Happy Mother's Day

America is deeply divided there are only two sides to every issue and there is no interest in finding common ground not even with members of your own family but as the 2024 presidential election Looms on the horizon there has never been a more important time to have the necessary conversation welcome to the necessary conversation I'm Chad couchin we got a bit of a different episode today my dad is not here only my mom and my sister Haley are joining me and today I don't think we're going to talk about politics because we're recording this on Sunday May 12th which is Mother's Day both of you are mothers Happy Mother's Day thank you Chad so I just wanted to talk about some motherly things uh for an hour mom I have this question for you oh Lord I would like are you sick sorry are you sick hay a little bit oh God a mother can never stop being a mother now no I would like you to tell the stories of when first of all when did you first become a mother mom the day I guess you were born can you was born walk us through that day it was a hot summer day in June 1976 what was it like it was not a hot day oh it was dreary and rainy your father was in the military he was in the Air Force he was supposed to be home about 4 o'l in the afternoon from his job on the base we lived 15 miles away approximately and he called me at about 2: he said I'll be home at 4: uh but he said I'll stop maybe by the commissary too and get some food I said okay hang on hang on let's get some context here how old are you how old was I [ __ ] 20 20 or 21 was I 20 I think 20 or 21 so you were very young when you had your first kid yes take me through this psychologically emotionally were you scared did you guys plan to have me what was the deal you were planned because we were in love and we wanted to have a baby at your plan and dad was how old 22 or something uhhuh we got married um May 30th 1975 and you came approximately 76 of June So within three months of us being married I was pregnant three months after and you wished this we did want a baby yes we I mean we didn't do any birth control because we wanted a baby and we were in love why do you say love like that because that's why we had you you're a love child thought you like like mocking it yeah no we we both had two years of college yeah and your dad really went back into the air force to get the GI bill and I knew I wanted to finish my last two years too I think the only thing that we did bad when we did move to Spokane to have you those nine months where I just kind of sat around waiting to have a baby I could have went to College there was a college right down the street I probably could have walked it it was that close and I should have went to college we lived in cheny Washington okay and so take us through the day when you first become a mother what was this day like um I woke up the two days prior I had been sleeping 24 hours a day and I knew that wasn't right I was really really tired MH um I gained a lot of weight in that whole last week I had one checkup doctor said you look great see you in a little bit you're going to have that baby soon um and the first day too that um I had seen a doctor that he said you're pregnant this is a proximately your due date he said June 16th so like every day up to Jun June 16th which is the day you were born we'd look at my stomach is he going to be born today I don't know is he going to be born today I don't know and we did have we did know you want to be a boy we did want to know that all that so that day it was kind of dreary out um but before that too was I scared heck yes I was scared how are we gonna get that big thing out of me everybody gets scared for their first baby of course you don't know how this is all GNA happen we did do one child uh birth class and I remember this old lady it was in a basement of a dark and Drey church and spok in Washington and this lady said honey all you got to do is relax your body will just take over just relax and that's what I tried to do I mean we had that breathing stuff I was doing and all that but anyway okay so that day dreary dad said I'll be home after I get groceries at 4: at 3:30 and see we didn't have cell phones and stuff back then at 3:30 I started to get really really bad back pain like oh my God I was like what the hell here's going on so I just started walking little circles around one bean bag that we had in the middle of the floor that's all the furniture and we had a small couch started walking and walking and walking and all of a sudden boom uh the water broke my water broke I was like oh God and Dad wasn't there and we're 15 minutes from the base where they're going to deliver you so I just kept I didn't know what to do I kept kept walking like dummy and Dad get did get home probably 25 minutes later I said it's time let's go he's like time what I oh God anyway so we get there uh he drove quite fast and we got there um checked in everything's fine um it was time they wheeled me down this was approximately three and a half hours later I mean I was still having a lot of pain but no big deal I was giving nothing for pain uh they did put an IV in my arm and that did hurt uh wheeled me down to the delivery table this doctor an older doctor who'd been there forever said oops this baby is sunny side up what's up what the hell do that mean he said he he that's why you had all the back pain we have to turn him he was Sunnyside up your face was the wrong direction I go okay how we going to do this he goes well just hang on went and got and they don't even use these anymore forceps it causes very bad damage to your brain and your head nice that went inside of me plus his hands turned you to the right way pulled you out and as he pulled you out you were going to the bathroom already number two all over yes and and the doctor said uh been here a little bit too long no [ __ ] and I had the I think it's called preclampsia I think where all of those toxins you were pooping inside me hell yeah and that's why I got really sick the last two days and couldn't wake up on that's