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In the aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule, now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the necessary conversation. I'm Chad Kultgen with me is my sister today, Haley Pop. Looking happy. And me mother, Mary Lou Kultgen.
Um we have a lot to discuss. Mom, do you have ditties before we jump into topics like public executions, another ice shooting, Trump cozying up to Putin, Trump being a sore loser of the Nobel Peace Prize once again? That's a long one. Russian plague being unleashed upon the world. And we have a new press secretary incoming who has some problematic tweets in her past. Before we get to any of that, Mom, do you have ditties?
No, cuz I saw we were fully loaded. So, let's go with it. Haley, ditties? Not really I don't know. I just read that Harry Styles at his concert like denounced ICE and was like telling people you got to be nice to people and [ __ ] cuz he's at Madison Square Garden in New York City. So, like, [ __ ] yeah. Celebrities like standing up for the right [ __ ]
Mhm. Um except for Taylor Swift. But, um yeah, they're doing it. They're doing it. Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Harry Styles, um Hayley Williams who I [ __ ] love. She's doing the most of any celebrity. Well, Miss Rachel is also doing the most. And Macklemore like whole ass is in it.
When shooting stars in the night sky like it's night time, I could really use a wish right now. Wish right now. Wish right now.
That's disrespectful. She's got She's got so many like no. Hayley Williams star in the shooting sky does a shooting night. Let's get Hayley Williams on the pod Let's try to get Hayley Williams on the pod.
Let's listen to her. Or Lee Greenwood. I'm proud to be an American. [singing] Where at least I know I'm free. Willie Nelson. proud to stand beside myself when I can't do this for me.
I proudly get up Stand up. with America to do something for you. And I could do one thing right now. anyway. Don't make fun of it.
Harry Styles did his did his due diligence, so I was happy to see that. If you want to get Hayley Williams on the show, I think it's a very easy thing to do. You just send an email and say we're both named Hayley, you have to do this. That's the law.
Maybe I've already done that, but I have no response. I'm trying every avenue of trying to get Hayley Williams. as evidenced by my singing of it, my tribute.
And again, this week we have a question from a viewer. Her newest album is like highly politicized, also. And every We went and saw her in concert, and she literally said like [ __ ] ICE.
Nice. Love her. All right. Well, let's move on then to our listener question. If you have a question out there, all you have to do is record it in a 1-minute or shorter video format. Email it to the necessary [email protected]. Put in the subject line question, and only email it once. This week we got a few people emailing their question like 100 times.
Had to make sure. That won't work. Had to make sure. All right. Here we go. Here's our question for this week. Hello, Cultch and Family. I have a question for Chad and Hayley. Um do you believe that your parents, especially Bob, is a a narcissist? And if you do, if so, do you think this is going to be a problem in your life down the road?
Um and for Mary Lou, I have a question because I think she's the only one who can answer me. Is um does Bob watch your episodes when he's not on them anymore? And does he correct Mary Lou's answers on the episodes? Um that's all. I love the show. I can't wait every Monday morning to watch them from the Netherlands in Europe. And I hope you have a great day. Bye.
The Netherlands. Okay, so Haley, I'll go to you. Do you think Mom and Dad are narcissists? That was uh the primary question there.
You're going to get mad at me, but yeah. Holy [ __ ] I don't think so. A little bit. You don't think there's any gaslight, gaslight gatekeep girlboss, little manipulation, little
Absolutely, but I don't think it's from narcissism. I think Dad grew up I mean, for his whole life had this I we when we had um our therapist on, she was talking to Dad about his childhood and I think it's primarily that that he was abandoned as a kid. And so he developed this psychology that was like, "Fuck the world. It's me against everybody." Because narcissists don't uh for my understanding Look, I'm not a Let me preface everything I'm about to say. I'm not a psychologist, psychiatrist. I don't know any of this [ __ ] for real for real. But we all look at the internet.
Um I think he does have a huge capacity for empathy. For us, for like when we were kids, you've even told stories about how he would help uh girls on your softball team when they couldn't afford equipment or whatever, you know. Always very nice to our friends and stuff like that or people that are around them. Mom tells stories of how they helped certain people here and there, whatever. I think he does have the capacity for empathy.
It's just locked away under this system of walls he's built up to kind of keep the world out because I think he felt as a kid completely abandoned. So, he's like, "Fuck everybody." And I don't think that that that those walls have been able to not be torn down, obviously, but um not even examined at this point.
yeah, to your point, I don't think any of it is done in malice. I don't think that there's like an agenda behind it, I suppose.
Yeah. Um yeah. Okay. That's fair. It's that he finds enemies in everyone. Whereas a narcissist, I think is mainly about like, "I'm the greatest." I don't think he's like that.
That's fair. Yeah. Well, his mom is like that. I do believe that. I believe what Chad just said, and I do believe because he was born, and then 3 days later his mother left and walked out of the hospital, never came back, and he knows this because we found the records, he feels abandoned, and for the rest of his life he wanted to prove that he's good, that he's a good person.
Mhm. [laughter] By advocating for genocide? No, like to do the very best he could his whole life because he felt like he was abandoned.
And that was just like maybe not like to prove he's a good person, just to prove like his worth. He's trying to prove his worth. Yeah.
And that, too, like his his motto or whatever, the way he kind of led his life was like to prove that worth through hard work, diligence, and loyalty. Whereas I think, again, not a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, but I think narcissists don't do that. I think they are about manipulation of other people and stuff so that they can get to the top or whatever. Whereas Dad was like, "Fuck it, I'll outwork everybody."
Yeah, that's a fair point. I guess you're right. [snorts] And uh the question directed to me, he's watched a few of the short shorts that Chad's made and he laughs about those. He has not watched any of the full podcast from start to finish since he's been off. I mean,
He's never read a single one of your books. Yeah. Um the last one I said, "Do you want to watch some of this? This was very interesting. It was a guy that was in the Moonies, the Unification Church." He said, "Nah, I'll look at it later." And he hasn't yet.
Mhm. Um we hope to have him back to do a couple little rants now and then. He does, once I get done, he'll ask me, "What did you talk about?" I'll explain. Then he'll start and then So, he's still in the know.
Record him. When when you tell him that stuff, do a little recording of it and send it to me and I'll I'll put it up somewhere.
I can. Okay. Let's move on to our first topic of this week. Public executions. On Thursday, Trump and Hegseth happily announce they're going to perform an execution by firing squad and they'll live stream it on the internet for everyone to watch, including children. This historic first US military online execution is scheduled for broadcast on December 3rd, just in time for Christmas. The man facing execution is former Army Major Nidal Hasan, who in 2009 killed 13 people at Fort Hood in Texas. He was convicted of 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder by a military jury.
It will be the first US military execution since 1961. Pete Hegseth argued that people need to understand there are serious consequences for crimes like these, but after the online backlash and Trump's record low approval ratings, Trump himself is flip-flopping, saying he hasn't made a final decision a day after telling reporters he had approved the plan, saying, "By showing it, maybe other people won't be doing what he did."
