> another reason. That's why you're grasping at straws here. Like there's got to be >> I'm not grasping. I'm telling you. Big question mark for sure. Not right. >> So, does it make you not trust him? >> A little bit. >> Good. Okay, >> that's progress. That's great. >> When these things happen, when he does things that are like contrary to what you believe his ideology is, >> you have to look at these moments and ask yourself, why is he doing this? >> He said this other thing, >> but I truly believe those boats he's shooting do have drugs on them. And he's trying to stop that coming into the United States. >> That's all fine >> if you believe that. >> I do. You believe that he's trying to stop drugs from coming to the United States, but he's pardoning a guy who has brought more drugs in than all of those boats put together. So, one of those things is not lining up. He's either lying to you about the boats, >> right? >> Mhm. >> Or he's got some super bizarre secret agenda that we couldn't know anything about [clears throat] for releasing this guy from a 45-year prison sentence for bringing drugs. >> That's what I was hoping. That's what I was hoping. >> But what could that possibly be? >> I have no idea. Isn't it more likely that he's lying about the boats? Because look at the boats. The the information we have about these boats he's blowing up is zero. There is no proof ever given that there are drugs on any of these boats. >> We don't even get names of people on the boats. We don't even know what the what's on the boats, who's manning the boats. We've not had any of that information. >> The only information we have >> some of that >> we have and it came from Venezuela. They said that there were fishermen on one of the boats. They're just annihilating fishermen. >> I'll try to research more on that one. But the other one, >> is it possible, let me take you down this path. Is it possible that annihilating these drug boats was the first step in inching closer toward declaring war on Venezuela? >> Yes. >> Oh, they are sending these drugs. We're killing these people. Now he's shut down uh airspace over Venezuela and he's threatening on Truth Social, boots on the ground type [ __ ] in Venezuela. I think Trump wants a war. He wants an easy one that he knows he can win and he's picked Venezuela. And so I think destroying these boats is his first kind of step getting us used to the idea that Venezuela is our enemy and we've been killing them already. Now it's time to go in and clean house. That's what I think he's doing. >> Yeah. your opinion. I I don't know. I just don't like the other guy being released. That's ridiculous. >> But you can't just say I don't know and write a question mark on a piece of paper. You have to think about this. >> I have to think. I have to see more. I'm visual. I got to see. >> But she has she has admitted that she does not trust him. That this act makes you not trust him. not trust him a tiny bit, but I think he's making our America better >> with all of these pardons. I mean, this is a it's hard to say that it's the craziest one. I think the Binance guy was probably the craziest one to me cuz that's just at its face like, oh, you gave me $2 billion, get out of jail free. He's just being paid off basically. But, um, this one is wild because this guy committed like a criminal act that is in direct opposition to military strikes. He's actively carrying out. He's saying, "I'm killing these drug boats. No more drugs in America." By the way, this guy who sent more drugs into America than anybody else. Walk free. Enjoy your life. >> That doesn't line up right. >> They have a deal. He made a deal with this man. >> Don't you think he'll talk eventually? >> He already did. He was sentenced to 45 years in prison. What? Talk about what? >> Don't you think he's going to talk? Why he why Trump let him go? >> No, he's going to do whatever Trump says because Trump owns him now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. When you brought up pardons, that made me think of the autopin thing, too. >> Oh my god. >> Did you hear that? >> That he's going to try and reverse all pardons. >> Every one of them. >> Good luck. >> If family better start running. >> Good luck. If I got pardoned at any point for anything by anyone and cop showed up at my door and said, "Pardon's been overturned, >> I ain't going." Sorry. Somebody's going to have some a big problem here. There's no [ __ ] way. I Who's going to let them take them back to jail after being pardoned? >> We'll see what happens to the Biden family. >> Okay, let's move on to topic number three. No reports. Also this week, Trump canled the release of the third quarter GDP report and the third quarter jobs report simultaneously. The cancellation or delay in releasing data was not limited to GDP and jobs. The administration also skipped or postponed