the gift uh that keeps on giving that's what you get for being a mom all right so that day you come home let me ask you this let me ask you this during the your whole pregnancy and stuff how was dad was he helpful yeah but I mean I was very healthy so I didn't really need any help yeah he was fine he was excited our first baby gonna be born of course very excited all right no wait after they pulled you out you had the football head you came out Dad held you first head um I had a couple stitches nothing bad and the doctor looked at me and said you want to walk back to your room I said I guess he put my feet on the floor propped me up said there you go it was an Air Force Hospital you didn't have much pampering walked back to my room uh two days later or one and a half days later the nurse came in and said would you like a shower or a bath I said oh that'd be wonderful she said here's the comet here's the scrub brush it's down there clean everything up after you're done holy [ __ ] Air Force Air Force hospital I told Dad get me me out of here let's go home and we did grabbed you out of the nursery and off we went so you didn't take the comet shower no I did not I did I waited till I got home okay um and then some four and a half years roughly later you become a mother again to Haley who was sitting here coughing through every second of this podcast she was also planned we knew we wanted another baby got off birth control um I'm trying to think when I found out I was pregnant with her and I think I called Dad at work and said yep we're pregnant he was happy I was happy um her pregnan her pregnancy my pregnancy with her very very easy I taught school right up until about I think a week before she came this time I said I'm going to be pampered that Air Force hospital was crap um and some people told me too me walking back like that I could have hemorrhaged to death sure yeah sure that's the way they did it back then so Haley and and I didn't like the IV it hurt I didn't want one of those so I wanted to wait until the last minute before we had to go to the hospital with haly we ran out of toilet paper it was a Saturday morning I called my mom I said hey uh we're going to go to the hospital maybe for a check I've had a few pains during the night but nothing bad could you watch chat my mom said of course off chat went down to Nanny's house to watch C tunes on a Saturday morning it was probably 8:30 we dump off Chad at 845 we stopped at 711 because we ran out of toilet paper there was no 711 in great B Kansas yes on Broadway dad grabbed the toilet paper uh it might have been called something else but it was like a 7-Eleven grabbed the toilet paper now it's about 5 minutes till 9: in the morning I said okay let's go I feel some pain now let's go we get to the hospital at 900 a.m. we hit the front of the hospital door at 9:00 a.m. your sister was born at 9:16 a.m. wow it was crazy it was like sign your name get me up there I've gotta go I'm pushing I'm pushing no no you're not get on the gurnie no I'm pushing get on the gurnie three pushes and out she came and the doctor was barely there to catch her and now you have 4 seven years of motherhood under your belt my first question is who is your favorite child oh that's a good one yeah there's one simple answer a simple answer here will both of you you don't pick one over the other me yeah you don't pick one over the other you're my firstborn baby boy and she's my firstborn baby girl and what consider wait wait when she po okay when you pop down Theo oh football head popped down she's beautiful she's and now the how quickly the table favorite is how quickly the tables turned after that maybe as children as babies she out beaed me but then very quickly that changed now okay let me ask this mom as a mother what are give me two of your favorite moments of being a mom oh one for each of us or two for me those are the only combinations I'll accept wow two for you what yeah you can have two moments for me or one for each of us but not two for a favorite moment you mean yeah where you were like I'm really glad I'm a mom when you when you the day you were born I've never stopped not wanting to be a mother aside from days that that day how about that day you let me skip school and we went and played tennis and got caught and they put it in the newspaper what I don't remember this what is this favorite I do I was teaching in Emerald High School and I Haley didn't want to go to school for some reason whatever so I let her stay home what grade would you have been in um elementary school right yeah it was an amarillo Elementary School I said okay let's go to it wasn't Amarillo it wasn't Amarillo it was uh Carolton wasn't it no it was the park right by our our house on Linda on Lind Drive Park yes and um I said let's go play some tennis remember the park where Haley rode her bike and hit the pole and knocked herself out that that place on Linda Drive yeah okay so we went and played a little tennis and this lady comes by with a camera and says would you mind if I take a picture I said no that'd be fine so she took pictures of me and Haley playing tennis there in that little tennis court it was Paramount Park was the name of it and lo and behold and I had taken a day off too from school to stay home with her to have fun lo and behold and I called in sick there was our picture in the newspaper so was the person who took the picture like a a beat reporter like breaking the big news of the Emerald High tennis coach skipping school because it was a nice sunny day yes holy [ __ ] and supposed to be sick all right well what has been your proudest moment of each one of us tell me that the graduations College High School Haley One Moment One Moment for each of [Music] us Haley becoming a mother probably on Harper lose when she told us the f word 27 times because I knew that would be her last baby haly becoming a mother okay what about me Dad I'm not a mother no um probably your graduation at USC that was very like wowy woo woo and and the Stevie Nick song playing with the drums and that