Very few nations still execute people publicly. According to Amnesty International, Afghanistan, Yemen, North Korea, and Somalia are the only known countries to carry out public executions. Mom, do you think public executions are Christian?
Christian like eye for an eye, you mean? I Public I is, do you think killing somebody in public for the entire society to see, including children, is a Christian thing to do? Do you think it's upholding Christian ideals?
I believe no, but when I You know, last night after half of my Ambien, I started texting you saying I'd do this topic. But [laughter] anyway, I did do some research.
Okay, hang on. Hang on a minute though. Hang on. I just wanted get into this point. I know. I heard that question. was executed publicly.
Right. I heard that question. I was going to say that. I was also going to say that back in 1608, public exec- executions um the first guy in Virginia was executed by firing squad in front of everyone, children, men, women.
So, you want to go back to 1608? You think that was a good time? I mean there's a reason that we don't do it anymore. It's like dehumanizing. It's meant to [ __ ] it's meant to butter you up for more [ __ ] like this, to desensitize you. And it's dehumanizing.
Okay. I believe this. The guy at Fort Hood knew exactly what he was doing. It was premeditated. He didn't kill 13, it was 14 including the baby that was in the one lady's stomach.
Okay. He wounded how many? 30 um a lot more. Yeah. Most states now do it state by state. Most states do lethal injection. Some do electrocution.
Okay. the lady in Tennessee, my lord, botched execution. We know about that. Horrendous. Uh-huh. She's now up walking back in prison. Ridiculous. Um I thought about this and I thought about way back in Kansas, there was the Clutter murders. Um and in the country, a husband, a wife, their two children were murdered terribly by two guys. These guys, back in 1965, were hung in Kansas.
Okay. Um not publicly. What's your [ __ ] point? I'm trying to get to this. I don't I don't like the December 3 guy publicly being executed. Do I believe he should be executed? Yes.
Okay. Publicly, where I mean I mean on TV, no. But publicly, to be on TV. him be executed and you were one of those family members that lost someone, hell yes. Let one of them have the bullet in the gun. Hell yes. Eye for an eye. I do believe in that. I read a story. There was one of the victims, he was shot seven times that day.
Al- Alonzo Lunsford. He was a staff sergeant. He survived being shot seven times that day by that creep. His answer, he said, "It's complicated." He said, "Do I want him executed? Yes. Would he prefer um if he goes, "I will witness it myself. I would prefer not be televised.
Right. Because if a child walks in and not monitored, we don't want children to watch that. But he said, "If you want to see him executed, yes." He said, "I will never walk again and I'll live with pain the rest of my life because of that man.
It's all sad. We understand like forgiven him due to faith. He has forgiven him, but I have not forgiven the execution of him.
You're missing the whole point of this conversation. Sorry, Haley. Do you have something? I just want to point out that your boy Charlie Kirk wanted this very thing for that very reason so children could witness it.
Well, I will also point out that when Charlie Kirk was shot and uh executed more or less on the TV in front of all of our eyes
No. Wrong. people on your side dressed up in Halloween costumes making fun of it. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Charlie Kirk was not publicly executed. He was not a criminal. He was not put through due process and a date and time and a date and time was not given for you to tune in to his execution by a military firing squad. But he advocated
that. He said, in fact, have Coca-Cola sponsor it. Make it a [ __ ] event. That's the guy that Charlie Kirk is, was.
So [snorts] Okay. I I agree with Chad. It's not an execution. He was shot. He was shot before our eyes. So, this is the question that I'm
on in Halloween costumes making fun of him and all kinds of stuff. Okay. Forget Charlie Kirk, Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with this. Once again, you are pivoting to something that is unrelated. The question I'm trying to ask you is do you think it is upholding Christian values to advertise, to market and to schedule a public execution and to have United States military members carry that out on live TV. What do you think that's going to do to the morale of this country when we see uh six Marines or army soldiers shooting a person on television.
Number one, it may not be on TV. It may not be the same thing. whatever. Right. Just to say that that it's being televised. I don't like that it's being televised.
Okay. I don't like the feel where grab your popcorn, let's watch this. No, that is not Christian. That is not right. Okay. But I do believe in an eye for an eye.
That's fine. Nobody Listen. be the one pulling the gun. Mom, no one is saying he shouldn't be executed. We are talking about the fact that Pete Hegseth stood out there that day when the USS Abraham Lincoln came back from the longest deployment ever of any ship in the history of the United States. And that moment should have been about saying, "Welcome home. So sorry that you guys were out there. Thank you for your service." And instead, the first time he's interviewed, he's like, "We're going to do a public execution.
Can't wait." These This is uh to the point that these people, Hegseth and Trump, are not Christian. They say they are. They hold up the Bible. And then they do things like this that are as anti-Christian as it gets. This is how Jesus Christ was killed.
And you told us that he's going to get rid of Hegseth. Just watch. Just give it time. He ain't getting rid of him. He's letting him [ __ ] execute people on TV. I I it it still is not 100% that it's going to be streamed live as of yesterday.
That That cannot ever be an excuse that you do again. It's not going to happen. They are saying it is. They are trying to do it. They want to do it.
If it does not happen, that's not because they don't want it. It's because they see that the public is like, "Oh, this is crazy. You better not do this." And then they back off from it. They are the ones who came up with this idea. They are the ones who said they want to do it. So, you can't say, "Well, it'll never happen." They're trying to do it.
If it is live-streamed, that is totally against how I feel as a Christian, as someone that believes in God. Should the guy be executed? Yes. There has to be consequences for what he did.
Also not Christian, but okay. is what scares me, too. If they do live-stream it, then all these crazies, Hamas, um ISIS, all the crazy crazies, see it as um he's going to heaven. Then what if they try to do the same crime?
You know, you're talking about I their faith is as they die, they go, you know, by committing martyr, they go to heaven. Or they may be like, "Finally, America's uh learning some things." Cuz they do public executions.
I know they do. Our enemies do public executions. It seems like our world our United States should be better than this to live-stream it.
Okay. Right. To live-stream it. But, I am 100% We got it. with the execution of what this man did to those people. Right. But, why do you think this is even an option? It's because of our government that has head the head of our government is Donald Trump. The head of the military is Pete Hegseth. Why do you think this is all happening? This wouldn't be happening if we had a different [ __ ] president.
Um J.D. Vance, I read an article where he said he doubted that that the live-stream would happen. You're not understanding what I'm telling you. That does not matter. Trump and Hegseth have announced it's happening. They want it to happen. It is part of their plan. Whether or not that comes to fruition is basically irrelevant in terms of their desires. The people running our government, the people running our military, want to have public executions.
This is a barbaric tactic only used by our enemies at this point. I read you that list of of countries. Oh, who knows if they're our enemies now. Trump is cozying up to all of them, but uh we're in a position now where they are doing anti-Christian things, anti-American things, barbaric things, and you when we're talking to you about it, you you seem to always divert from that. You can't focus on what we're talking about.
You're like, "That man should be executed." Well, they did execute Well, it's not going to happen, you know. I want you to just to try and like focus on what we're talking about here.
