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In the aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule. Now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the necessary conversation. My name is Chad Culchin. With me today are just my mom and dad, Bob and Mary Lou. They are deep queueing on MAGA in the cult. They love their orange god. I do not. That is the premise of this show. My sister is usually here as well. She also does not love the orange god, but she is um in the hospital. >> Haley decided to gallivant to a place where most people don't like to go. Yeah. >> Or should not want to go. and she g I got a text Saturday um early morning 3:00 am from uh her husband and she gallivanted right into an ER. I do have her permission to say this. I've told >> she she is okay by the way. We should >> she is okay but she's still gallivanting in the hospital now. >> Yeah. and she gave me permission and I've only told a few friends and family of course knew but uh she will tell all the listeners about how she what made her gallivant to the ER. >> Yeah, perhaps next week perhaps Wednesday she'll be back. But um >> and she's still waiting right now. >> She's still waiting in Gallivanting to be released. >> Yeah, >> saying that. >> Quit saying that. Okay, [laughter] done. >> Hope you're feeling better. >> Okay, I hope you're feeling better, too. She is okay, but she has a legitimate excuse. She's not really gallivanting. Sorry for saying it again, Dad. >> And I have two little their little diddies because they weren't our topics and we couldn't talk about them because we don't much don't know much about them. Brown University shooting. >> I have that. >> Oh, are we just woke up this morning and found out about it? Well, we can. So, >> we can't because they don't know yet. They two are dead and nine are injured and they know >> two dead nine injured >> they have a person of interest in custody. There is video that they've released of a person walking around a corner kind of like security camera footage, >> right? >> The thing that I found >> What? >> Uhhuh. Go ahead. >> I was just going to say we know your take on it. You both think more guns is the answer to this. I do not. We we've discussed multiple mass shootings on this uh show. The thing that I thought was kind of a new thing that we have never discussed was Trump's reaction. Dad, you all right? >> Yeah. >> You have to look at Chad. >> I'm looking at it. >> What were you looking at 5 seconds ago? >> My armrest. >> Cool. Um, Trump tweeted or took to Truth Social and posted, "I have been briefed on the shooting that took place at Brown University in Rhode Island. This is at 5:44 p.m. yesterday. The FBI is on the scene. the suspect is in custody. God bless the victims and the families of the victims. Then at 6:03, uh 15 minutes later roughly, he posts, "The Brown University police reversed their previous statement. The suspect is all caps not in custody." So he's blaming the cops for in quotes reversing their previous statement. Why is he tweeting about any of this at all? Can you imagine if you get that tweet and you think, "Oh, good. They got him in custody and then you leave the classroom and they don't have him in custody. He put people's lives in danger." >> I don't think he was saying that was bad about the policeman that it was their fault. >> He's blaming them. >> I don't think he was. The law was >> Wait, wait, wait. Why wouldn't he have just posted my mistake, the suspect is not in custody or even just say the suspect is not in custody? Why does he have to put that thing at the beginning? The Brown University Police reversed their previous statement. He's putting blame on them. This is not my fault. >> Well, someone gave him the wrong information, apparently. >> But why is it at all? >> Why is it his fault then? >> Because he sense, >> don't y'all? >> What? It's his fault because he's tweeting this at all. >> Police tell All right, shut up a minute. The police tell him that the guy's in custody and then they tell him he's not. >> Uhhuh. >> So, it's not Donald Trump's fault. Where in the you pulling that out of here? You're pulling out of your ass. >> Why did he tweet about it at all? >> Because it's news. >> Okay. Does he tweet about every news story? >> Yeah. Something like that. Yes, he has. >> Okay. Um, anyways, Mom, sorry. your other didn't. >> Well, we don't they don't know all the specifics yet. No one does. So, we can't speak about that until we know more. >> Yeah. It's just another mass shooting in America. They happen constantly at this point. There is no end in sight. >> Um and it's because there is no gun regulation in this country. >> There was also one in Australia at a beach. Like 20 people shot there. They don't they are not saw anti-semitic that yet either. It was during uh I believe it was during some kind of Jewish holiday celebration, right? >> I'm not for sure. I just saw a little clip about it. >> But first, all those people's involved. Okay. We can maybe talk about more of those later when we find out more. >> Then the last one, I've got one last thing. Remember last Wednesday we talked about the Somalian um community in Minnesota that up. I'm sorry. [clears throat] And when I Googled that, Chad, and you were making fun of me or saying that can't be like a billion dollars um in scandals um in fraud. Well, there was one big fraud called feeding your future where child nutritionbased um they got so much money to feed these kids. That was one fraud thing. Prosecutors are alleging that is up to 250 million. Other schemes have included autistic people, autistic therapies where they were given money to go to these clinics, housing authorities implicated, um unemployment benefit schemes. This was all under the nose of Tim Waltz. Several investigations are now saying that all those combined scandals >> are [clears throat] one to 1.5 billion. >> So I was right. All right. and you kind of pushed me back said it can't be. It can only be millions, but all of the schemes that they're being found now are up to one to 1.5 billion. >> Send me the links. I'll read whatever you've got. >> We'll do that Wednesday. Okay. >> Okay. Um, speaking of Wednesday, before we get into our listener question, I wanted to do a follow-up with you because last Wednesday we discussed there was video that came out of a guy peeing on Donald Trump star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and you thought this was a very uh egregious transgression against the Orange One. You thought this man deserved to be in jail or deported, you said, even even if he's a US citizen. >> Yes. So, I wanted to ask you, what do you think should happen then to the guy who smeared in Nancy Pelos's office? >> He should be given a gold stock. >> Oh my gosh. I'm pretty sure that guy went to jail with all the other J all the other ones >> and was pardoned by Donald Trump on day one of his presidency. >> That's right. >> It doesn't cause for >> Nancy Pelosi is a communist. >> That doesn't cause for 20 years in jail. Neither does peeing on the star. But that is defacing property. >> So which one is worse in your mind? >> They're both pretty bad. >> Okay. I just wanted to see if it seems like