was fun I memory of that all right so that was your proudest moment of me is college graduation for Haley it was her third baby okay Haley let's turn the lens to you another mother here today on Mother's Day walk us through your first motherhood this would have been Roman who is now just completed his first year of college m um Jesus okay I was 23 so another young mother that runs in our family why and was that a choice or was that accidental no all of our kids were planned okay so you were like I'm 23 it's time to start breeding yeah I wanted I know I wanted kids I knew I wanted kids and I didn't know how many I wanted but I knew I wanted them all like [ __ ] out before I was 30 okay got it so you plan this siring yeah so I was home watching that the spin-off of friends called Joey FR God I remember Joey yeah I remember that right so hugely pregnant like no real complications I got real big and fat that was about it with Roman but like no real complications of any kind so it was pretty easy um I was home watching Joey so it was like probably 600 or 7even seub was getting his MBA at the time so he was doing night classes after a full day of work uh up at TCU and I was watching Joey and there was an audible pop like and I just kind of like what the [ __ ] yeah like an audible pop water [ __ ] everywhere all over the couch I stand up it doesn't stop so I'm just like kind of waddling to the bathroom and a trail is just following me I'm like okay um so I call C du but he's in class so I left a message and then I called Mom and Dad and I said so my water broke should probably come get me to the [ __ ] hospital and you guys lived in the same town for context you lived like five minutes away five minutes away from us so I changed all my clothes put on like 30 [ __ ] pads 12 pairs of underwear three pairs of pants like it's leaking everywhere a towel wrapped around me um they pull up Dad has like the back seat is [ __ ] like blanket on blanket on towel I think he made me sit on phone books didn't because he doesn't want you to get the B so amniotic fluid in the car so there's just I'm sitting on like [ __ ] you know two feet of like just padding I don't remember that oh I [ __ ] remember that and so we get to the hospital they get me back in my room or whatever seub shows up you know like an hour later um I'm in the throws of labor at this point very painful I think I'm like four or five centimeters mom's crying because I'm in so much pain she's like get her the epidural just get her the epidural um so I get the epidural but it doesn't work so they've jabbed me in my spine I'm kind of numb not really and I'm also having contractions which is probably the most painful thing I've ever experienced so the contractions the jab to the [ __ ] spine it's not really working so they redo it they redo the [ __ ] jab to the spine um that time they inject me with so much [ __ ] medication I am 100% from bottom of the rib cage to my toes I can't move I feel paralyzed so I feel like I've been overdosed yeah uh also not pleasant so when they say oh you're a [ __ ] 10 time to push I have no control of like any of the muscles in my body to push Haley wasn't Roman wasn't Roman the one too where the nurse was playing God and she wouldn't call the doctor till way late yeah our nurse was real bad it took me like 3 hours to finally push him out and they had to come in with a thing called a kiwi it's like a [ __ ] vacuum seal that they jam on his head and like like Aid him out than he also had well I mean it's kind of like that so he had a massive cone head he was ugly as [ __ ] he looked like a [ __ ] I like a skin rabbit red and just I don't know you think you think your child is like the prettiest thing you've ever seen but looking back you know in retrospect he was hideous Haley when he came out he was um this was a sound cic yeah he was going he couldn't breathe I was like he ptic because he had been in there so long so they took him off to the ICU Conrad went with him to the ICU and I stay we stayed with Haley wow yeah so they took him to ICU oh yeah Mom and Dad were in there by the way for the whole thing oh yeah they were pushing and pulling on you too they were making her like go over a bar pull on this towel this nurse thought knew what the she didn't know anything she didn't know what she was doing what's this nurse's name yeah it was pretty intense I nurse ratchet y so uh I don't know he was in the NICU for hours not like days or anything and then finally like he was breathing normal they let me have him everything was fine I think I left I don't know maybe a day later 24 hours I don't know two days it wasn't it the stay in the hospital was not unpleasant I didn't have to scrub my own tub or anything um everybody was very nice gave me all the things I needed uh it was it was fine and now this first experience is not enough to deter you you do this two more times what were those experiences like um pretty much the same no they were they were easier uh all my lers are pretty easy in terms of like almost textbook I get the contractions either my water breaks or it doesn't but I mean I was maybe in labor for 5 six hours which is and you did get the epidurals from that point forward you got them earlier yeah and they did it right so I feel things and yeah so Willow's birth was pretty normal run-of-the-mill uh same with Harper nothing like crazy or traumatic all right and now as a mom of kids what who is your favorite first of all I don't have a favorite okay say Chad who is your favorite of your three children it's me isn't it um okay let me ask you this what is your proudest moment of each of your kids H that's hard to pick Chad I mean there's so many that's why it's a good question you understand uhuh uh I I mean I get I'd have to really sit down and think about it if you wanted an honest answer so I'm just going to tell you like off the top of my head right now yeah Roman clearly he just went through an entire year of college um there were moments where he called us a lot you know he he struggled sometimes with being