I think they want it public because it involved military people, too. Now, the the poor lady that had the double um doses of phenobarbital that didn't [snorts] execute her, that was not public. That was not livestreamed on TV. So, why? I think they're doing this because it involved all military people.
That doesn't make it okay. They're doing this because it's meant to desensitize you. The more we show you violence, the more you get used to it. You get accustomed to watching people get shot in the [ __ ] streets and executions on [ __ ] TV.
How many times do I have to say I do not want it on TV? I do not agree with that, but I do agree that for the consequences this man needs to
Fine. So, you're So, you're saying they're going about it the wrong way? I'm saying I don't want to see it on TV, and I think America is better than this.
Okay. Well, Trump does want to see it on TV. He said that. So, if this goes live, if it streams, will you denounce Trump?
I won't denounce him, but I'll put an X. Right. Okay. So, it's just it's endless. Yeah. He can rape, murder, do whatever he wants. It's just an ex. That's what I'm learning. That's what I have learned. It doesn't matter.
court. This is the court system that is doing It's the president and it's the [ __ ] director of the military. And the court system is a joke. He can do what he wants. Let's move on. Topic number two, another ICE shooting and this may get to that same question at the end here. This week ICE agent shot into a car containing a child. Once again, police say 28-year-old Oscar Bergal was pulling into a parking spot when plainclothes officers approached, one with his gun drawn. At least one agent fired seven rounds hitting Bergal in the neck while his 5-year-old child was in the back seat screaming. ICE says
he refused orders, rammed two ICE vehicles, and drove toward officers. His son was physically unharmed. ICE supervisor Brendan Cooney has been identified in uh, several videos carrying an AR-15 style rifle while wearing what appears to be construction clothing, nothing indicating he was an ICE officer, nor did he identify himself as such. Cooney's record is also under scrutiny. Federal judges questioned his conduct and paperwork in at least three cases this year. In one, a judge ruled an arrest unlawful after doorbell video largely contradicted Cooney's sworn account. He is also named in lawsuits alleging he used a taser on a handcuffed man and forced a pregnant woman to the
ground. As many as 5,000 protesters marched in Manhattan Friday, the Bronx DA has opened an investigation and a judge has temporarily blocked Bergal's deportation. Mayor Zohran Mamdani called the shooting an outrage and demanded Bergal's release. DHS says ICE operations will continue. Mom, how many times can ICE officers fire into a car that has a child in it before you denounce Trump? Is that number infinite?
Well, number one, I don't know. Let me think. He rammed the car. They said he rammed the car. They always say that. We have no idea if that's true.
in the back. We have no idea if that's true. I look that's correct. I I felt like Judge Judy. You're correct. This man I watch Judge Judy every day because somebody else wants to. This man that they shot in 2023 [snorts] he was convicted of grand larceny. Okay. All of this matters. The man was running from ice. He had he had a robbery conviction. He had a weapons possession conviction. He was arrested in 2025 with cocaine and fentanyl and and something about drugs. He's tied to some gang and he was in the United States illegally.
Okay. So he rams the car. They tried to stop him. he rams the car. Maybe we don't know. Okay. He didn't stop apparently.
We don't know. Okay. So what is your question to me? My question is as I said well let me tell you what we do know then I'll re-ask the question. What we know is there's a child in the back seat of the car. Supposedly ICE was surveilling him. So supposedly ICE knew that the kid was in the car when they shot into it. We also know that none of these ICE officers we've seen it on video are dressed in any manner that would make you think they are ICE officers. They're wearing like jeans and like construction vests that you can buy at Home Depot and
carrying machine guns. I think rationally any person who sees these people approaching [ __ ] that I'm out of here. They don't identify themselves as ICE officers. They just have machine guns and they look like regular people walking off a construction site. I would drive the [ __ ] out of there too. I'm not stopping for that. So my question is how many times do you think it's okay for ICE agents to shoot into a car where there is a 5-year-old child sitting in the backseat.
No times, unless that car was coming at them to kill them and ram them. Right. Well, they supposedly knew the kid was in the car. So, why wouldn't they just follow the guy, wait until the kid is out of the car, and then get the guy? Like when he's walking into a store, or wherever they're going. That guy has to get out of the car at some point. Why not just follow him, wait for him to get out, and then take him down?
Yeah, that's probably what should have been done. Do we have a clip on this one? Has anybody seen the clip before or not?
No, because ICE agents aren't wearing [ __ ] cameras. So, unless a bystander [ __ ] captures it, we don't see what happens.
Oh, you know they did it to somebody. The reality is that ICE has no training. They're all just like [ __ ] pieces of [ __ ] people.
Yeah. I'm on my ridge you this whole thing about how this the dude who shot into the car has all this other [ __ ] that uh he's done improperly, poorly, has had all these different uh complaints against him, had to go to court, all this [ __ ] Why is that guy even still an ICE agent?
Right. Should not tell you why. Because these are the types of people that Trump wants to be ICE agents. The I didn't have this in here, but another report came out uh this week that Stephen Miller, in documents, has said they basically, when they were building the ICE detention facilities, they had the option to make them more comfortable for the detainees, and Stephen Miller said, "No, we don't want them to be comfortable." So, he is maliciously, sadistically trying to make conditions for the people we're holding in immigration detention as bad as possible. He wants that. Trump wants this to be the case. Trump wants these
people killed. Trump wants public executions. These are things authoritarian leaders do. You're shaking your head, but like this is all true. How can you say it's not?
I'm also seeing clips where they're putting them back on airplanes and sending them back to where they came from or sending them to another country to get them out of here.
Okay. But So that's not humane. 70% of all the people who are in ICE detention right now have no criminal record? People are dying in their custody, getting sick in their custody, getting sexually assaulted in their custody. All of that is happening.
You remember when Rachel Maddow came on and said that they have a whole facility for tender age immigrants where it's nothing but children and babies?
No. Yeah. Prove that to me. I'd like to see that. I can pull up I can pull up a [ __ ] video. I don't I mean like it exists. Just Google it. They have facilities for children. Like Miss Rachel crusades for this [ __ ]
Mom, I'm I'm bringing this up and asking you this question because you're against ICE. You want to abolish ICE, right? Yes. Okay. Every week it seems like now they're escalating some new ICE operation here or there or whatever. Somebody's getting shot. Children There's a video that came out this week of ICE agents ripping children out of a father's arms and the kids are just left in the street crying.
Didn't they say they're sending in like a whole bunch of ICE agents to California, Los Angeles Yeah. get them all? Like they don't give a [ __ ] who they're arresting?
Yeah. Exactly. Uh they'll arrest US citizens. You can even say when you're being arrested, I'm a US citizen and ICE agents have said, "I don't [ __ ] care." That's on tape. We have that. So they're being told to just arrest, to shoot, to kick people's asses, all this kind of stuff. And you are against it. But it keeps on happening. It keeps getting worse. So, my question to you is, at what point does the volume of these transgressions outweigh your devotion to Trump? He's the one who wants this. He's the one telling them to do this.