dad obviously has a pretty big double standard for the guy smearing on Nancy Pelosy's office but does not care about >> smeared it on Nancy Pelosi. >> Oh god, I knew that was coming. >> Okay. Um well, are you ready for that? >> She's nothing but Would have blended right in perfectly. >> Oh my god. >> Good one. Let's move on to our listener. >> My dad's here today. [laughter] >> Yeah, I am. Uh, let's move on to our listener question. >> What are you looking at? >> Who? >> You. >> I'm looking. >> You're supposed to be looking at Chad. >> Oh, >> are you just staring at a blank TV or is there something? >> No, my my head. Never mind. Yeah, we're not set up very well because this is in the studio, our third or fourth studio in the house, and I didn't get it. >> See, it looks like I'm staring off somewhere now. >> He's really not. >> I'm not. >> I can't get it. >> Oh, you're Is that better? >> No. Put it back how you had it. >> The camera angle. >> Now it's too far the other way. >> So, go >> a little bit towards There you go. Now, don't touch anything. All right. >> We're going to play a listener question. Now, if you're out there and you want to send us a question, all you have to do is record it in a 1 minute or shorter video format. Send it to the necessary conversation [email protected]. Are you ready for today's question? >> And and by the way, 20 year olds that live in their mom and dad's basement shouldn't send us anything. >> Okay. >> All right. Here we go. >> Hi, Necessary Conversation family. My name's Olivia. Thanks so much for having this podcast and for allowing us to ask questions. As we approach Christmas, I'd like to ask a question to both Bob and Mary Lou. When I read about Jesus, I read that he is selfless and he feeds the hungry and he defends the marginalized. He calls us to be honest and humble and compassionate so that other people can see him in us. So my question is, why do you support a president whose cruelty and pride and division and disregard for the vulnerable completely contradict the life and commandments of Jesus? How are we supposed to spread the word of God if we're deporting people that don't look like us or speak like us or share our same faith? What about your faith calls you to support Donald Trump? Happy holidays. >> Happy holidays to you, too. >> And there we go. 20 years old living in the basement. >> You you don't support uh our president the way we do. And our you see him in a different light than we do. And the problem you're you're talking about, you you're throwing your whole thing on religion with Jesus Christ. Well, Jesus Christ didn't get along with the Muslims back in the day either. >> Huh? >> Huh? >> What Muslims was he running into? >> He wasn't running into Tanny. That's what I'm saying. He didn't have this problem. If he'd have had a problem with with the Muslims back when he was running or roaming the earth, he would have changed things. All I'm saying >> in what way? Hang on, mom. Dad, >> he would have Okay. What is Jesus Christ? >> Our God and >> he's a Christian. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If non-Christians don't apply, >> okay? >> Need not apply. Non-Christians. And like I told you, all your callers are 20 year olds living in their basement. >> Okay. >> This looks no different to me. Your answer has lobbomized me. Mom, [laughter] >> the question is essentially Donald Trump is implementing very uh anti-Christian >> no >> laws, practices. Of course he is. >> He's he's anti-Muslim. >> I read you that quote some episodes ago uh from the Bible where it says to love your neighbor as yourself and treat the stranger. Treat the foreigner as you would treat yourself. Shut up for a minute, Dad. Quiet piggy. >> Quiet piggy. >> Okay, don't do that. >> You're the piggy. >> Don't do that. You >> How am I the piggy? >> I am. Don't do this. >> You're a piggy. >> Come on, YouTube. >> You're a left-wing piggy. >> Okay, you two. Stop. >> The Bible says to treat the stranger, treat the foreigner as you would treat yourself. It literally says that. >> So, Trump is not doing that. >> I want to know. I want to know where's the callers for our side of the equation. You never put them on. You are well known for putting on a 20 yearear-old little girl that lives with her mommy. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well known for that. I don't get right-wing questions. >> Okay. >> They don't exist. You can go in our email. You can look through every one of the questions. >> They need to come and >> time to get them out. >> This question. You guys are avoiding this question. >> Say the question. >> Christianity is about accepting other people. It is about helping >> the less fortunate. >> Wait a minute, Dad. You don't think Christianity is about helping other people? What do you think it's about? >> No. >> What's it about? >> I think it's you believe you believe in Jesus Christ >> and you're a Christian and that's how you get into heaven. >> Has nothing to do with loving the Muslims. >> But do what do you do? You think Christian principles are about loving your fellow human being? >> Yes. >> No, they're about loving your fellow Christians. >> Yes, that is. Now, >> if you're not a Christian, I don't have any love for you. >> Uhhuh. Donald Trump is getting people out and I just didn't exterminate them >> that have committed crimes that um >> Jesus was a criminal. >> What? >> Jesus was a criminal sentenced to death. >> Mhm. >> So it doesn't matter. >> What do you mean he was a criminal? >> Give me an example. >> Do you know how he died? >> Yeah. On the cross. >> Okay. He was found guilty of various crimes by the Romans who then sentenced him to death. >> The Romans. >> That's right. Hello. Now you're both looking away. What What is going on here today? >> Well, I >> He's argumented. >> My head is turned in a bad spot [laughter] here. And if I do this, it feels better. >> Okay, do that. >> I get accused of not paying strict attention to the piggy. Stare stare off in whatever direction feels best for your neck. >> I don't know how to turn the camera now. I'm okay right here. So >> I I want to get back to this question. >> Okay. >> The fundamental premise of it is >> yes >> Donald Trump does not behave. >> I haven't. >> Correct. I get it. Dad, do you think Jesus would have killed all the Muslims? >> I'm starting to sweat bad already. >> All right. The idea of forgiveness is certainly >> Okay. So God didn't part the sea and bring it back in and kill all the Egyptians. >> What? >> I think he did. >> I'm not talking about the stories in the Bible. We're talking about Jesus Christ and the teachings of Christianity. >> You're sitting here talking about Jesus Christ wouldn't do anything to the Muslims and he wouldn't do anything to non-Christians. Well, let me tell you, he drowned a whole goddamn army of Egyptians way back. >> Yeah, he did. He had part of the Red Sea and dumped it back on him. >> Not Jesus. >> Yes. Jesus did that. >> Should we go back? >> You think you you think Moses did that? No. >> He just told >> as the story goes God did it for Moses. >> God pardoned. >> That's right. Oh, and you're you're doing the Holy Trinity. I get it. >> He killed a bunch of