other key economic reports including the October inflation report. This means there is no official October 2025 unemployment information. There is no advanced estimate of Q3 GDP. There is no inflation data and additional metrics like consumer spending, savings, retail sales, etc. Uh they've all reportedly been delayed or their release pushed back. This is the first time in US history all these reports have been withheld from the public at the same time. Mom, why is he hiding these reports? >> I do have information on this. He's not hiding them. It said due to disruptions caused by the recent government shutdown, >> yeah, >> that the data wouldn't be reliable until a little bit more in the future. They will be released and it has something our government shutdown for that many days. They don't have the complete data. >> Um once it's all gathered, it would be released. But there was a projection by two different places. One projected that it would be somewhere around 3.1 fairly solid rate, but then another place said um 1.3. So that's a wide range of what they think it might be. >> Okay. So, you're belie >> I'm believing this. It will be released in the future. >> Just like those Epstein files, >> they're going to be released within 30 days. They have 30 days to get them out there >> and time's ticking. They don't have 30 days anymore. They've got >> Yeah, it's 20 something. >> Um, okay. So, you believe the lie they're telling you that the government shutdown, that's why we're not releasing any of these reports, any of these financial reports. >> You believe it's a lie? I do not. >> Our economy is in the tank. It's in the tank. People cannot afford to buy homes, groceries, medical. It's in the tank. Everybody is poor as [ __ ] They cannot afford to live. I just saw a graphic that said like a family of four, their grocery bill now every month is like almost $1,500. Most people can't afford that. >> Wow. I couldn't afford that. I I've never >> My personal bill with my food distributor for Thanksgiving, I had to order twice. It was over 10 grand. That's a small business. People can't afford that. >> No. >> And then I have to hike my prices up to recoup what I spend on groceries. And people don't want to pay that. >> The economy is in the tank. >> I hear you saying that. And I mean, I shop smart. I'm a smart shopper. When I go to the grocery store and stuff, I really haven't seen our food bill rise the way you're saying yours has. >> Okay. Well, I have I buy groceries for a family of four now. >> Okay. >> And our grocery bill is like outrageous. My bill for the bakery outrageous. >> I've always bought the same for me and dad. I've even got a little bit more or I can't talk today. Organic stuff and I I'm I'm honest here. I have not seen our bill go up that much. >> You don't buy very Yeah, I have as well. >> What? >> Okay. >> But beyond our own personal anecdotes, the news here is that the Trump administration is >> withholding >> information that comes out every quarter. And this information is what a lot of different financial institutions base certain rates on and and certain kind of future casting. It's what many businesses base their hiring practices on or or what they think is coming up in the next quarter in terms of what they're going to be able to sell, buy, import, export, etc., etc. It's what a lot of businesses kind of like fix their financial strategies on these numbers and now they've just disappeared. >> You don't think it's possible >> that Trump is hiding these numbers because they're terrible? No, even if they're lower, they will be released. But it had to do with the government shutdown with people not buying stuff there for a second before the snap got going again. Maybe that was it. >> What? >> You he has the worst rating of any president in the history of the United States. >> Yeah, I didn't put that on here, but his disapproval rating is at like 64% or something. He's he's got the worst approval rating almost of his entire tenure as president. He had a slightly lower one at the very end of his first term. At least >> he doesn't have my disapproval. >> But he does have you questioning him. The question >> a little with that one drug thing. That that doesn't make sense. >> All right. So that's the the crack in the armor. We're starting to see it. Let's move on to a simmer down. Although this has been kind of simmered down cuz dad's not here because is he in the background listening to this? >> No. >> I can't believe he's butt hurt by this. >> Well, >> it's like a little baby man. >> Welcome to my world. Yes. [laughter] >> All right. Well, well, we're going to see you very soon. >> It is true. Whenever I'm home, he'll he'll just sit in his little Captain Kirk chair and like, "Mary, give me a diet soda. Mary, get me a snack. Yeah. Just sits in that [ __ ] chair like he's Captain Kirk, like >> drinking his poisons. >> Yes. >> Okay, for the simmer down this week, Mom, we're all going to do this, but mom, it's almost specifically directed at you. You are talking all the time, you and dad both on this show about how you're Christian, Christian values, Catholic, blah blah blah. >> You're not. >> I want you. Don't say that again or you're going to piss me off and you guys may not be let in the front door. Go ahead. >> I want to right now ask you to describe God >> to me and we know this is everybody's different. He's a higher power than I am. He's something. >> Wait, let's stop right there. You say he. So you believe this >> God has a penis in your mind. >> I think it's I think God is he is a >> What does that mean to you? What does that mean? God is a he. How do you determine that? >> I just look at him as a male, I guess. >> With a penis. Is that what you're saying? >> Is it Jesus? >> Is it Jesus? >> Yes, that's what I look I guess. >> Okay. >> But you're not talking about Jesus. >> I'm talking about God. >> Dad. >> Okay. >> Every night when I pray, I pray to God. >> A man. >> Yes. >> Okay. When I need help with something, I ask for help. Um, >> I just think there's got to be something bigger out there because when I die, I just don't want that to be it. >> Yeah, of course. I'm not I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about that. >> My mom, my dad, >> I'm not talking about that. What do you think God is like? You've said a man. That's all we've got so far. >> Yes, it's a man. It's He helps me if I need guidance. If I need an answer to something I can't figure out. >> Okay. >> If I need help, >> but what are this man's qualities? >> Been in bad health, I pray to God. >> I You're talking about you. What are the qualities of God? >> Oh, to give people strength, to give them direction, to give them love, to give them kindness, to make them feel important. >> Okay. >> To answer their prayers, to help people in life. >> Okay. And do you believe that God extends these qualities to all human beings? >> If they ask, yes, you have to ask and he will. >> Okay. >> And so do you think that these qualities should be extended to like the people that ice is rounding up and stuff? >> I think they should be extended to everyone. >> Okay. >> That would accept him. >> But you and dad don't extend those same things to everyone. >> Would extend what? What are you talking about? >> Kindness, love, acceptance, help. He needs He needs more God. >> Who does? >> Dad. >> No, I'm saying you and dad both don't. You told me last week on this show when I was asking you what do you think Jesus would say about ICE raiding churches, you said he would say to go in there and get the bad guys. >> Yes. >> Okay. That's kind of what I was getting at. Your your idea of God doesn't quite match up to your idea of humanity, I think. But it's interesting that you you believe God is a man. Yes. When I pray, I I pray to God who I think is a man. >> And that Do you have like an image of that God in your mind? >> More of what Jesus looks like, I guess. >> What does Jesus look like? >> Long hair, dark longer hair. >> A beautiful man with piercing eyes >> in a white [clears throat] in a white robe >> with his sandals. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, >> go ahead. Laugh. Go ahead. I know. >> You think Jesus was a white man? >> Yes. The one I prayed to is okay. >> No, that's not right. According to your Christian Bible, that's not right. >> What am I supposed to say? He's black, brown, purple, green. What am I supposed to say? >> He's brown. >> Fine. Brown >> according to your Bible. >> He's a white man. >> All right. He should he should just give hope and and and help people along the way, which is what he does. >> All the firstborn, >> but you have to accept him, too. I mean, you have to say that you believe in God for starters. You can't just sit around and think, "Oh, God, you better help me." >> Why not? >> Why not? >> Well, I mean, you do have to ask for it, but you have to believe in him also. That's the way I think. Uh, Haley, your description of God. >> Um, I don't think about this as much as you guys do. Apparently, I know there's something bigger. There is no gender attached to it. It's almost like a nothingness, you know, like you look up the sky and it's vast and it goes on for eternity and it feels like I can't comprehend maybe what exists beyond this physical life. Um, you know, because you start thinking about sure this is Earth and sure we all live here, but like there's an infinite universe and that thought is like is time real? Is space real? what created all of this. I can't even begin to wrap my brain around something like that. And the possibility that I will come back after I die as potentially something or someone else and that I never really die. I mean, there's so many things to think