And it's every week something that we talk about now that you're like, this is bad, it's an X. How many of those X's do there have to be before you're like, I'm not down with Trump anymore?
I don't know. Well, think about it. Because I do think like Haley was talking about with the desensitization of violence, the same is true with this type of stuff. This This is violence. Obviously, shooting into a car with a kid. Now you're just like, whatever, it happens every once in a while. You're allowing it because it happens all the time.
I then I look up the person that was in the car and I see what he has done and I think, well, that's not right. How could that happen in America?
So, what I have Yes, and a gang. Absolutely. And what I have told you is, why didn't the ICE officers follow him, wait for him to get out of the car, and then take him there so that there's not a 5-year-old child dodging bullets in the back seat of a car?
Right. Correct. I agree with you. Because the reason is Donald Trump wants them to shoot into that car. None of these officers will be penalized in any way. There will be no repercussions. Just as in the case of Alex Pretty and Renee Good, where they literally executed US citizens in the street, none of those officers are facing any charges. Nothing has happened to them. Because Trump wants this. He wants this environment where his secret police can go around murdering people, shooting into cars with babies, and nothing happens.
That is the America we're living in. I do not believe in my heart that Trump wants them to shoot and kill people in cars or babies.
Then why doesn't he stop it? I'm sure somebody's being spoke to. But that you know that's not true. This has been happening for months. Nothing is changing. Hello?
Yes. So if he wanted it to stop, it would stop tomorrow. All he would have to do is be like, "Hey, we need to really change how we're doing ICE. They need better training. Get them off the streets for at least a week or two. Retract all the operations. We can't have people shooting into cars with babies." He's not saying anything.
They did do that after was it Minnesota? They did do that for a while. they didn't. Mom, we're talking about this week. They just shot into a car with a [ __ ] baby in it.
I know. So they haven't changed anything. Trump doesn't want it to change. He's He wants that public [ __ ] executions. Hi, hello. Anything going on over there?
Yeah, I'm here. [snorts] All right. Topic number three, Trump loves Putin. On Friday after a call with Vladimir Putin, Trump announced Russia would immediately supply more than 300,000 tons of diesel to the American and global market with more to follow in the coming months in exchange for the United States easing sanctions on Russia originally meant to squeeze Moscow over the Ukraine war. A US official says Trump made the deal after Ukrainian Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky ignored half a dozen US requests to stop attacking Russian oil refineries. Zelensky says he was blindsided calling the deal quote not fair and not honest and an undeserved
gift to Putin. Then skin Trump reacted immediately saying, "I suggest they get a new leader who can make a deal. I think it's time for Ukraine to get a new president." Critics in both parties uh accused Trump of helping Putin's war effort. Mom, do you think we should be helping Russia in the war with Ukraine?
[snorts] Of course not, but I think Trump is putting pressure on Ukraine to get a deal done. I think that maybe is some of this with the diesel deal that he made with Russia.
Why Why not Uh-huh. Why not put pressure on Russia to end the war? He needs to put pressure on somebody to get this over with, and I think
Right. Why not Ukraine? Why not the bad guys? So, why not Russia? Yeah. Yeah. Why aren't we putting pressure on the bad guys?
I think they're both bad. Ukraine is not bad. Ukraine is not bad. They're not the bad guys. I think Putin invaded Ukraine. Putin sent troops into that country to kick in doors and start killing and raping people. That's what is happening. And you're saying put pressure on the people who are being killed and raped?
I think just pressure on letting Russia come in, take a little bit of land, and let it be over and done. That's not what's happening here.
Okay. He is So, we put all these sanctions on Russia at some point during this during the war with Ukraine to make it more difficult for them to fight the war financially.
Correct. Those sanctions are now gone so that we can get their oil. Because we're in a war with Iran that Trump started that is causing oil prices to skyrocket. And so, he's like, "Where can we get oil from?" Oh, the biggest dictator in the world, let me become friends with him. And now he's in this little Twitter screaming match with Zelensky. Well, they need to get a new president cuz he can't do a deal. He's a baby.
I just thought it was putting more pressure on him to get this war over. The war Okay, Zelenskyy's not the one who can end the war. He's not the aggressor. Vladimir Putin could end it now by retracting the troops and stopping the attack. War's over. He could literally end it today. Zelenskyy can't do that. Zelenskyy can't say like, "Okay, the war's over, guys. Everybody go back to your house." Putin is still attacking them.
Okay. The person on defense in a war cannot end the war. That would be like us saying, "Iran, just end the war." Well, what do you mean? You're blowing the [ __ ] out of our country. You're attacking us.
Right. So, Zelenskyy can't end the war. Only Putin can. They both could together, I do believe. How? Become peaceful. Become friends. Say, "What do you want? What do I want? Here we go."
I don't think you're getting it. Putin said, "Give me your [ __ ] country. I'm invading you." He's not Yeah. Ukraine didn't do anything. They just got [ __ ] bombed. And now they're on the defense trying to [ __ ] survive.
I know. Let me ask you this, Mom. Do you think Russia is our enemy? Of course. Okay. think they're our friend. Well, now they are.
Just like China. Well, they are, too. Yeah, we're helping them both. So, now what? Keep enemies close. Oh, okay. But it's not He's not keeping Russia close. He's giving them money and aid in a war. We are now
Yeah. We are militarily, or at least financially, aligned with Russia's military now. So, the country that you believe is our sworn enemy is now, at least in terms of the Ukrainian war, we are more allied with Russia than we are with Ukraine.
Right. And it was not that way. I don't I know. Correct. And that is 100% Trump. So, would you say that's an X?
Not an X. I just think he's he's jockeying and he's doing the diesel deal. Maybe that that will help us back here with gas, diesel, who knows.
Any other president and you'd be [ __ ] over it. You'd be done. If this was Obama, done. Obama in bed with Putin, you're done.
I think it could be a way to end the war. I really do. But you're not understanding. Like ending the war isn't just like a a blanket like oh, it's great. The war is over. If Putin in quotes wins that war, if he takes a huge chunk of Ukraine, if they kill Zelenskyy, whatever, that's not a good end to that war. Russia has to be rebuked. Russia has to be turned away from this uh land grab that they're trying to do.
Otherwise, it ain't going to stop. If it only took How long have we been in this in this war? Three or four years now?
Yeah. If that's all it takes for Putin to claim a country, well, he's got three or four more years to do it again. What's the next country on his list? If Trump's just going to roll over and let him [ __ ] do it. It's horrible um international global policy, obviously. But more important than that, it's us now. Trump is aligning us with our enemies.
Do you see that? So, it's shifting our position in the world. We are now no longer the the big shining beacon of hope for the rest of the world. We're not the linchpin in the UN anymore. All of those other countries that used to be our allies, all the Europe European countries, Canada, et cetera, they don't like us.
Every day on my social media, like on my Hive account, if I post something, I can't even I can't even count how many Canadians are like, I [ __ ] love your bakery. I love what you're doing, but I'm never coming to the US as long as he's your president.
Yeah. Other countries [ __ ] hate him. And what America stands for right now. All right, mom's stunned into silence or what? What's going on over there?