alone and and not having friends and things yeah it was you know how it goes so you know his first year he started out you know kind of iffy and and we had to kind of talk him off of a ledge a few times and now he came home and he's going to get an apartment next year with his best friend roommate he made all A's and a he awesome is gonna have an internship like he actually wanted to stay I said are you ready to come home he's like not really so he grown like he met his people he figured everything out and uh I don't know it was like a moment I think where I realize that he'll be okay like he'll be okay on his own I don't really have to worry about it anymore yeah barring some kind of global catastrophe which is likely in the next two to five years sure sure um okay and how about your daughters let's see proudest moments um I don't know Willow isn't really like a moment it's like a a movement I guess she went from she went from very timid like I don't know how to talk to people I how to make friends just very quiet uh to now she's taking like all AP classes she's very stressed out all the time but knows how to manage it she's met all these new friends really just like the last couple of years she's kind of blossomed into a young adult okay and it's it's hard to watch but also like it is I think my proudest moment because they don't really need me anymore like Roman I feel like he doesn't [ __ ] need me he does but not you know what I mean like he can go out and [ __ ] do [ __ ] yeah that's funny because they will they will they will always need you and then they'll bring little ones back that need yes yes they're always gonna need me and I understand that but just you know they're they're turning into little [ __ ] people that can just go do and and that's a nice feeling but also Bittersweet um Harper proudest moment I don't know she's also kind of starting High School is a big deal it's very hard new [ __ ] um she is the kid that doesn't follow the leader so if she sees that [ __ ] is bad or wrong like she's not going to join in so I think my proudest moments of her are she's like her own little person I don't give a [ __ ] what anybody else is doing I don't care what you [ __ ] think she always does the right thing she's always nice to the kids that are like the outcasts uh so you remember this a long time ago when she was in elementary school she got in trouble because she stopped She Went it was out recess and she stopped to help a kid that had fallen and put the shoe back on so then she was late or something coming back into class and got in trouble because she was late coming into class She'll always stop and help someone yeah yeah yeah she'll always take the hit to do the right thing which I think uh I don't know they're all kind of blossoming into these people that I'm proud of so I can't really focus on one moment I think it's just kind of like their whole life leading up to who they are right now has been uh kind of incredible to watch they're actually good people all right now over the course of your motherhood Haley how often have you gotten advice on mothering from Mom a lot every day some some I take some I don't yeah what's the best piece of advice mom has given you like ever about mothering yeah I don't I don't know uh one of the top five Jesus we have talked about Roman lately we've talked about Willow I've talked with Conrad about all of them when he was here yeah it's hard to narrow down because she's like a constantly get mothering advice literally every day damn do this don't do this I don't know until the day I die you probably will I've told you that both and I try to do that with both of you too but it's getting harder because I'm getting so tired I'm getting very tired what you don't give me mothering advice what are you talking about I'm not a mother I used to tell I used to try to lead you in the right direction and say are you sure you want to do that and all that and I said I would do with regard to what everything lots of things so basically you have disagreed with all my life decisions is that what you're saying no some of them I've tried to steer you a different way and I I'd always say you know till the day I die and I'm six foot under you will hear me in your ear and I'll tell you if I don't think it's right but now it's getting too hard because I'm getting too old all right did you get mothering advice from your mom not so much from my mom as I did my grandmother she was more than my Eternal uh figure that led me MH I would say my grandmother was my mom and I buted heads or she just really wasn't there a lot she was always off working or doing her own thing and she was not as warm to me as my grandmother was if my mom and I bued heads I'd go sleep at my grandma's house for the weekend and do you know the story of your grandma having her daughters what that was like for her and this would have been when in the 20s 30s 1930s 30s 30s um I don't know I don't know that I do know that my grandmother was married at the age of 14 to a man that her family picked out and he was very mean he was an alcoholic and he was also a womanizer so she would come home after being married like some days from I think she did ironing at a little store or something and close she'd come home there'd be another woman in bed with him and he would say shut the door get out damn my grandma lived with him and was married I think for four to five years and had two kids with him that's Nanny and a Virginia and then because he was an alcoholic something about I've got a it's written down somewhere he was drinking by a gas tank outside and blew himself up what my grandma my grandma wow that's crazy his name was George and he was a main SOB that's all the stories I've ever heard of him and I do have pictures uh from there she married another man that was a little bit better to her and he had a little bit more money but he was a strange Ranger and he enjoyed that mean um I can see how he looked he looked real weird he had like a little tiny black little mustache kind of like the guy with the top hat what's