Egyptians. >> Okay. Should we go back to in person podcast? Maybe. Mom, I I would like to hear your answer on this. Trump is very clearly doing things that are against Christian doctrine. >> How do you reconcile supporting him and also being Christian? >> Tell me one thing that you think he's doing. He's de when she said deporting people. >> Deporting people. Even just calling uh women stupid. Uh sexual assault. Uh >> he is not sexually assaulting anyone. He's deporting. >> He was found guilty of it. >> Is deporting >> Eugene Carol. He was found guilty of it. That was the biggest fraud case ever. That woman was nuts. >> All right. >> He is deporting criminals out of our country that should be deported. >> No, he isn't. Twothirds of the people held in Alligator Alcatraz right now have no criminal record >> or they have no visa or they're not >> which is against the law. >> Yeah. Or they have fraud in different ways. >> So where where in the Bible >> where in the Bible did Jesus >> they broke the law? Where in the Bible did Jesus say, "If you don't have a visa, you." >> If you break the law, you shouldn't be here. >> But he dumped a whole ocean on a bunch of Egyptians. >> Okay. >> So, you think really in your heart of hearts, you think Donald Trump is incredibly Christian? >> No, but he doesn't have to be. >> You just said if you're not a Christian, that's what Christianity is. >> Yeah. He's doing God's work. I do believe he believes >> he's kind of like the modernday Moses. >> If you would ask him, I'm sure he's going to say yes, he believes in God. >> It's okay. >> Charlie Kirk was his biggest fan. >> Okay. >> And he was that of Charlie Kirk. Christians believe in God. >> And when you look at like he is building this $300 million ballroom. He's covering everything in gold. Everything is about image. You think that's Christian? >> Why not to have a place to bring foreign people in to make our country be a better place? >> Well, I mean, we'll see if he actually gets >> Why is it not Christian? >> Yeah. >> You tell me what's wrong with >> Because Christianity, one of the other big tenants, is about charity. It's helping those that are less fortunate. >> Helps a lot of people. helping Christians >> and so does his wife. >> Okay, this is getting nowhere. >> That's correct. It's getting nowhere. >> I do want to talk about that ballroom quickly though. So, the architect who was designing it for him bailed. Said, "You're a idiot. I'm out." Now, he can't find anybody to finish the project. And it is just a giant gaping hole sitting next to the White House. My prediction is that ballroom ain't going to get built and it's just going to be a big mess of rubble for the next president to deal with. Or if it does get built, it's going to be built by somebody who is so bad who's just a Trump fan that's like, I'll do it for you that it's going to collapse. >> Why do I always >> That's your opinion and it doesn't mean to me. >> Why do I always hear about these these things out of your mouth? I have read nothing about that that it's not going to be finished. I haven't seen any of that in the news anywhere. >> I know >> you make up more than anybody on earth or >> Google it. >> Okay, let's have that on next Wednesday. I'd love to see that. >> Let's move on to our first actual topic here. Uh, thank you for your question. I'm sorry there was no answer whatsoever, but it is interesting to watch you guys do this kind of >> answer. >> Okay, stop. >> Get a job, move out of your mom's house. >> Stop. >> Who are you talking to? >> No one. >> Our listener. Okay, >> please stop. >> Yeah, I I don't understand why you even think that. >> It's obvious. >> How is it obvious? What are the signs that you >> It's obvious to me. >> Let's go to >> It'll never be obvious to you. >> Okay, first topic. Oil thieves. This week, Trump seized a Venezuelan oil tanker named Skipper in the Caribbean Sea by way of a dramatic helicopter boarding the vessel with armed US forces, including the Coast Guard, FBI, and Homeland Security who were met with no resistance whatsoever. Trump officials say the tanker had previously been sanctioned because of its alleged involvement in an illicit oil shipping network with ties to Iran and terrorist groups. But it seems far more likely that Trump is simply stealing the 2 million barrels of Venezuelan crude oil on the ship. Venezuelan's government led by President Nicholas Maduro condemned the action as quote an act of international piracy and a blatant theft of its natural resources. Mom, why do you think Trump stole the Venezuelan oil tanker? Because this oil, it was black market oil, which number one, they weren't for sure where it's going, but it was probably going to be shipped to overseas, Islamic, revolutionary people, and we stopped it. That simple. >> Okay. D, >> we are we're at war. We're at war with them. It was black market. >> You can deny it all you want. We're at fullcale war with them. and anything they put out on the ocean, we're gonna take it. >> That president has like over six shipping uh big cargo companies. And who knows where this oil is going >> probably to the people that want to kill us. That's why Trump stopped it. >> We are at war. You can deny it all you want. Venezuela is going down. >> When you're saying we're at war, there has been no formal declaration of war. >> Doesn't matter. >> Okay. I don't give a whether Congress condones it or not. They're as inept as you as you are at making this stuff up. >> They're as inept as I am at making this stuff up. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um >> we're at war with Venezuela. If you deny that, you're an idiot. >> I'm not denying it. I'm saying there's been no formal declaration. So you believe any president has the ability to just go to war without Congress sanctioning it? >> Sure do. for our safety. >> World War II, Pearl Harbor, he declared war on Japan. He didn't ask the Congress, >> right? But a very clear act of war had been taken against America on that day. They attacked a military base. >> Millions of barrels of oil to our dead enemies. >> Either Syria or >> it's not an act of war, but you need to go back and stick your nose in something else. >> What should I stick it in? >> I don't know. Nancy Pelosi, >> stop it. This is not going well. >> It's code [laughter] for >> I can't take it. Really? I'm gonna walk away and just let you and Chad battle. [laughter] >> Okay. >> God damn. >> There's no battle. He's dead wrong. And he knows it. >> Okay. Do Okay, Mom. Let me ask Dad. Do you think America should be able to steal anything at once from any country? >> No. Not from any country. From countries we're at or with. So, anything Venezuela puts on the ocean, it's ours. It belongs to me, the United States of America. >> And if he goes in there with troops on the ground, God bless him. It's time to start killing the cartel. >> Whether it's drugs or oil and it's gone. >> What about private Venezuelan citizens who are just out on their sailboat? Should we be able to take those? >> They're just >> Of course not. No. >> They're tough They shouldn't be out on their sailboats. Those those boats don't have that. >> You're at war with a bigger power. That's That'd be like