It's quiet. Okay, let's simmer down. Mom, you're big into horses. I would like you for this simmer down to tell us all something about horses that you think most people don't know.
Oh. Um horses live in They They are a fight fight or flight flight animal. So, if confronted with danger, they either fight or they flight. They also live in the present moment. So, like yesterday doesn't matter. Tomorrow doesn't.
Okay. The minute you walk up to a horse, that's what they get, and you are there. Do So, wait, are you saying they don't have memories?
They do have memories. Okay. But their emotions and their sensitivity is in the present moment. Okay. So, that's why they can be used a lot for therapy animals, for people that have PS uh PTSD, who might have addiction problems, who might um have all kinds of youth the kids youth problems. Horses are great teachers because they don't judge. Their heart is one of the biggest hearts of any animal. I think I don't know exactly the weight of it, but their heart beat radiates a magnetic field. Some researchers have said between eight four to eight feet around them, the horse.
So, when you walk up to a horse, your heartbeat can sync up with theirs. And the horse, a calm horse, can then calm you down.
Mhm. I've always heard from teachers and trainers when I ride horses, if you're upset, if you're crazy, don't get on the horse. They feel every ounce of emotion that you feel. And the way I experienced this, when my mother died, she died on a Friday night about 8:00, I got the phone call, I couldn't believe it. I cried from Friday, Saturday into Sunday. And your dad said to me, if you don't quit crying, you're going to the hospital. We got to figure this out. He said, I'll take you anywhere.
Wait a minute. You were crying for a couple of days because your mom died, and he was like, "Suck it up or we're taking you to the mental hospital."
I was crying solid. I could not quit. I couldn't quit. He said, "Yeah, your mom died. That's normal." He said, "I will take you anywhere you want to go. I will do anything you want to do. Tell me what you need." I said, "Take me to Winston." Winston was a horse that belonged to one of Haley's very close friends from high school, and this person let me go out and used to ride him and take care of him.
So, Dad took me on a Sunday morning. I can I can smell the air. I can still see it. I can see the sun. I got out of the car. I had carrots for him. I was crying hysterically. He walked over to me, and the minute I almost touched him and gave him that first carrot, I laid my head up against him, and I quit crying.
It's like they can take your emotion away from you, how you're feeling, and make it a lot better. If I didn't have Shiny right now, I'd probably be in the nut house. With the things going on around me right now, losing Jewels, your dad's health, I have to see my shiny hiney every day.
Yeah. He grounds me. He keeps me where I want to be. Don't you also have to clip their nails, clip their hooves? I don't do that, but he has a farrier that does that, yes.
Right, and you got to file their teeth. Yes, that's a dentist. Right, and this is This is all [ __ ] that like people who don't own a [ __ ] horse, like all these little things that you just know. Nobody [ __ ] knows that. That their hooves can like grow and curl under and look [ __ ] nuts and like their teeth don't stop growing.
Like people don't know that [ __ ] Yeah, that's the primary thing. You have a farrier. Some horses have to have shoes on, some can go barefoot like Shiny. Um they have to get their teeth floated once a year. They have to have a coggin's drawn to make sure that they don't have any diseases. And then they have routine vaccinations, too. Owning a horse probably, if you do it the correct way, and do it with the medical stuff that they need. And if you also have to board a horse, that costs a lot more money a month, but it's I would say a good investment to have
$10,000 a year if you do it the correct way. All right. Well, thank you for illuminating us on some horse stuff. Let's get back into these topics. Trump is a sore loser is our number four topic. On Friday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the 2026 prize to Navi Pillay, a South African judge and former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights for her efforts to promote peace and international law. The committee said she was instrumental in ensuring war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide were prosecuted. Trump's fragile ego couldn't handle it. At a rally in Syracuse Friday night, he called Pillay a {quote} "mistreat
person" he'd never heard of and warned we will not forget Norway. That you didn't give this prize to him. He called the decision an indelible stain on Norway and posted that the prize has been forever discredited. He also claimed he should have won eight Nobel Peace Prizes, not just one. And he reshared a post calling Pelousi a hater of American Israel. He also then sanctioned the International Criminal Court where Pelousi served as a judge. As for Pelousi, she joked when she learned of the win that she might share the prize with Trump.
He then posted this to to Truth Social, mom. Um I want you to read this whole post that he posted. It's in the document that I gave us. Do you have it?
I'll have to pull it up. [snorts] Maybe we can't read it all. It's going to take you 20 minutes. The The point of this is that there's no way you can read it. I think it's a bad idea. I'm scuttling [laughter] it. Uh we only we don't have enough time. The point of it was going to be that it's long and it's insane. I settle I'm just going to hit some highlights. The The post is four pages on our little document here.
And the highlights are I settled eight wars with letters being sent from every president and prime minister from the countries that I helped the Norwegian Nobel Committee. And I'm about to settle or win two more, Iran and Russia-Ukraine. They're both happening at breakneck speed. Forget them. It's the eight that I've already settled. Any one of which, in particular, Pakistan and India, would be far more than necessary to win the Nobel Prize. In actuality, I should have won eight Nobel Peace Prizes, not just one. The eight wars are Then he lists them out.
Additionally, I stopped Iran from having nuclear weapons, blah blah blah. Likewise with Iran, I stopped them from destroying Israel, blah blah blah. Uh only because uh he goes, "Add China and Taiwan and numerous other hotspots which have not been involved in wars only because of President Donald J. Trump and the United States of America. I'm responsible for having NATO countries increase spending from 2 to 5% of GDP, so on and so forth." I mean, it's it's crazy.
I see it on the on the topics. Yeah, I couldn't have ever read that. So he's clearly [ __ ] insane. Um do you think Mom Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize?
Um I think that's cuckoo town that he went that crazy on all of that. Um what did the women the woman do that did get the prize?
She was a judge on the organization that he sanctioned, the International Criminal Court, which is like the fact that we're sanctioning them is you were talking about cuckoo. So, she was a judge on that and she uh worked from any everything that I read, worked pretty tirelessly to make sure that whoever was committing war crimes, genocides, whatever, to the extent that the International Criminal Court could prosecute them, that they would be prosecuted. So, she's actually working to get rid of war crimes, to hold uh countries and individuals accountable who commit them.
Then she deserves it. At this point in time Trump [clears throat] does not. Okay. So, what Didn't he share it last year with somebody else that shared it with him or something?
She shared it with him to like gain his favor. Right. Um but what you can't do, like she gave him the actual medal, like the trinket, but the award is still hers. You can't like separate it out. Um why do you think Trump is so fixated on winning a Nobel Peace Prize?
Because he's never got one. Right. So, why do you think he's so fixated on it? Well, it's not his time. But there's a lot of things that a lot of people haven't gotten and like I'm not fixated on winning a Nobel Peace Prize. Why do you think he is?
Because I guess he thinks he deserves it. He's an egomaniac. At this time, he does not deserve it. narcissism. Oh, he he doesn't give a [ __ ] about anything other than his own gain.