that you know man yes he kind of looked like him his name was Dave he had several buildings in the little town there and when they divorced uh well let's go back too to my grandmother I mean the first marriage of hers when that guy started being mean and she had no money and all that she bootlegg liquor she also ironed the clothes so she had to learn to take care of herself and my mother and and Aunt in different ways so then when she married the second guy he was kind of nicer to her but he was just way different and there were Rumors in town that he anyway there were rumors that he was a womanizer too she divorced him and from that point forward that's when she opened her own little store I wonder where Haley gets some of that from so she opened the resale store and so close she was an entrepreneur yeah and then do you know the story of your own birth and your sister's birth from your mom yes I do know yes uh oh gosh my sister and I were born on the same day February 24th she's three years older uh she was uh let's see yeah normal birth it wasn't anything real bad except my mother kind of Hemorrhage toward the endend so that was kind of scary but she was a normal birth everything fine boom when I came around and was ready to be delivered they didn't want my mom to Hemorrhage again so they said um my mom would have a C-section and back then the doctors were like you know they didn't have all the X-ray machines I guess and all the technology that knows exactly when that baby's ready to come out so the doctor said when do you want your baby born my mom said oh it'd be nice if she was born on on her sister's birthday February 24th guess what five weeks premature I was my dad her open and I came out and looked like a skin Blue Rabbit five weeks premature I was I was premature my dad said I I was blue I looked like a skin rabbit and they held me up and were spanking the crap out of me to get me to breathe and they did this specifically so you would have the same birthday yes okay your birthday should have been either in March or April yes should have been March or April but they brought me out way too early and I was a skinned Blue Rabbit now speaking of same birthdays there's one thing you didn't mention during my birth you always told me a story that I could have been born on June 15th which was your mom's birthday but you held me in past midnight in quotes held me in no I didn't hold you in the doctor did that is correct it was four minutes till midnight the doctor had those forceps they were in me and he said you can have your baby born on the 15th or the 16th what do you want and I said oh let let's share my mom's birthday right now let's get him out the 15th and then Dad and the doctor go no every baby needs their own birthday they held you in me until a minute after boom and then you were born at 1204 nice Haley 9:06 am well no 9 do you know any of the lineage what life was like for anybody before your grandma um I know my father's parents lived on a farm in Beaver Kansas and you know barely made it it was like the Dirt Devil days and all that was n good yeah my dad ran around out there yeah but didn't Grandma come from uh like Russia uhhuh yeah um came over I told you on the ship with her nine eight or nine other siblings on the ship through Ellis Island they all had to record their names she had a sister die on the way with chicken pox on the ship and then they settled in bazine Kansas uhhuh and became Farmers H um let me ask you this as a mom what advice would you give for anybody out there who's about to be a mom um I don't know it's so different in today's world I don't know make sure you want to have a baby because it's not easy it's not easy and you will need people around to help you um in all ways emotional support um probably Financial oh my God I don't even know how much a box of diapers cost now do you Haley there was a day when Dad and I went to school then Chad you were three months old we started back our last two years at Kansas State I used to make grocery lists and that's all we could get and there was one day I'll never forget we went to the grocery store and I said we don't have enough money Bob for diapers or milk what do we do and he said we get the out we'll figure out the other end later and then we went to clo diapers for real Chad we didn't have any money the other end later we get the other end lat oh my God and [ __ ] has become a real uh a motif in our family there's a bunch of weird [ __ ] stories that we all can tell oh yeah Haley if you and I mean yeah I guess I was born [ __ ] you said as well right yes you were yeah Haley if you had one piece of advice to give for anybody who's thinking about becoming a mom what would it be in 2024 uh I mean it's not a one-sized fits-all I don't know uh I thoroughly enjoyed being a mom I was afforded the luxury to be a stay-at-home mom seub made enough money that we could pay rent buy food and take care of kids and so I was able to stay home and raise them and to to this date today I can say that that so far has has been the best part of my life mhm so I mean I don't know you can't really tell somebody who doesn't want to stay home to stay home but I I guess my advice would be to uh stay home and and raise your kids if you can because for me I that's I have the Fondest Memories of that time I miss it mom do you miss that time every day no [ __ ] if I could go back I would let me ask you this do you you in any way lament the fact that I'm never going to have children makes my heart sad a little bit but if that's what you because our name will never go on now our last name the name is arbitrary names are [ __ ] anyway no they're not our last name means something to me means something to your dad okay fair enough unless maybe one of maybe uh one of Haley's kids will name them cult and something interesting but I mean the genetics go on the the lineage of the family does go on through Haley's kids whether the name is there or not I guess it's the stopping of the name yeah but the name is is in our specific case pretty arbitrary anyway