after Pearl Harbor, you go take your little dinghy and drive around out there. >> Those boats, [laughter] private people don't have the big um engines on them and buzzing 100 miles an hour with drugs. >> Okay. >> They wouldn't get out there anyway, Chad. So, that's a silly question and you know that. >> So, Dad, for you it's about the the size and the power of the country. So, does that apply all the way down the line? >> No. Okay. >> It's about what they're doing to the United States of America. >> Venezuela is trying to undermine us >> and cut us off to anything that we think is good for the United States. That makes that entire country at war with me. And and I don't give a if they're civilians or not. I'll blow their ass up, too. >> You will. >> I would if I was president of the United States. If you're if you're Venezuelan and you're on the ocean, you're dead. >> That's actually an interesting area to explore. Dad, if you were president of the United States, what is the first thing you'd do? >> I would bomb Venezuela. >> Not China. >> No. >> Okay. >> China China will be hurt by those millions of barrels of oil they're not getting. >> And Syria and Iran probably too. No, not Iran. Syria probably. In fact, if you if you uh confiscated Venezuela and and made it part of the United States under military command, uh China would fall on its ass. >> And you did hear President Trump say that there will be revenge against Syria now because they killed our Americans, our soldiers, and and civilians. >> You you see your problem with your side of the fence? You guys set sat idly by with your thumb in your ass, sitting here thinking, "Oh, everything's fine. It's not fine. Venezuela is our dead mortal enemy. >> Okay, please be nice. >> All right, [snorts] let's move on to topic number two. >> Epstein photos. This week, House Democrats released new photos from the estate of Jeffrey Epste. The photos came from a large trove of roughly 95,000 images that Epste's estate provided to Congress after being subpoenaed. Trump, Bill Clinton, Woody Allen, Steve Bannon, Bill Gates, Harvard President Larry Summers, Richard Branson, Alan Dersowitz, and Prince Andrew all appear in these photos, which depict Hillary Clinton. >> Okay, >> she wasn't in the new photos, which depict >> She was in the photos. >> She was in the first wave, but she wasn't in these new ones. Uh, all of these photos depict these men in social settings with Epstein and women whose faces have been redacted. >> Why is that? It's my question, remember? Go ahead, Ch. >> No, there's no question yet. But why is what, Dad? >> Why are they redacted? >> The women. >> Yeah. >> Because they're very likely victims of >> all of the sexual assaults that were occurring on Epstein's Island. >> You think? >> Yes. What do you mean? >> No. Let me ask this question. >> I'll ask you, Mom. Do you think the people in these pictures with Epstein, we're talking about Trump, Bill Clinton, Bannon, Woody Allen, >> we're talking about the women, >> go ahead. >> Do you think that these guys knew what Epstein was doing? >> Yes. But the photo with Donald Trump and those women, that was an old photo. Donald Trump were all old photos >> owned Miss Universe organization for 20 years almost. He he was in charge of that organization and owned it. >> He bragged about walking into the dressing room and seeing the women naked. >> That particular photo where their faces were covered up. >> That was him posing with adult contestants of a Miss Universe pageant long ago. >> All right. I I'm not. >> The Democrats had [snorts] to release it and black out the adult women beauty pageant faces to insinuate that they were minors, which is a complete lie. The Democrats to me have hit an all-time low. They have nothing else to go on. >> They blocked out everybody's faces in those photos who weren't known people. >> They have nothing else to go on. They're trying to do anti-Trump. >> No, you're wrong about that. There there are pictures in that batch of photos that like there's one of Jeffrey Epste sitting at his desk and I think Bannon is sitting across from him. On Epstein's desk there's a photo of a woman. >> They blacked her face out. >> That's Bannon. That's not Trump sitting there. >> Right. But I'm saying they even blacked out someone's face that was in a photo in the photo. They're just removing the identities of anybody who is not a public figure. >> That's right. And they're putting photos in there that shouldn't belong. That was not a photo from Epstein Island with girls. >> It's a photo that Epstein had >> at an all-time low. >> I mean, the Democrats are trying to uh assimilate this with victims that Donald Trump was standing with the the pageant winners. Who cares? What's that prove? >> He was the head of that organization. He's with the pretty women standing there with them. What does that prove in regard to him being a sex offender? Nothing. >> Why did Epste have that photo? >> Because a long time ago they were friends before they split, right? Trump got away from him. Trump is the one that took him down. Chad, I've told you this a million times. It's going to come out. >> Trump is Oh, right. I keep forgetting. You believe that Trump was an FBI informant? >> I'm not I don't know if he's FBI, but he was an informant. He was the ones that started to say, "Hey, this guy's bad. We got to take him down." Why has Trump never said that? >> I do not know. >> Okay. Because it didn't happen. >> Okay. >> Um, >> Dad, does it mean anything to you that all these various guys are in these photos with Epstein? >> It depends on when they were in these photos with Epstein. >> These are all >> timing is everything. >> Yeah. Okay. I mean during the time when it was Trump Tower and New York and everybody wanted to go to New York, there were a lot of pictures taken with our President Trump, it was like an honor to be there with him in New York. >> The one guy missing the one guy missing in all these photos is the one guy who's behind the whole mess, and that's Barack Obama. >> Okay, >> this is true. He's probably in some photos. >> Okay. Well, there we haven't seen him. Do you don't you think if those photos existed, Trump would put them out immediately? >> I don't know. Or Obama might threaten to do something to him, you know, the way they have with like Jeff. >> So, you believe Trump has photos of Obama with Epstein, but Obama is threatening Trump? >> I'm not saying he has them, but I'm telling you, and there may not be any. And >> but but the behind this whole operation is Barack Obama. >> Okay. Um do you think the other guys >> more he's had more people killed than any politician in America. >> And Clinton's right along with him. I do believe. >> I want to go through the list of people that were in these pictures. And you I'm just going to say their name. You tell me if they knew about or were engaged in the illegal activities with Epstein. Right. >> This is just our opinion. Yeah. We don't know. >> Prince Andrew. >> Well, that kind of has been proven, I guess. Yes. >> Okay. How has it been proven? >> Uh that they took away his um crown and all that and kind of exiled him and >> Okay. Alan Dersowitz. >> I don't know. >> I wouldn't be