[snorts] Well, that lady seems to have deserved it for sure. So, like his crazy rant though, Like, do you think he's of sound mind?
Well, he that guy should be our president? He does that all the time. And you think that's okay? Exactly. He's no other He's like no other president we've ever had.
But that's not a good thing, Mom. You you keep You say that a lot on the show. He's like no other president we've ever had. But you can see how that would be bad, right?
I think that's a little kooky that he went that far and said all of that like in one big long text. That I
so we're currently in just in our country alone, forget all the stuff outside of it, we are currently in dire straits. Nobody can afford anything. The cost of everything are skyrocketing. We've got ice shooting at babies in the street. And he is up at 3:00 a.m. writing a [ __ ] 900-word post about how he deserves eight Nobel Peace Prizes. Do you think that is a sane person?
No, it's a little crazy. Right. So, get him out of there. Yeah, should that person be our president? As of now, he's voted in.
If that was Joe Biden, you'd say get him the [ __ ] out of there. [snorts] The vote in doesn't matter. If there's We have contingencies. I mean, who knows if they're ever going to be upheld, but there are contingencies in the United States government to remove someone from office if they are not of sound mind. If it's clear that they are not able to uh perform their duties as whatever office they hold.
Isn't that what's it called? Amendment 25 or whatever whatever the amendment is? But okay. Then if the Democrats think that, why hasn't anything been started yet?
Cuz you would need the other half of the Senate and Congress to to make that happen, which they don't have now. Maybe if in the midterms, who knows what's going to happen after that. But I'm asking you. I'm not asking why hasn't there been proceedings to get him removed. I'm asking what do you think? Do you think he's sane?
I think he's sane, but I think that text was a little bit over the top about a peace prize. But he he does texts like this all the time. These uh posts to Truth Social literally constantly. There are nights that go by. This happens like once a week. There's some night where he's just literally up all night long sending posts, posting AI memes calling people names every like 2 minutes. Just Do you think that that's a a sane person who should have the keys to the nuclear codes, who should have the power to wage war?
I Yeah, I'm not for sure. Are we sure that that is him doing this on the account, too? And not the human printer or
It Mom, nobody is posting to his Truth Social without him saying to do it. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine if somebody just started posting on his account and he finds that out the next day? That person's probably [ __ ] dead.
Mhm. He just said in some kind of I don't know where he was going to talk somewhere, but he literally said, um, "I could say any [ __ ] stupid thing and you'd all eat it up." He knows that you're going to just eat it up. It doesn't even matter anymore. He can say [ __ ] anything and you're like, "Yes, yes, yes." Look at you. X X
I'm not saying yes, I'm saying that was a little kooky. So get rid of him. Get rid of him. Yeah, there's like we're just trying to get you to a point where it's like every week now we have multiple things that you disagree with, that you call X's or like you're saying now he's a little kooky or whatever. How how much of that does there have to be before you're like, "Oh [ __ ] actually I do think he's crazy. I don't agree with what he's doing in Iran, public executions, ICE, health care, cost of living."
How much of that does there have to be before you say, I don't want him to be my president anymore? Well, the reality is that it I'm not there yet. I don't know. When I get there, I will tell you.
Okay. The reality is that for most people, even just one [ __ ] offense is enough. I'm not most people. I'm You're a MAGA.
I'm Marilyn You're a MAJA. Mamadou is different. I like a good example of this is right now in New York. People are people who voted for Zohran Mamdani are [ __ ] pissed at him because the NYPD is helping ICE. And they're like, what is the deal, bro? I you're letting this happen. And so people who have voted for him are now immediately turning against him because of this one thing that they perceive to be a transgression.
That happens all the time on the left, especially where uh progressives versus kind of like more centrist Democrats are concerned. And I'm not even saying Mamdani is a centrist, he's not. He's a Democratic Socialist per his own admissions. And people who voted for him are mad because of one thing. Now, we've got Trump on the other side of that. MAGA never gets mad at anything he does, not in a a capacity that is enough for you to say, I don't think he should be president anymore. We have to move on from this. He's he's crazy. And it's like all of the things that we talk
about on the show are really meant to illustrate the broader point to you that he is highly corrupt. He is only in this for self-enrichment and he doesn't care about America. A person who wants to live stream an execution does not care about America. He cares about scaring people. He cares about projecting power. That's it. Does any of that make sense to you?
Some of it does, yeah, but I think he wants to show people this cannot happen. There are consequences, so don't do this again to our military people.
Right, but you can do that by just saying he's going to be executed. Here's when it happened. He's been executed. I have already said I don't think it should be public. I've said that.
Right, but he does. I mean live I it should not be live streamed. That's what I meant. Yes. Okay, let's move on. We have two more topics. The next one is Russian plague. Health officials worldwide are watching Siberia after a suspected plague death at a Russian research lab. 28-year-old lab technician Daria Shipilova, who worked at the I'm going to mispronounce probably all these things. Irkuts Irkuts anti-plague research institute fell ill on September 25th after a lab accident involving a broken test tube and later died of severe pneumonia. Nearly 200 people were placed under medical observation. Russia calls the death pneumonia of an unknown
etiology and denies any lab accident occurred. Now, watchdog group is raising questions about US funding. White Coat Waste reports the National Institutes of Health gave nearly $780,000 to the University of Illinois for research with Russia's Institute of Cytology and Genetics, which has done plague research with the uh lab in question. This information flies in the face of what Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said, who has long warned about lab-created pandemics. Trump has said he doesn't believe the outbreak is a bioweapon and Putin has it under control.
[laughter] Mom, does it worry you at all that Russia is likely developing the plague and Trump is saying nothing to see here? I just think it's scary that I don't think they are developing it, but it happened and they acknowledged it.
Mhm. It is a little scary. We don't need another one. you don't think they're developing the the plague as some kind of a bioweapon? Why do they have it in this lab?
I don't think it's a weapon. Why do they have it in this lab then? What are they doing with it? I don't know.
Huh. Okay. Huh. Why do you Trump is saying, "Yeah, no big deal. Putin has it under control. Putin told me he has it under control, so we're good."
It's scary. When I read it, I'm scared. Do you remember when COVID first started and Trump said it will magically disappear in a couple of weeks?
Yes. Okay. We know that did not happen. Correct. Do you have any confidence that Donald Trump can in any way address a problem related to a global pandemic or the plague or anything like that?
I think we know a lot more about him now since we did have COVID and how that went down. don't. No, we don't because we have fired all of the people that knew anything about it.
Right. And Fauci lied to us all, too, so there you go. And now we've got RFK Jr. would be I would be RFK Jr. and Donald Trump would be the two guys, you know, putting into place any kind of a plan to deal with a plague outbreak in the United States.
to tell you to go get Ivermectin and bleach. Okay? We're all [ __ ] The plague will magically dissipate in a few weeks. Don't worry.
Ivermectin, by the way. I bet you do. All my shots, part of your It's in your bunker. It's for Shiny. Shiny takes Ivermectin.
The main reason I wanted to put this topic in here is because it illustrates, once again, that Trump is strangely friends with Putin. And they clearly are doing some kind of uh at the very least weird research on the [ __ ] plague.