because that's not dad's genetic last name I know I know that but you are our only son yeah and through the sun that's where it goes through and on usually yeah but I've written movies TV shows books these will outlive any human children that any of cire you are correct that your mother was never in so that will be good you were you were in men women and children in the movie whether you made the cut or not isn't up to me I got you on the set and I got you in a shot fact not you couldn't deliver the goods on the acting is not my fault uhuh uhuh um now we've talked a lot about motherhood on this beautiful Mother's Day 2024 we've talked nothing about politics I wanted to ask you both we'll start with you Mom we've uh kind of gone through your experiences as a mother as a mother with a daughter who is also having kids do political opinions at all come into this have you thought about politics once since we started this conversation no Haley have you yeah you have what what what were you thinking about what specifically well I have people in my bakery that want to have children yeah and whenever you know there's a couple of us that are moms in the bakery and whenever we talk about kids I look at them and I can see anger sorrow because the world that we live in isn't the same world that I was living in when I had a kid and you can now be prosecuted for things beyond your control you potentially might have your kid taken away if you have a trans wife or you're gay like there's all of these things that come into play now that uh never occurred to me when I was having children and so whenever I talk about pregnancy and babies uh specifically in the bakery setting like there are people that get upset so I have to stop talking about it so talking about it here just in the back of my mind it it made me think of those people in my bakery and how this is actually a quite painful conversation for them to even here right interesting so Mother's Day you think for for people in your bakery is a bad day potentially uh yeah I do um Dad and I went to the grocery store early this morning as we're going through there's hardly anybody in there the little cheuck lady goes happy Mother's Day I said thank you happy Mother's Day to you she said well I don't have any children I said do you have any animals she said yes I have a dog I said well then you're a mother you're mother mother to your pet happy Mother's Day she goes oh thank you you can be a mother to four-legged animals then I am a father yes you are I have a cat who drinks my blood on an almost daily basis you have a kitty let me ask you this then with now Mom you said during this whole conversation you weren't thinking at all about politics has that been a reprieve how often do you think about politics generally speak every every day kind of constantly uh I just can't I asked Dad the other day how many more months he said I think five and a half we have our until the election yeah I was like what does that mean until he goes into a mall with a machine gun what do you mean oh that is not nice until we have Donald Trump back on as our president well I mean not to to break the subject of Mother's Day I do want to keep this a nice cordial conversation to celebrate motherhood and everything that you've given us as a mom everything Haley that you've given to your kids and all that but I do want to ask you have you been following the trial the Trump trial yes and Haley have you with like a a pretty high degree of scrutiny are you watching what all the witnesses are saying and who's been called and what Trump's doing in the courtroom and all that for the most part okay yeah how do you think the trial is going now we are I believe three weeks into it I think that's right and the Stormy Daniels um testimony has been incredibly damaging to Donald Trump I think everybody universally agrees about that how do you think it's going mom I think it's going to be a mistrial I think she's a liar I'm not I'm not saying she's lying about all the sexual stuff that she's thrown out there that they did I just think she's a liar and um but do you think he's a liar Trump I have no idea I I maybe to some degree what's going on but you know he's caught in he's caught in a trap where he did I don't know if he did or not because that lady is a liar she even said in a in a testimony early on that it didn't happen now she's saying it did happen now she's saying what did she say didn't happen this whole thing it was in it was written down somewhere okay so you're saying based on the fact that she's in quotes a liar well her story's yeah her story going back and forth what happened what didn't happen yeah um I think they're just going to I don't know I don't I don't see it harming him I don't see it harming him I don't see it helping him either but yeah I think the most likely outcome is a hung jury and and that's going to be that um and then they'll have to retry it you know two years from now or whatever Haley have you've been following it what do you think generally speaking do you think it's going good for Trump or bad I mean I think it's going bad uh I talked to one of my I thought I talked to one of my friends the other day that is like a pretty hard Trump supporter and she's like yeah I don't want to vote for anyone so I feel like it's it's getting to some people and they're like I don't [ __ ] know what to do for elections I completely agree it's very difficult to watch all the things that are going on right now we''ve got Trump who is losing a in my opinion losing a federal criminal case against him currently yeah we and wearing diapers and smelling like [ __ ] all that's coming back everybody in the courtroom now just says that he smells like ass all the time that he's farting and and his diapers are full um he's wearing diapers now who told you that one Google this there are people at Trump rallies with shirts that say real men wear diapers my president wears diapers the MAA or Maja or Q whatever you want to call it they're fully embracing this uhuh yes Google it I'm not lying to you