surprised. Richard Branson. >> Well, he he flew a lot of airplanes down that way. I I mean, Chad, this is opinion. Who knows about that, >> right? But all of these What I'm getting at is there are all of these guys in various echelons of public society. You have Woody Allen, you have Richard Branson's a billionaire, the president of Harvard, Larry Summers, Bill Gates is in these these pictures. You have all of these very powerful guys hanging out with him, >> right? >> Do you think none of them knew what was going on? >> No, of course they did. I would like to know in regard to pictures, too. >> Barack Obama, >> the year. What are the years on these pictures? >> What does that have anything to do with it? You either were hanging out with one of the most notorious criminal pedophiles in the history of America. >> Yes. >> Or you weren't. >> Yes. In my opinion, it would be yes to everyone. >> We're just making up as we go along. I I I heard somewhere, don't know where it was, Obama had his own bedroom on the island. >> We're not There are pictures of this. No one's making any of this up. >> Yeah, you are. >> Okay. Let me ask you this. >> Okay. >> These photos were released by House Democrats, not the DOJ. Their deadline, by the way, the DOJ's deadline for releasing all of the Epstein files is in five days. the 19th of this month. Why do you think they have not released the files yet? >> Because it's going to blow everything out of the water. Everything. >> I mean, yeah, >> I'm assuming Obama's got his thumb on them. >> Okay. >> Or Clinton's. >> Okay. Let's uh simmer down, shall we? >> Ain't going so well, is it? [laughter] My question is this. Mom, you were a teacher for most of your career. Uh, high school athletics coach as well, tennis. Dad, you did a variety of financial kind of things toward the back half of your career. I guess really it was trading, uh, weather and natural gas, commodities, these types of things. If you could have had a different career, what would it have been? Mom, >> I would have been a veterinarian and I should have done it. And there was a time, a tiny little sliver of time where I should have jumped into it because I had my first four years. I had another whole year. Dad said, "Do it." But we didn't have the money. >> You were a little baby. We were going to have another baby. Life got in the way. I would have been a veterinarian. I love animals. I could have done it. I've seen so many horse vets now do things. I've seen so many dog vets do things. I could have done that, >> you know. I could have and I think brain power I would have had it to be able to pass everything and all the exams, but I'm too old now. I had a friend become a vet at age >> I'm trying to think what age she was, 60, 59. She said it was hard as hell, so I can't do it now. But that's what I would have done. I would have been a veterinarian. >> What would you have been? >> I'd have been a trader sooner. >> Oh, come on. You wouldn't have been a football coach. >> Oh, yeah. >> I'd rather trade. >> Wow. Okay. I thought for sure be a football coach. >> He Yeah, he did at one he did want to do that early on at one time in our lives, but we had to make money, too. >> Okay. So, your answer to what different career would you have had is the same career, just done it more, >> done it longer and started sooner. >> Okay. Interesting. All right. Uh, let's move on to our >> Chad. >> Yeah. >> What about your career? Oh, you always ask us and you forget. >> I always forget. Sorry. Um, >> yeah. >> I mean, what even is my career? I make like art. I guess I make podcasts and write and do little projects. Uh, it would be something creative. I mean, you know what it really would have been? I think music. I would have been a musician. You still can be. Sell your songs. Chad K. >> I put them out. If anybody out there wants to hear any of the songs I've made, just go on Spotify, look up Chad K. >> Chad K. >> My best album, I think, is a country album called For the Right Reasons. That's um it's like about the Bachelor essentially if you watch the Bachelor reality show. But the songs are actually good, I think. But I made a bunch of different music. It's all under Chad K on Spotify. >> That reminded me of one thing. I would have been one other thing. >> Okay. a backup dancer for Michael Jackson. [laughter] >> Yeah, that'd be I mean you know what? If we're if we're going pure theoretical, you could do literally anything. I would probably be >> a an astronaut or a pro basketball player. >> Ah, basketball. I thought you say baseball. >> No, I think basketball would be way more fun. I still might get my shot at that because I do believe he's still alive somewhere. >> Michael Jackson, >> maybe. >> Okay, let's move on to our next topic. Christy Gnome, liar. This week, Secretary of Homeland Security and proud dog killer Christy Gnome appeared before the House Committee on Homeland Security where Democrats asked her about alleged violations of due process and abusive tactics used by ICE and DHS under her leadership. But the biggest moment of the hearing came when Seth Magaziner asked her if DHS had ever deported US military veterans. Gnome lied, saying DHS had not deported US citizens or military veterans. The representative then produced a live Zoom call with a purple heart decorated US Army veteran named Se Jun Park who Gnome deported earlier this year to South Korea after living decades in the United States. In addition, Representative Seth Molton released a letter from Gnome's own office confirming that at least eight veterans had been deported under DHS immigration actions. Clearly embarrassed by being caught in her lie, Nome abruptly left the hearing, citing a FEMA meeting, which later we all found out did not even exist. It had been cancelled. Dad, why did Christine Gnome lie about deporting veterans? >> She didn't. >> Okay. She deported South Koreans who who got a green card and joined the military and lived here a long time. But they're still South Koreans. >> No, that's a veteran. This guy was an army veteran who won a Purple Heart. >> He got he got into the military >> after obtaining a green card. He never was a US citizen. >> That's not the question. The question is, did you deport veterans? She said no. That's a lie. Well, no, it's not. >> Yeah, this guy is a US. >> She sees she sees them as illegal South Koreans. >> Do you think this guy he has a Purple Heart? Do you consider him a military veteran? >> No. >> Yes, he is a veteran, but veterans are not exempt, Chad, if they break. >> That's not That is not the question that >> is not the question. The question she was asked is, "Have you ever deported a veteran, a US military veteran?" She said, "No." >> That dude pulled up a Zoom call with a US Army veteran who she deported. >> Chad, that's a blatant lie. >> I watched it live. >> Okay. >> She should have stated that [snorts] veterans can be deported if they break the law. Let me speak. Let me speak. >> Hang on. Hang on. Mom, wait just one second. >> I agree with you. All she had to say, >> let mom talk. >> Let Let Chad say, "What do you want to say?" >> All she had to say was, "Let you read a goddamn paragraph and a half on this shit." Quiet. Go ahead, Chad. >> Quiet, little