about. My stupid brain can't like really tell you what God is. There's just something that's bigger, that's greater, but it's vast. And it's something I can't quite comprehend, I don't think. But certainly there is no gender and there is no face to it and it's not wearing a [ __ ] robe and sandals. Um I just can't really >> but laugh and ch >> It's not a person. >> My god. That's my god. >> It's not a person. >> Yeah. >> I tend to agree. To each their own obviously whatever gets you through the day. Whatever. >> If you don't believe though in the end you're screwed. >> I don't think that's true either. >> Neither do I. I don't think you have to believe in I mean there there is something >> that's that's like an authoritarian kind of thing and I think that's why you plug into Trump so well this idea that there's a vengeful God and if you don't follow that god's commands and if you don't believe that that god is the only god you will burn hell there is an eternal punishment for not believing correctly or not being subservient enough >> that's like part of the motive behind all these organized religions is that it controls you by fear if I don't do what you tell me to do, I'm going to burn in hell. There's this fear element that a lot of organized religions, if not all, they beat that [ __ ] into you. And so, you grow up thinking, well, I've got to be good. I've got to follow this this rule, this law of the land, or I'm going to go to hell or whatever it may be. But I just simply don't believe in any of that. Catholics, Catholics believe when you die your soul either heaven, hell or purgatory, >> which from there you can go up or down. >> And that makes you scared. Therefore, you believe and you want to prove yourself worthy of your God. >> I want to go somewhere after I die. I just don't want it to be over. >> But you will. >> You are going to. I think >> Chad will come to me in his thoughts. Maybe >> probably vice versa. and dad. Swedish sugar. >> Do you think though that dream like when you dream about dead people, do you think that they're there? Like that's like you're connecting with them. >> They come and talk to me. Yeah. And my animals. I still haven't got kitty. I'm like >> I do I do have dreams about dead people >> in my life. >> Coming to talk to you. >> And I think that's what that is. >> That's God. >> All right. Interesting answers from everyone. Let's move on to uh our next topic. The ceasefire backfired since Trump bragged about ending the war in Gaza with his ceasefire deal signed on October 10th. Israel has killed hundreds more Palestinians with this week being the worst since the deal was made. Israel launched three attacks this week that targeted tents, sheltering displaced people, killing a total of 78, many of whom were women and children. Trump ceasefire has reportedly been violated by Israel nearly 500 times in 44 days. To date, at least 70,000 people have been killed in Gaza, and there are no signs of that slowing down. Mom, did the ceasefire work? >> Part of it did that. We got our prisoners out. Remember, that was a big deal. We got the prisoners back that we needed and bodies. >> That was the only part I think that worked. When Trump said he had there was like 20 different points in that peace plan, I was like, "Oh god, where's this going to go?" didn't go well. >> So he failed. So he failed. >> Well, >> he failed to a peace deal. >> Yeah, it's it has fallen apart. It has. >> And he's still perpetuating the idea that he solved that war. >> No, it he has not solved. >> So you're acknowledging he's lying about that. >> I wouldn't say lying. Maybe he does believe he did, but he didn't. >> How does he believe it? I This is the news I have. He has better intelligence on this than us. >> And I'm able to tell you that what was the stat? Israel has broke violated this agreement 500 times in 44 days. >> Yeah. Israel's not going to stop till everyone's dead. And that's that's so sad. I don't know. Yeah. >> Okay. But you're admitting here so far this episode we've made some progress. I think you're saying you disagree with him pardoning the Honduras uh Honduran drug lord. >> Yes. Yes. >> And you're saying his ceasefire in Gaza, which he touts as one of the eight wars he's ended or whatever >> is not over. That that deal has completely fallen apart. >> But even though I have said those two things about those two topics, doesn't mean I don't like him as the president of United States. >> Yeah, that's totally fine. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying you're getting to a point where you can disagree with his policies. You can see through some of his lies. You can acknowledge that he is, at least in this capacity, terrible at making this deal. >> He is not infallible. >> We all hoped that this would work. I hoped it in the very beginning. >> Yes, of course. >> Has fallen apart. >> But part of that is because of just like you're saying, there was a 20point plan that he laid out. Yeah. >> It wasn't simple. this I mean that entire region solving any of those problems is never going to be simple. These are are deep-seated kind of hostilities that this side has against this side and you know it's not something that I even think an American president can step in and be like here's how to do it. But if there was an American president who could step in and make that deal it clearly is not Trump. >> Well that deal maybe not but it sure looks like uh Ukraine deal is going through. Maybe we'll see. See, does it I I made we have a a sponsor on the show called Ground News, which I got to get you to use every once in a while, Mom. I think you would like it. But um I just did a little ad for them in our Instagram talking about this very thing that the right is really reporting like the Ukraine deal is almost signed, the war's almost over, and then the left is reporting that Zalinsky is like what? I haven't I'm not agreeing to any of this. >> So it doesn't look like it's actually going to happen. But Trump is putting out the idea that we're so close to a peace deal in Ukraine and it's like nothing could be further from the truth. It's a lie. >> Okay, we'll see. >> All right, moving on. I think you're running out of steam here. Um, let's just cut to number six. >> Why do you get to do the commercials? Is a 70-year-old too old to do a commercial? >> I think uh coaching you through reading it would just take a lot of time. It would be like a whole afternoon gone. >> But whatever. We can do one. If you want to do one with me, I'll do one with you. >> I'll do my own commercials. My >> No, I'll do one with you. Let me see what Let me see what I can put together. We'll We can do one. >> Yeah. You got to talk about sex, >> guys. Find a t Find a Tik Tok trend so when we're all home together, we can do that. >> I already have one. >> You find one. >> Okay. >> Number six. This is our last topic probably. Don't look behind the curtain. Last week, Alon Musk launched a new quote about this account feature on X that allows users to see the country or region an account is based in. Almost immediately after the roll out, users and investigators discovered that many prominent proTrump and MAGA accounts that claimed to be US-based were in fact based in foreign countries including Nigeria, India, and Eastern Europe, uh, Thailand, other Asian or non- US regions as well. The revelation triggered widespread concern about foreign influence operations, troll farms, and misleading content posing as grassroots American political sentiment. Within 24 hours of the roll out, X took the feature down. One of the most prolific accounts discovered to have been based in India has been reshared by Trump repeatedly. >> Wow. >> Mom, who do you think controls these proTrump accounts in other countries? >> See, I had two different thoughts. I think those are fake accounts because those people are trying to monitoriize, right? >> Monetize. >> Yeah. Monetize. >> Monetize. >> Monetize. [laughter] Trying to do that. >> Monetize. Paralyze [laughter] >> for for money. So most of those are fake accounts. But then but but does it matter? I mean those matter. They're fake. >> How are how are you monetizing a Twitter account? >> It is set up by >> you're the one >> the government, >> right? >> They are nothing but it's just propaganda and like troll accounts and the government has set this [ __ ] up. But because because they're run over there doesn't mean like they don't believe the same stuff that they're spewing out, right? >> Well, that's the Yes. The implication is that these are not people who are big fans of Trump. These are political interests. These these are governments essentially who have some vested interest in keeping you MAGA the Trump supporters locked in this cycle of watching their media. It it is propaganda designed to entrap you >> created by other governments and it is working. And then as soon as this feature rolled out, Elon Musk was like, "Oh [ __ ] take it down." Because he doesn't want that information to be found out. He's on the side of the people using propaganda to control you. >> Okay, I kind of understand that. Now, what about the part u he also now has like you can see how many times people Google you. What's that about? >> That's that's been a feature of Google for a long time, but that has nothing to do with this. >> Okay, >> we need to focus on this. Don't get distracted. >> [laughter] >> The information that this is bringing to light is that many MAGA accounts on Twitter are not from America. They are from other countries and they are using these accounts to brainwash you. >> Are you sure these accounts are not like Trump's like Trump's accounts that he's paying people over there to do it? >> Why would he? >> Because he doesn't have time. Why is he paying someone in Nigeria to make a Twitter account supporting him? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's not right. Yeah. >> Okay. So, you can see this is another piece of the puzzle that you're being lied to by the people at the very top. Elon Musk took this feature with within 24 hours. Elon Musk was like, "Oh, [ __ ] Take that down. Don't let them see that." >> Huh. >> He [ __ ] up. He thought this was going to be, "Oh, this would be an interesting feature." And then like, "Oh, [ __ ] [laughter] They're seeing through the curtain. We got to we got to take that down immediately. Elon Musk, who you would agree at at least for the first six months of this presidency, he was Trump's closest supporter, closest friend, he was in the White House, all that [ __ ] >> They're still friends, I think. >> Okay, great. They're still friends. This guy doesn't want you to see where the Twitter accounts are coming from. Why do you think that is? >> Yeah, I get it. I get that. >> So, >> do you understand that you are being fed this propaganda? You are the target. >> No, I only follow the accounts that are the real people. Real people. >> That's what this proves. You don't know who the real people are. You can't. >> And you're the you are the target. >> How do you know the real >> That's This whole thing exposed the fact that at least some of the biggest accounts are not American. They are these these troll farm, click fararm bots, Russian accounts, Nigerian accounts, whatever. >> Why isn't our government taking them all down? >> Because they want you to see it. >> And they want you to not know where it comes from. That's why he took that feature away. >> Okay. It's propaganda. >> You know how Nazis, you know how they just reeled people in with all their propaganda >> and it was all a farce and they were just murdering Jewish people left and right, but they made you think that like, no, we should be doing this. Yeah, that's cool. It's all propaganda. It's fake [ __ ] >> There's so much fake news all over. What do you believe? No, but you're not you're you're dismissing this with weird platitudes. Oh, fake news everywhere. What do you believe? >> I hear what you're saying. I hear it. >> Okay. And what is your reaction to that? >> What? Three out of seven topics. >> What? >> Out of all the topics we did today, three are making me think. >> So, does this make you think like maybe the news that you're consuming isn't truth? >> No. Newsmax is good. We like Newsmax. >> God. [clears throat] >> Okay. What this exposes is that there is a network of propaganda that is designed to make you love Trump. >> No, you love Trump or you don't. It's okay. >> No, but the one of the reasons you love Trump is because there is so much [ __ ] in your face constantly saying, "Love Trump. He's the best. Love Trump. He's the best." Now you're finding out some of the top accounts that are pushing that ideology are literally fake coming from other countries who have vested interest in fracturing this country in getting Trump to have a cult because when he's in power they have more power. They can buy his influence if they want. that just the fact that America is in a state of chaos kind of constantly and our stock in the world is [ __ ] dropping like a rock because of these Venezuelan boat murders, multiple allied countries with us, like England for example, are now refusing to share information with us about Venezuela. You don't think that makes us weaker? >> We're losing allies. We're losing like the good guy allies. That's a wrap. [laughter] >> Okay. Jesus Christ. Well, this was a fun one. Um, I do think we've made some progress in this episode, strangely. >> If he's in those Epstein files, like, you're done, right? >> What? >> If he's in the Epstein files, you're done. >> He's in the Epstein files as the FBI informant guy that took everybody down. that took Epstein down. That's why his name's in there so many times. Thank you for my chocolate pie, Haley. [laughter] >> Okay, well, I guess that's the end of the show. My mom is is hitting the off button here. Um, thank you everyone for joining us. I do think strangely this episode might have been um one of the best we've ever had in terms of getting mom to open your eyes a little. Just because we don't have >> Shelby, open open your eyes. >> Yeah, because it's two against one. I'm bringing another one back. >> Two against one. >> You held up a piece of paper with a [ __ ] question mark on it. We didn't make you do that. >> He'll be back after after a while. Maybe. >> I don't think we were mean. We weren't mean to you. >> Okay. I have stuff that I could dish on both of you right now to embarrass the [ __ ] out of you and say things, but I would never do that because I love >> dish anything on you. Somebody asked me in that live. >> I