about this Google his last rally in New Jersey 100,000 people there to support him 100,000 at a rally that's fine Biden is lucky to get five people show up at the tep well that was my second point I watched the entire interview with Aaron Bernett that he did on uh MSNBC and he I mean it's it's terrible the sit down interview is okay but then he kind of like walks around with her a little bit he's standing six inches from her she's kind of visibly offut by who Aaron Bernett with who Joe Biden oh Biden yeah he's leaning in he's talking like this we've got to stop Donald Trump okay I'm gonna have to if we don't stop he is the guy he says he is I mean it's just like this raspy dead man walking and then your third choice is Kennedy Jr who his biggest claim to fame now is that he said he has a [ __ ] brain he's got a worm in his brain you've got a man who is losing a federal criminal trial that wears diapers and shits his pants you got can't believe [ __ ] corpse walking around that can barely string a sentence together and you've got a man who has a brainworm that has eaten holes through his head those are your choices for the American presidential election 2024 I don't know how it got to this point I don't know how Amer became this it's unreal yes I do yes I do Capal you didn't bring up hor space now I would like to say I can't even do her she's terrible horseface Harris oh she's not running for president I'm I'm just saying that I think this is all because of capitalism money has corrupted everything in this country and it's how you get somebody like Donald Trump even possibly uh to be elected president it's how you get somebody like Joe Biden to stay president because the money machine that is just turning out money for all the people who support either of these candidates is continuing to turn out that money so if it ain't broke don't fix it and the more corrupt it can be the more money people can make off of it and I I don't know I mean I this seems to me no matter who wins that this is like America is pretty much dead here's what I don't understand okay we have the Met Gala with all those people and the expensive jewelry and the clothes that one had to be hoisted up each step she took or whatever I saw part of it I'm just like laughing saying oh my God and we still have prisoners foreign country in a foreign country that no one gives a [ __ ] about anymore in a foreign country we have prisoners in our own country that no one gives a [ __ ] about because it's a for-profit Endeavor the criminal industry in the United States of America specifically prisons they get paid money by the government and in some cases by the families of the prisoners I mean like if you want to make a phone call if you're in jail that's going to cost your family $50 how many phone calls do you want to make while you're in there for 10 years you know it's a four profit industry it behooves the people who own the prisons to have them completely packed and that is it that's how this country works I know and all the all the homeless people out on the sidewalk what did those Mt Galla people kick them kick them aside and go in yes it is this almost this almost reminds me of like a science fiction Mo not science fiction yes that's what I'm saying into the Future movie where where you know the rich rich don't give a [ __ ] about the people the sidewalk I can't keep saying it enough that's literally all over Tik Tok are you on Tik Tok like there's memes about all over Tik Tok but I haven't I haven't Googled that what do I Google to see Hunger Hunger Games or yeah Hunger Games United States uh political system I mean it it's the same thing that happened at the White House um Correspondence Dinner a couple of weeks ago we talked about this a little bit I think on this show there were protesters outside protesting the fact that like a hundred Palestinian journalists have been killed in the war in Gaza right now and all of these like you know people in their black ties and Colin Jo is hosting just like stepping over protesters who are laying on the ground pretending to be dead bodies and screaming shame on you in their faces and they're just like ignore [Laughter] it's it's like the world is falling apart but the people who still benefit at the very top levels from the capitalist system the capitalist structure they don't give a [ __ ] they do not care and I think that is ultimately why the the country is so [ __ ] right now and I would put Trump at the top of that list I would put uh Biden at the top of that list you better put him up there God they don't care but I mean that's the thing like you guys are are enthusiastically going to vote for Trump this time around and he just doesn't care not enthusiastically I'm doing it begrudgingly as a gift to my father to keep a promise yeah by the way I have a Father's Day gift for Dad so on the Father's Day episode he's got to be here um yeah I'm doing it to keep a promise and it was a gift to Dad I'm simply saying that I think this country for uh all that is beautiful in this Mother's Day 2024 we are in a position that like you're saying Haley it's a different world from when you had kids the the amount of change that I've seen in my lifetime and granted you know when you're a little kid like when I was a kid in the 80s and [ __ ] I'm not paying attention to politics but even once I started kind of paying attention to politics I would say somewhere around the end of high school maybe things were not like this this is the by far the worst it has ever been in my lifetime and I think the closest to the brink of complete failure we have ever been as a society in terms of America um that said I wasn't alive during like the Kennedy assassin ination you were mom yeah but people even during that time people were not so mean and ugly to each other I there are so many mean people out there now like it doesn't matter what you say somebody can get you back it's weird I don't like the feeling people are mean they're mean yeah whether you're driving a car and you flip someone off or they flip you off or they're