I'm just [ __ ] I'm so tired of it. And Trump is like, "Yeah, whatever, no big deal." He's just letting Putin do whatever he wants to do. Remember when he was like
I don't I haven't read other articles where any other countries are worried about this yet. Okay. All of that is fine. I'm just saying when COVID broke out, Trump was very quick to be like, "It's the China virus." Remember when he was calling it all that? But now he's not saying this is the Russian plague. He's not saying anything. He's like, "No, it's cool. Everybody's got it under control. Don't worry."
And they're trying to cover it up as like, "Oh, no, it's just like a pneumonia thing." Yeah. Nope, it's the [ __ ] plague.
Yeah, somebody died from the plague. Engineered in a lab. Haley's trying to do impressions. Hello though, you're you're avoiding what we're talking about completely.
No, I'm not avoiding. I'm a little afraid of this one, yeah. Okay. And so again, do you have any confidence that Trump would be able to make America safe from this bioweapon?
Yes, why would he want that to come into the United States where we all live and he lives? How many how many days are we going on the war in Iran? A bunch. 200 and some? You think that we could last 200 days with no vaccine for the plague? I don't know.
Um 225 days. He would not Why would Trump allow that to come into our United States where he lives too? Allow? What Allow?
Why? one person on a plane from Russia who has the plague. Now it's here. Now it's here right. It's not about allowing anything.
I think he would stop it since he lives in the United States too. He going to get on every plane? I don't think he would because he's also like these these ultra-rich people like Trump.
Give a [ __ ] They believe that they are untouchable by anything that affects the common person. Legally, medically, financially, any of that. And it's true. That is actually true in this country. If you have enough money, you are immune to this [ __ ] They don't give a [ __ ] If it wipes out Sorry, go ahead.
They have like they have like bunkers and [ __ ] that they're building underground so when things like this happen, they live. We die.
Yes, that is what the ballroom is for him. But all of them, Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Peter Thiel, all these billionaires have places that they can go immediately to avoid anything. Nuclear war, uh pandemic, you know, etc. etc. etc. And Trump is one of those people. So, they don't give a [ __ ] And by the way, part of Peter Thiel and Russell Vought, the the architects of 2025, Project 2025, part of the plan is to thin the herd. They want to kill a bunch of people off because it makes it easier to control the population if the population is smaller.
Wow. All right, talk to you next week. Next topic, we've got a new press secretary. On Friday, the White House named Katie Zachariah as the new press secretary succeeding Caroline Leavitt. Zachariah is an attorney who was a spokeswoman for ex-Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, a frequent guest on Fox News and Newsmax mom. And most recently a communications advisor to Trump Media. Then on Saturday, The Bulwark published a report on her online history, including social media posts she deleted. In 2022, she reportedly called Bill Gates a eugenicist pushing a toxic jab. In other deleted posts, she called for suspending habeas corpus, a fundamental protection
against unlawful detention, in response to a post from White House aide Stephen Miller about sanctuary cities. The Bulwark also reports she has insisted the 2020 election was stolen and has reportedly encouraged Trump to run for a third term despite the Constitution prohibiting it. Her current posts remain sharply partisan. In September 2025, she blamed quote leftist transgender assailants for a at least a dozen school shootings. And last month, she called Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed, who was born in the United States, an indictment of the immigration system.
Mom, do you think that our new press secretary, Katie Zaccaria or Zachariah, I don't know how to pronounce this, Zachariah, I think. is going to be a good press secretary?
I can't wait to give her a chance and let her debut. I think it will be Monday. She is going to more or less talk and give information that Trump relays and defends, you know, him. Her personal things that were taken down, that's not what she's going to talk about.
So, you like that to be our press secretary. She's a bigot. Not her own decisions that they that she took down. She's going to get up there and represent President Trump and whatever he wants to say and do.
I agree, but but you're the the point of all of this is Trump's press secretary, and to some degree all press secretaries, they lie. Trump's more than any anyone else. But that's their job is to go out there, stand in front of the White House press corps, and lie to them. So, in hiring a person like this, who already has had all these problematic tweets and [ __ ] who already has been in support of the ideas that, you know, the 2020 election is stolen, uh promoting transphobia, all this kind of stuff, to have that person as the spokesperson for the White House says a lot about
Trump, that that's who he wants. This person who already is promoting the lies that he needs to continue telling in order to maintain power, basically. That doesn't in any way concern you?
I don't see it that way. I see it as the things that were taken down were her personal beliefs. That's what she kind of felt. But now she's being hired to be out in front to talk to all [clears throat] of us about what President Trump wants us to know. Knowledge.
so you don't think someone's personal beliefs should have any impact on their job as the White House press secretary? Well, I never saw um Caroline Leavitt up there saying me me I I. It was all about President Trump feels, President Trump does.
Yeah. I want to give this lady a chance. I want to give her a chance. But even like let's just take her uh election denial. So let's say she gets a question about that. Do you think the or does President Trump think the 2020 election was stolen? She of course is going to be like, "Well, it was." Of course it was. And that has been proven false.
I know you probably think it was too, right? Hello? Maybe. And why is that? Why do you think that? Because of the votes that came in late and just dumped and all that. But anyway
None of that's true. because of the media that you consume feed you what you want to hear. Yeah. And this woman is part of the
Yeah, this lady is going to spew [ __ ] lies and vitriol and you're going to eat it up. You just give it to me.
You guys haven't even given her a chance. And that's the sad part about won't. That's the sad part. No, the sad part is that you're giving her a chance knowing she's [ __ ] transphobic, knowing that she's a bigot. That's the sad part.
I said let her debut. Let's her Let us see what she's about. Let us see. You guys won't even give her No, we know what she's about. We know who she is. We know who she is. I already know who she is. I ain't giving this [ __ ] a chance.
We already know what she's about. But also it it speaks I think to where the Trump administration is right now. Who could you hire to be the White House press secretary but someone like her?
Exactly. Someone who does believe all these lies, who perpetuates all of them. There were several people in line. No sane No, there were several people in line, several people he could have picked. I mean, she let's give her a chance. You guys won't even do that.
But what what do you mean give her a chance in what capacity? Let her debut, let her get up there. I need to see how she speaks, I need to see what she says. I need to see how she addresses reporters or not.
So all these prior tweets and stuff that I have just told you about, you don't care? Well, if that was her personal stuff and it was taken down. She's not going to get up there and talk about that. She's going to represent Donald Trump.
But as his press secretary. Yes, of course. I'm not disputing that. But when you're a public figure, specifically when you're a public governmental figure, who you are as a person, your personal beliefs, that is a part of what you are doing. That's a part of the job. It's not like you get into office or I mean in this case you're representing an office and whatever you believe, whatever you've said online just [ __ ] evaporates. That is a part of the job.
Your persona, your personality is a part of what you bring to that job. So now we've got a person representing the president of the United States who has publicly expressed all of these different viewpoints from uh denying the election to saying Bill Gates is a eugenicist to you know, saying all this nasty [ __ ] about sanctuary cities, etc. etc. etc. That person is now representing the United States of America on a daily basis to all press.