piggy. >> The big piggy. >> Stop. >> I'm the big piggy. I don't know. >> Damn it. >> We We were just home. I don't know if I'm the big piggy. >> Go Chad. All Christine Gnome would have had to have said is, "Yes, we have deported some US military veterans." She did not say that. >> She did not. >> She said, "No, we have not." The That is a lie. >> But see, you guys caught her off guard. She should have said >> caught her off guard. This is the Secretary of Homeland Security. >> Okay, let me read what I want to read. Mr. Park in 2009 was convicted on drug possession, Chad, and bail related offenses and served two and a half to three years in prison. Okay. Um his green card was in uh revoked. He started deportation processes. He was allowed to stay under deferred action [snorts] and then from there in 2025 that deferred action was terminated. he could no longer stay because of that drug charge. He either had to selfport or be removed. His Purple Heart and service did not protect him from criminal charges. So, he selfported. She really didn't deport him. He went on his own. I read it. He self-deported. >> Okay. Once again, the question she was asked is, "Have you deported any US military veterans?" She said, "No." Now, it's not only >> him. He self-deported. >> Yeah. You didn't listen to what? Mom read it. >> It's not only this guy >> on his own. He left on his own. >> DHS being a piggy. >> DHS even admitted they have deported eight other military veterans. I don't know all the details of that, but they admitted it. She lied. And then she got embarrassed in being caught in the lie and fled the goddamn meeting. >> Picked that up with the and left. >> There is a lot of >> I can't believe you don't think she lied. It's on camera. >> I watched it. In 1952, there was this act called McCarron, if you say that right. Walters Act, which still controls a lot of deportations, including from all past, presents, and future. Chad, what makes someone deportable? I'm not asking. I'm not Look, I'm not saying some of these people didn't commit crimes and and can be deported. >> What I'm talking about is her lying. >> I want to know why. >> That's a crime. >> That's right. She didn't state what she should have stated correctly. Uh, but our deportation laws right now are strict and I'm happy they are. >> I am not even asking about that. I'm asking about Christy Gnome. >> Yes. >> One of the most powerful members of Trump's cabinet lying to Congress on camera. >> She just said no to veterans ever being deported. Right. >> That's a lie. She was then presented with evidence to the contrary, debunking her lie. She then fled the hearing. >> I think she >> Sorry, I've got to go to a FEMA meeting. It doesn't exist. The meeting was cancelled there. That meeting did not exist. >> It had to be cancelled and she didn't know about it apparently. >> This is unreal. >> Oh, this is unreal. >> Can you just say that she lied? >> She didn't state it correctly what she should have said. >> Can you say Christine Gnome lied to Congress? >> She didn't state the correct >> Right. I get it. Can you say Christine lied to Congress? I do believe she did, but veterans are not exempt. She should have said that. >> I'm not talking about whether they're exempt or not. I am talking about one of the biggest, most important members of the presidential cabinet openly lying to Congress and then when caught in the lie, fleeing the hearing. >> No, I don't see it like that. I don't see it that she fleed because she thought she lied. >> Okay. Um >> I really don't. Well, now there are rumors that he's going to fire her. Do you think that's gonna >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't see that happening. I think she's doing a great job. Just remember that Mr. Park, he did have a criminal record. >> I don't care about that. >> Some little man that had been here for 20 years. >> Okay, you are way hung up on this. I do not give a whether you think it was valid. whether it was valid to deport him or not, whether you think he deserved to be deported, whether his crimes were real or bad or whatever. I don't care about any of that. I'm asking about the Secretary of Homeland Security lying to Congress on camera and then realizing how bad it looked and literally making up another lie to get out of the hearing. >> What is the lie that you're stating the first one that no veteran had ever been deported? >> Yes. >> Okay. Was he deported? >> No. >> He self deepported. So she did not deport him >> on his own. >> All right. >> You get that? Okay. >> Do your thick skull. >> Uhhuh. All right. Let's move on. >> Let's move on. >> Uh what else are we going to do here? Let me do this one. Goodbye tourism. No, let's do this one. Trump stealing taxpayer money. This week, uh reporting emerged about Donald Trump Jr. being awarded a $620 million contract by the Department of Defense, aka the Department of War. >> The company that received the contract, Vulcan Elements, is a small startup that began manufacturing rare earth magnets in March of this year for use in drones, radars, and other military equipment. Vulcan, is backed by 1789 Capital, a venture capital firm that has Donald Trump Jr. as a partner. This deal was described as the largest ever award by the Pentagon's Office of Strategic Capital, which is under the leadership of one Pete Hegsth. Trump Jr. also holds a multi-million dollar stake in a company called Unusual Machines that received another contract with US government to make drones. And reports indicate that at least four companies in the 1789 capital portfolio have received government contracts this year totaling more than $735 million from the Trump administration. Mom, why do you think all of a sudden Donald Trump Jr. is getting almost a billion dollars worth of government contracts? >> Because he's trying to make our country safe by making the drones, by making whatever chips he's trying to help people do. >> Well, we can trust him. >> I would rather our government give him the funds and the money >> than what happened with another son that took money from China >> and then we had to do favors back to China. >> Okay. So, you believe you're talking about Hunter Biden. >> His name is Biden, by the way. >> You believe Hunter Biden was taking Chinese money? >> Yes. >> In this scenario, Donald Trump is taking your money and giving it to his son. >> That's right. >> And making our country better. >> And And he will he can be trusted to get the job done. >> Uh he's never had any kind of business dealings or experience in any of these things that he's now buying or that he's producing. >> The Gallivant. Should I answer? Yes. >> What? No. Don't put No. No. Tell her we're on the show. You can't just >> No, I can't talk to you. Chad just said I can't talk to you. I'll call you back. Bye, Gallivent. That was mean. >> You can't just like answer a phone call and have it recorded without the person knowing. >> That's our daughter. >> Okay. >> She's part of the show. >> Oh my god. All right. So you think Donald Trump all of a sudden Donald Trump >> is your God a Christian? >> Huh? >> You said my God isn't a Christian. >> My God? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. >> What is your God? >> Uh existence, human consciousness. >> And why are you reaching out to him? >> Now I got to text Haley. I'm so sorry. >> We all are constantly. >> Um unless she wants to come on the show or something. I can send her a quick invite if she's home. But um the question I want to ask mom, can you just focus on this for a second? >> I'm right here, bud. Right here. >> Right here, bud. >> I'm right here, bud. >> Um why do you think Donald Trump Jr. all of a sudden is in these companies that are making drones and magnets for radars when he has never done anything like that in the course of his life? >> Because he's getting some money because who his dad is, >> right? >> And he can be trusted. You don't see this as corrupt in any way? >> No. >> No. >> That Donald Trump is giving money to his son, which is effectively just giving money to >> No. He gave money to companies that his son is part of. >> Part of that is true. >> His son may not even have controlling interest of any of these companies. Did you check that out? >> That is true. >> Do you think his son is making money off of these deals? >> Sure he is. >> Okay. And you don't find that corrupt in any way? >> No. Why not? >> Because you found it corrupt with Hunter Biden. >> That's because there's a big difference between >> China. >> Hunter Biden and Donald Trump's son. >> In what way? >> Coke. >> The guy think Donald Trump Jr. does cocaine. >> Donald Trump's son can be trusted. Hunter Biden cannot. >> Coke head. >> Okay. >> Coke in the White House. CocaCola. >> Okay. So, you see nothing wrong with Donald Trump giving >> almost a billion dollars of taxpayer money to his son? >> Yeah, >> I've said no to that question now about seven times. Don't ask it again. >> Okay. >> Okay. Goodbye tourism. Next topic. This week, Chrissy Gnome proposed an idea for new requirements to be applied to international visitors to the United States. Under the proposal, visitors from roughly 42 countries, including US allies like the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Australia, South Korea, and others. under the visa waiver program could be required to provide up to five years worth of social media history with their travel authorization. They would also potentially have to submit telephone numbers used over the past five years, email addresses used over the past 10 years, and extensive family background information as well as biometric data, including facial recognition, fingerprints, iris scans, possibly even DNA DNA. Tourism and travel industry groups have warned that the proposal could deter visitors, harm travel demand to the US, and damage diplomacy, especially ahead of major events like the 2026 World Cup. Um, let me ask you this. Should anybody who wants to visit the United States have to supply the past five years of their social media and their DNA? Mom, >> why not? I love it. >> They do now. [snorts] They can't just walk across the border like they did. >> You can't trust UK at all. >> No, >> they're as bad as Venezuela. In fact, we should be at war with the UK. >> That you know when the >> under what pretense, Dad? >> When the borders were open and anybody could walk through, that's why we have like what 8 to 10,000 terrorists walking around us on the streets and in the cities ready to take us down. I would rather UK's already compromised. A lot of stuff like that done to people as they enter than nothing at all. >> They've already been compromised. >> The UK is nothing but a small Muslim country. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We can show you clips on that. >> When is the last time you guys went to a different country? >> Never. >> Long time ago. Mexico. Probably Mexico. >> Japan. >> Dad's been in >> and Canada. Bam. Mexico. Hawaii. That's not a different country. But >> no, Hawaii is not a different country. >> No, it's a different state. >> What information did you have to provide those countries when you went to them? >> Passports. >> Well, that was a long time ago. >> Identification and passports. >> 30 years ago, the world was in a different state than it is now. So, that's a dumb question. Yes. Right. Do you think that requiring visitors coming to the United States to supply all of this stuff will deter them from coming? >> Yes, I hope >> if they don't have the proper uh documents. Yes, >> I hope the hell it does. >> It's going to make our United States more safe. >> Do you think other countries should require this of US citizens going into their >> want to? More power to them. >> Why not? >> Right. >> It will cause the bad people to stay where they are and get out. You don't think >> you're either American or you're not? >> Uhhuh. You don't think that um a terrorist or somebody who wants to come into this country to do harm could just manufacture five years of fake social media data? >> Sure. >> They probably did and they already walked across with no documents when Biden was here. >> Okay, let's move on to our final topic. Trump's list. This week, Trump launched a new tabloid style media offenders list hosted on the official White House website. The list includes journalists, news outlets, and media figures that Trump doesn't like. The governmentr run database targets anyone who has reported on Trump in an unfavorable way, like CNN, MSNBC, CBS News, the Washington Post, New York Times, and Associated Press. They are all categorized under allegations like false claims. >> They are all categorized under allegations like false claims, bias, or misrepresentation. The website also features a quote hall of shame and repeat offenders leaderboard suggesting a running tally of perceived offenses publicly labeling domestic critics and journalists as offenders and an open authoritarian tactic is an open authoritarian tactic to limit free speech and turn the public against the press. Uh Dad, I already know all your answers, but I'll ask you anyway. Do you think >> Why are you asking questions? [laughter] Because sometimes you will say something that is is shocking even in the context of your misunderstanding of reality. But I will ask you nonetheless. Do you think the White House should be hosting an anti-journalism website? >> Yes. >> Fake news. >> Are you against journalism? >> Yes. >> Fake news. >> But who determines what's fake? >> Me. >> From my personal point of view, me. No one knows anymore with AI. >> I'm who determines whether I'm watching fake news or real news. I do that. >> Okay. >> Okay. And you do a bad job of it. But >> it's not up It's not up to CNN to tell me that they're not fake. >> I agree with you on that. It is not up to CNN to say we are the best news or the real news or whatever. >> Totally agree. But it's also not up to the president and the White House to say this is bad news. This is good news. Because you can see how that's authoritarian, right? >> But he knows what's fake and what isn't. I guess >> this has been going on for decades. It's time to put a stop to it. >> Time to put a stop to the freedom of press. >> That's not freedom of press. Your press that you watch every day, >> New York Times, Politico, CNN, all those people, they've been lying to the public for decades. I agree with you 100%. So has Fox News. Fox News, in fact, was caught lying so bad they had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the Dominion Voting Machine. >> Fox News, >> right? >> Okay. So, but you're just saying CNN, MSNBC, they're all lying. The right also lies. They have been found criminally liable for their lies. Hello. >> Yes. >> Do you agree with that? >> Happen to me. I don't give a what happens outside of what I think. >> I try to watch a little bit of everything and try to figure it out. That's all we can do. Okay? Because both sides are lying. >> I've seen I've seen those other networks just flat ass lie through their teeth when I know it's a fact that they're lying. >> I'm not disputing that. I agree with you. All mainstream media >> liking me. Okay. >> I get my news from Newsmax. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay. I mean, there's there's there's so much there to unpack. Newsmax is way worse than Fox News. All I'm saying is this. >> I get, you know, where I get some of my news. I get some of my news from um from podcasts that I listen to and watch that I like. That's where I get a lot of my news. >> Okay. This is what I'm getting at. >> You are saying you get to determine what's fake news. >> That's right. >> And that's fine. That means all news should be open to you and available without bias from the White House. You get to make that decision, not the White House. >> The government saying this is not news is authoritarian. That is what dictators do. They come in. >> Yeah, but that's what Trump believes. >> So you think Trump's a dictator? >> He's trying to be. I don't think he's smart enough to know that would mean >> Okay, we don't need to argue about that. >> I know exactly what it would mean. One of the biggest things is squashing freedom of the press, which he's trying to do with this website. He's saying these news outlets and and by some accounts, it's like people he's got like uh I want to say Jake Tapper maybe is up there. He's got like some of the reporters literally on the website that is like targeting them. If you're a Trump supporter and you go there and you see Don Lemon's face or something, I'm not sure that he's on the website, but I'm just saying he does have some people on that website. Talk about freedom of of speech and press. Remember when they took Trump off uh web uh social media and wouldn't let him say a darn word on things. >> I So that's not right either. >> I Yes. I'm not saying it was I I don't agree with with that. I think he they he should have been allowed to be on those uh Twitter and whatever. >> You're not I'm gonna win this one. I watch all different things and then try to make my best choice in my head which is right and which is wrong. >> Okay. So, >> including podcasts that I love. >> That's fine. The the question I'm getting at is do you think the White House should be telling people what news is good and what news is bad? >> Yes, I absolutely do. >> You don't see how it's a problem that the White House >> trust Donald Trump more than I trust anybody on those other networks. Do you know how the news works in Russia? >> No. >> Yes, I do. >> How does it work? >> Controls everything, >> right? >> They probably don't have news, >> right? >> They have state sponsored news. >> Any news that is broadcast on television. >> You think Donald Trump is like Putin, you're full of >> He's trying to be. >> I don't think he's he's as smart. >> Nancy Pelosi. >> Okay. >> What? >> He's bringing up Nancy Pelosi again. She's pure and you're dipping into it. >> Oh my god. >> Okay, >> so you guys have no problem with Donald Trump essentially trying to destroy I mean >> all the media. No, I do not. >> Okay. And this also plugs into um >> So you can move on the lion pile of too. >> Okay. >> This also moves into his desire to have Paramount by uh Warner Brothers. so that they get control of CNN. >> That'd be good. >> And then it becomes state sponsored media because the guy the family who's buying up all this >> are Trump loyalists. What's that? >> I don't know. Maybe someday they'll take us down where we can't talk on YouTube. >> Exactly. Correct. >> Or Tik Tok. >> Yes. >> Or Instagram. >> I've already seen some changes in Tik Tok that are pretty interesting. >> They are um purposely kind of limiting anything that is against Trump. That would be sad for a five viewers. >> And we do love each and every one of you. We really do. >> I look back on some of the stuff when we first started. I can't believe it. We had like maybe a thousand people watching us. >> I can't believe it. It's grown. >> It has indeed. Um, okay. So, you have no problem with authoritarian rule. You are bootlickers. Thank you for joining me. Um, before we go, >> is [laughter] >> how does that mean? He always stabs us in the heart and then he goes, "Here, >> thank you." [laughter] >> That's what you guys are. You welcome the authoritarian rule over your lives. >> Okay. Well, I welcome you as my son. I love you, Chad. I love you, Haley. Sorry Chad wouldn't let me pick up the phone from you. She's still >> I just didn't want you to have a conversation with her that she didn't know was being recorded. >> I could have told her. >> Okay. Well, whatever the case, um, thank you everybody for joining me. Before we say our I love views, I will also say this to anyone watching. I'm going to be doing, if you're watching this on Sunday, I'm going to be doing a live tonight right here on YouTube where I'll be answering questions about this show or any other questions that you might have. Please join me at 6 PM PST uh right here on our YouTube channel. >> How do they do that? I don't understand because I need my MAGA friends to dial in and give you some Nancy Pelosi Um, how do they do it, Chad? I don't get it. How do they do what? >> How do they dial in to ask a question? >> Dial in. >> You said they got to dial in for a question. >> No, you just type it. It's a chat. >> Okay. >> It's a YouTube live. Have you ever watched anything on YouTube? [laughter] >> So I No, not live. So I could dial in or I could go live. >> If you want to join, you can literally be on the screen with me. We can be talking just like this while people are asking us questions if you want to join me. But it's going to be late for you. It's going to be 8 o'clock for you. Oh, that's way too late. I'll be in my PJs. Exactly. Maybe one night when I'm not in my PJs. >> So, anybody out there who wants to join me for that 6 PM PST, I'm going to be doing it every Sunday from here on out or or almost all Sundays from here on out. May take one or two off, but yeah, join me for that. Mom, I love you. Thank you for doing the show with me every week. Dad, I love you, too, despite the fact that um >> you're >> you are like you are. >> I love you, Chad. I love you, Mom. >> I love Chad. I love Haley. I love Marilyn. >> I love Haley as well. I hope you're >> Get out of that hospital, Haley. Get out of that hospital, girl. >> Hopefully, she'll be back next week or maybe even Wednesday to discuss the harrowing details of all she has experienced in the past. >> She's trying. She said she has bruises all over. >> Oh god. >> Yeah. >> Thanks for joining us. I'll uh we'll be back soon. >> Bye. We did it.