just mean mean people or you tell your children that when the metal hits the meat that he might have to take you out I mean Dad is one of these mean people you're talking about okay here's the deal your dad probably has seven or eight good years left to live he's going down fast let me tell you right now it's not Jesus Christ happy Mother's Day yeah it's not that's why he's not here now he's not feeling good at all he's going back to physical therapy I'm gonna go too because that's the only way he would go so we're both going together but that's okay I need help my thumbs hurt my Hip Flex hurt as I told my doctor which they do so I'm going to get some physical therapy while he goes back um he fell again you know that so yeah yep and what did that have to do with the American political system you were trying to say he's mean you don't think he is he's prided himself on that his entire life not just now he acts that way but deep down theide he's not and you guys know that yeah maybe you know I don't know OCD does take over and when the OCD takes over he does go into a crazy man mode um and yeah yeah crazy man mode that's a good name for a movie or something nuty Professor mode um but once once the OCD thing whatever it is is back to normal he comes back to normal it's weird it's it's weird well uh we are nearing the end of the show thank you both for joining me today to discuss Mother's Day Mom I just just want to say I love you and thank you for everything you've done for me and for Haley who is the ungrateful one here I am the better child uh thank you for everything that you have done for me over the years as a mom I know that you and Dad as you said were broke when you first had me your decision to have me though but uh nonetheless you guys powered through to give me a pretty good life as a little kid despite some psychological abuses but again you were young God you were you were young you didn't know any better yeah I forgot to burp you and I didn't even know about burping and I had to rush you to the doctor I said he's very ill he's projective uh vomiting just projectile vomiting help me and the doctor said are you burping your baby I said no well there you go some physical abuses as well um but despite all of that I just want to thank you for the job you did I feel like I'm a generally happy person or at least nihilistically detached person which is as close to happiness as most people can get these days I think so I thank you for that and for the childhood you gave me and for the adulthood you continue to be a part of and uh yeah I love you and I hope that you have a happy Mother's Day today and Haley as my sister and a mother I say I love you and I hope that you have a good Mother's Day today too do either of you have anything fun planned no okay that's just dead silence all right we're going out we're going out see shiny um I don't yeah I don't have to do my household chores today so thank you for my gifts Chad you are always right on he will either ask me for a link or exactly what I want so I just go ahead and tell him these days he got me a whole bunch of gift certificates to a flower nursery that I adore I'll go get a bunch of flowers Haley gave me all the goods from the bakery so much sugar in my house I could have a coma right now and a beautiful uh flow Arrangement came also thank you for my gifts I love you both I think about you both every day as do we you I don't know about that Haley any final words on this Mother's Day God damn gotta follow up dad's dying in seven years and Mom crying God uh no yeah I love you I do think about you every day um I tell the kids funny anecdotes about you almost every day uh you know they text you and [ __ ] all the time we always think about you they don't text me dad said I well I tried to say happy birthday to him and [ __ ] and it's like that's just never going to work I call him up on their birthdays hi this is your uncle Chad it's just dead silence okay they're the generation that like they don't they don't talk on the phone that's not a thing so yeah I don't know know yeah thank you for everything uh like Chad said our childhood was great I don't like there you know there's we got spanked we some we got sure let's call it that what did you Sayad mostly by Dad yeah got baseball mostly by Dad yeah Baseballs in the head had to sleep in my football helmet go in the garage and swing the baseball bat a thousand times in [ __ ] 150 degree Texas summer heat sure that was mostly bad mostly bad I couldn't I couldn't catch you guys to give you spankin I couldn't catch you to give you spankin you'd run from no I I have a lot of fun memories with mom like the [ __ ] tennis thing yeah and I remember her taking us to the public pool and I'd eat like [ __ ] Snickers bars and get on the little floaty WRA and [ __ ] I have lots of good memories I remember that am little public pool going to the 7-Eleven every day pretty much for one summer we did that sum and I would always get a pack of uh sport flicks baseball cards yeah you've got all those baseball cards in our garage you got to get them out of there I will yeah no so yeah we still have your [ __ ] in our garage you guys are what 48 and almost I'm not quite 48 you're almost 48 in June and Haley is 40 five three three three we're five years apart and I have all I have have some of your high school stuff still in our garage and all those baseball cards we got to get them out of there I know it'll happen all right well thank you everyone for joining us today on this Mother's Day we hope everybody out there has a great Mother's Day of their own whether you're celebrating with your children or your mother or your pets or whatever kind of uh thing may be we thank you for joining us and we will see you next week did we already tell each other we all love each other I love you Mom I love you Haley wherever dad is I love him too yeah you Mom love you Chad tell Dad I love him oh well he's ate all that pie up already one whole pie I love you Chad I love you Haley all right we'll see you next week all right bye bye bye