Okay, but you're saying this to her and she voted for a man who said he likes to grab women by the [ __ ]
That's true. So, I mean, why would you think anything else? Why would you think that she would hold this woman accountable for her gross behaviors? You don't even do that to the president of the United States. So this does make sense to me. It's like morally corrupt [ __ ] and you just eat it. You eat it up.
about me getting off the track, but anyway, I'm giving I want to see her debut. I want to see um how everything goes.
times she's transphobic, how many times she's a bigot. You guys won't even It's sad that you won't even give her a chance. That's all I ask.
No, it's sad that you can't just open your eyes. But also, Mom, look at all the chances that we have been forced to give all of these people, and look where we are now. We've given Donald Trump a chance. We're in a war with Iran. We've given Pete Hegseth a chance. He's asking for public executions. Like [gasps and laughter] where does it end? We've given RFK a chance. We had measles outbreak. Uh all of our food is poisoned. More food recalls in the past year than we've ever had in a year-long period. Um we've given Who else? Howard Lutnick a chance.
We found out he's in the Epstein files, was hanging out with Epstein, even though he [ __ ] said he wasn't. We've given all the people in his cabinet a chance. And they all [ __ ] suck. They all are exactly who we thought they were coming in. Every one of them.
I like Caroline Leavitt Levitt Levitt. I want to give this lady a chance. I think she might be great. Why do you think
was also a terrible human. Right. Also a piece of [ __ ] But a smart one, cuz she got the [ __ ] out. Why do you think she left?
She's doing other things for him now. No. On other She's not. Yeah, that's a Listen. Say Say what you will about her. I think she is of all the people in his little world, maybe the smartest of them. She never struck me as like a a [ __ ] like Pete Hegseth, Trump, they all have dipshittery around them.
Mhm. To me, she was like cold, calculated, did not give a [ __ ] know she's lying, and is just out there collecting a paycheck. Then the midterms start rolling around, and she's like Huh, this isn't going to go well.
now. Exactly. Get out of the public out of the governmental sector, go into the private sector. Well, she's a corrupt piece of [ __ ] is what's wrong with it.
Okay. Like if you if you're affiliated with or work for Donald Trump in any capacity, you're morally corrupt. You are a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
Sorry you feel that that easy. Okay. Sorry you feel that way. No, Mom, who do you think is a fact? Okay, tell me.
are you so mean? you dismiss me and say that to me? Sorry you feel that way. That's what I mean. I'm sorry you do feel that way and then you mock me back.
That's condescending. Hang on. Hang on. I don't want to talk about I Please don't mock each other. Whatever, Mom, we're not trying to mock you. We're just trying to talk to you.
Yes, she just did. I know I [ __ ] am cuz I'm tired of hearing it. I'm sorry Right. Yes, I'm sorry I'm sorry you feel that way is very condescending, Mom. It is.
Stop saying it. I mean that. I'm sorry that you feel that way about that person. She's just going to settle down. She's fine.
And if you think that's condescending, then something's wrong. You both are two cuckoo birds. Okay, hang on a minute. I want to ask you this, speaking of cuckoo birds. You're saying to give all these people a chance, etc., etc. Who do you think in Trump's cabinet or immediate sphere of influence, who do you think has done a good job or is a good person?
Um I like the lady that had to leave that had cancer and I haven't seen her come back. Remember, she was um God, what's her name? She was like the right-hand person for Trump for a while. I liked her a lot.
That wasn't real. Who are you talking about? What's not real? What are you talking about? Peggy, I think it's Peggy. Um She was one of the very first people that he got on his cabinet.
Susie Wiles? Yeah, Susie, yeah. I I liked her. as a staff. Okay. I liked her a lot, yeah. So, she was on the team for what? 2 months?
What did she do that you liked? I just liked her truth, how she represented everything. Um I just believed a lot in what she said, but then she had to leave cuz she had breast cancer and I don't know if she's come back to full duties yet.
Okay. So, you got Susie Wiles and I don't know, you put me on the spot. And she Isn't Susie Wiles Wait a minute. Isn't Susie Wiles also the one who said Trump has an alcoholic's personality?
Perfect. She The one that The person that you like has criticized Donald Trump. Oh my god. You like Kash Patel? I did. I do, kind of, yeah. But, no.
You like Pete Hedseth Hes Hesbeth? Hesbeth? You know how I feel there. I think he I I thought he'd be gone by now.
Yep, and he ain't. Now he's Now he's ordering public executions to be live streamed on YouTube for little kids to watch. Okay. I have to jump here pretty quick.
I understand, but I just want to try and get one answer to this question. You like Susie Wiles and she doesn't like Trump and left.
No, she does. They're very good friends. Alcoholic's personality? By that, she meant that he does a lot. Yeah, exhibits exaggerated behavioral traits associated with alcoholism. That's what it means.
Okay. Um Okay, so you got her. Who else? Um Who else on the cabinet? I don't know. J.D. Vance? I've always liked him.
Okay. [clears throat] Marco Rubio. I've liked him. What do you like about him? Right. That they love America and they're doing what they can to make America great.
Okay. Um well, that's a non-answer, but thank you for giving it anyway. Um and thank you for joining us today. We'll end it here. I can tell that you're you've reached your limit and maybe even beyond. Um I will be huh?
Uh yeah. I'll be back tonight at 6:00 p.m. PDT. Haley, are you joining me? Libs of Live? I have I have to fold like a thousand t-shirts.
You can do it while you're podcasting. What? Do it while you're pod Served. [laughter] What [ __ ] time? If I have you have to do it too for at least 30 minutes.
Who are you talking to? You. You going to be nice? I don't know. Depends on what you say. Well, no, but we we're just answering questions. It's not up to us.
You know, I I get DMs all the time. I don't always accept the people's friend thing, but I can read some of those. And you know what one said and I'm just You guys ain't going to think it's funny. I thought it was funny as [ __ ]
Okay. [laughter] You ready? Yeah. This lady told me to take both of you to the nearest fire station and dump you off. [laughter]
Here's I'm giving up my 50-year-old son to the fire station. [laughter] Okay. She just said that there are people on my side and that I should take both of you to the nearest fire station. I would never do that and you know that. I love you both. Thank you. Haley, I love you even though you're very mean to me lately. Chat, I love you. You're kind of mean to me, too. Love you both.
Mom, Mom, I love you even though you're condescending. Chat, I love you. Tell Dad I love him. I love both of you for doing this show despite or mean this and condescension or whatever every week. Please tell Dad that I love him as well. So, who's doing the show tonight?
We are both going to do. I'll be there for a short time, but if people start ragging on me, it's adios amigos. All right. So, we're going to have a full family
for a little bit if I'm not asleep. All right. 8:00 or 6:00 p.m. PDT. That's 8:00 Central. That's 9:00 Eastern. Join us on our YouTube channel for Necessary Conversation Live. We'll all three be here. We'll see you then.
Unless you're at [music] the fire station. God, I love that. I giggle every time I need a giggle on that.