know why he's happy. >> Why are you dragging me into this? I was not even present [laughter] for this conversation. >> I know why he's happy. >> No, I said it was a a thought that I had because he was acting so strange. I mean, it's uncharacteristic to see dad be anything other than just like a ragefilled [ __ ] >> And you didn't even acknowledge the trick we were on. Honestly, maybe put some of that THC oil in his food before an episode. >> When I told him that what you said and stuff, he goes, "I'm never going to be nice again on that podcast." [laughter] >> So, it'll be just like it's always been great. >> Yeah. >> Um, we should, by the way, when we're all going to be there next weekend, we should all smoke weed. >> Are you Oh my gosh. In your dreams, maybe. I will never do that. I will never eat a gummy. >> You'll eat a gummy. >> We ate a gummy to try to get to sleep one night. I will never smoke grass. You can't six foot under when I >> We can go to the whatever the mango, whatever that shop is. They have oil and they have gummies. Mom and dad will eat those. >> Okay, >> you've done it before. You'll do it again. >> I'm not smoking grass. try to get to sleep and it did knocked him out. >> We'll get you a very mild 100 mgram gummy. >> 100 m. No, >> that's fine. That's fine. We'll get something like that. >> No. >> Um, anyways, thank you everyone for joining us. That concludes this very mild episode with some progress made. >> Some progress made. The question mark, I will forever remember that question mark. Mom, I think it's a good sign. Think deeply about that over the course of this week. If you would try to put an answer where that question mark is. That's the next phase of this. >> I also got my kitty cat picture. So, we need to show those and thank that woman. I got them both now. >> Oh, nice. >> I sent that picture to you, Chad. >> Yeah, I mean to commission something from her as well. I like her art. >> Well, beautiful. >> Thank you everyone for joining us. Thank both of you for joining me. Dad is just being a little baby, but thank you mom. keep this up single. So, I'll bring another MAGA friend on. >> What do you mean you can't keep it up single? >> If dad doesn't come back, I need someone else to help me. >> Why? >> I see. >> Cuz it's two against one. >> What does that mean, though? >> It's not a battle. It's not like we're talking. >> It feels like one. >> Okay. Well, despite the battle, Mom, I love you. Thank you for doing this podcast for as long as you have. Thank you for being here every week. You really are the only one who has been. You're not gallivanting. You're not being a baby. Uh [laughter] Haley, uh thank you for doing this podcast. I love you for taking intermittent breaks from gallivanting to do this show with us. >> Really? >> I love you. >> I love you, Chad. I love you. Tell dad I love him. I have some gallivanting coming up also, by the way. >> Well, well, so we're all going to be home >> next weekend. >> Mhm. >> And then I guess for Christmas. Really? For Christmas, I'm going to gallivant, but I will pro I'll have access that I can do the pod. >> Yeah. >> And then we're coming to your house anyway for a day. >> I assume we're going to shoot on Saturday. >> What? next weekend. >> Sure, whatever. We're all going to be there. >> Yeah, I'm bringing my cameras. I'm bringing some mics, so everything should be fine. Um, join us for that. It'll be a very special, interesting episode where we're all in person in the same room. And also, I'm going to start doing lives on YouTube every Sunday night. So, that will be tonight. If you're listening here to the very end of the podcast, tonight at 6:00 p.m. PST, that is 900 p.m. on the East Coast. I'll be doing a live. I'll answer any questions you might have about this very episode that we just finished doing or anything else about the podcast. >> Please talk about me >> because I can't I'm not there to you know stand up to you. >> A lot of people do not know that I am the owner of Hive Bakery. They're they're coming through like my [ __ ] is hidden there for you page on Tik Tok and they're like, "Wait, you own a bakery?" Yeah, guys, I own a bakery. It's called Hive Bakery in Flower Mount, Texas. Go follow me. I'm on every [ __ ] social media that you can imagine. Just Hive Bakery. >> Hi. >> It's me. >> All right. Thanks everybody for joining us. We will be back on Wednesday perhaps. Do you want to do a show Wednesday, Mom, or are you [laughter] You're tired of doing solo stuff. You know what? >> I can at 7 >> and I'm in my pajamas at 7. We'll see. I'll see how I feel on Wednesday. If Haley can do one early, >> there will be some kind of a midweek episode. Join us for that. We don't know who will be on it. It will be me and someone. Maybe me and dad solo episode. >> I'll do it. >> I'll do it if he will. >> All right. Bye. >> Bye. >> Bye.