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Welcome to the Nezazeri conversation midweek edition. You all right? [laughter] >> That we do that at the bakery all the time. >> Mispronounced on purpose. >> Yeah, it's just like a stem like a vocal stem. >> You want to know about stmming? >> I do nudo [ __ ] all day. I got a deck of cards in one hand while I'm typing with the other one. >> Yeah, me too. >> Um, all right. We're not here to talk about that. what we're here to talk about. This is just me and my sister today. Usually on these mid midweek episodes, uh my mom and I are showing each other clips from our various news sources or Instagram or whatever, trying to shed some light on any given political topic to try and uh essentially show the other side that there is this story is being presented another way, whatever. Today, my mom is not here. She is um inundated with receiving a recumbent bike stationary that my dad is supposedly going to be using to exercise at home. [laughter] >> He's not He won't He >> I mean, I can't imagine that being the case, but he does need to exercise. So, I'm glad they're at least making the motions. >> Mhm. >> That said, what I want to discuss with you, if we may, is dad did not attend the last episode. He boycotted. >> Mom said that it was because I made some joke about them having sex. Do you believe that's the actual reason that he boycotted? >> No, I don't know. Maybe. I just I think maybe he was tired. [laughter] I think maybe he was physically just like tired and didn't want to. >> And you think he just made it up? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. You don't think he's going to be mad at all? >> No. when we see them in tminus three days. >> Okay. Interesting. Um I will say this though, there have been times in our relationship with them >> where they entered into some kind of silent treatment, I'm never talking to you again type thing. >> Yeah. >> You were mainly the target of those. I think I might have had one or two. >> Can you recount for us one of those times, >> what the fight was over, how long it lasted, etc. just to give a kind of a clear picture of how sometimes they will do this. >> I can't I you put me on the spot. I don't know. I mean that one like you saying that [ __ ] about them having sex mom and or mom called me and said I'm not talking to your brother. >> Oh my god. So I get that too. Whenever you would get like >> Yes. Whenever you would get a tattoo. So, I think that was part of one of the things. You got too many tattoos. And I would get a call from mom, she has too many tattoos. I'm not talking to her. >> And then it it's always like they go to the other one to tell one of us that they're not going to talk to the other one. And it's like, okay, why are you calling me? >> Yeah, I did get call. I'm not talking to him. Me and your dad are so mad. >> Yeah. And it's like a weird um punishment or something. It's just kind of how they've they've dealt with us. basically our entire adult lives since leaving the house. >> This uh kind of weaponizing silent treatment against us has been a part of their arsenal >> the whole time really >> my certainly my whole adult life even in like when I was a teenager also I remember screaming at dad like I didn't want to play softball anymore and you know how that was with sports at the house so it just like wasn't an option but I was like I don't want to play anymore this [ __ ] sucks >> and he was yelling at me and I just I [ __ ] hate you. And I slam my door to this day. Like they wouldn't talk to me for weeks after that. And I was 16. >> Was I in college at this point? >> Yeah. >> I was out of the house. So you were just living in the house with them and they were silent treatmenting you while you were living there. >> Yes. And to this day they still bring that story up and hold it against me. I was 16. >> Jesus. >> Almost 30 years. >> Yeah. and and still I'm going to get the silent treatment just for telling this on the air right now. MOM'S GONNA WATCH IT AND BE LIKE, "That's it. >> Don't take any of this personally. This is just Haley and I having a conversation. This has nothing to do with you. We love you. We love dad. Uh we're fine with everything. We're just having conversation." >> But um the silent treatment thing is an interesting tactic. And I that's basically my question was like do you think he's actually employing that right now or is this some kind of he just didn't want to do the podcast. >> Yeah. >> And he's making something up. >> I think like all of his meds and [ __ ] they're trying to regulate. He just like doesn't feel the best. I don't >> I don't know. I think mom was more angry about it. >> Oddly enough, I think dad is is more likely to let [ __ ] roll off than mom. >> Um >> Okay. >> Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he just doesn't voice it. No, I don't. I think like when we go home, he'll be fine. >> Okay, >> he'll be fine. >> Um, well, let me ask you this then. Speaking of mom, this past week with just you, me, and her, I felt like we actually were making some like legit progress, especially bringing up the Honduran ex-Honduran president, drug lord sentenced to 45 years that Trump is pardoning. That seemed to not sit well with her. >> Mhm. Do you think this past week we we made maybe the most important progress of the whole podcast so far with her? >> I think anytime dad's not there, we're able to chip away at it. >> If dad's not sitting there like with his angry tirades and just like beating her. Um yeah, I think we chip away at it. >> But I also think it's the nature of the specific incident that cuz her whole thing is like blow up those boats, keep us safe from drugs. fentanyl, fentanyl, fentanyl. >> Now, there's a guy who has brought more cocaine in the United States than anyone >> and he's just like, "No, he gets a pardon." I don't I think there are some like lines of logic that mom will not cross. That's one of them >> is is like, "Is he against drugs or not? He just pardoned this. There's no explanation for it." When she held up that piece of paper that just said, "Oh, Endurance drug lord question mark." [laughter] >> Yeah. I was like, "Okay." So, and it also comes, I think, from the the fact that like the Trump administration, the White House, there's no talking point for that. >> So, there's nothing that can be pared back through Newsmax or Fox News to be like, well, this is why he's doing it. They're not offering an explanation. So, MAGA can't just be like, well, this is what they Caroline Love it said. You know, >> um >> I think that that's >> kind of a key feature of why this one specific thing is working so well. They have been they like with the Epstein files, they have a million different excuses for all the different [ __ ] in it. >> Yeah. >> All the way down to mom saying that he's an FBI informant, Trump on Epstein, [laughter] you know? >> Yeah. >> Like they'll accept >> I really I there is a large part of me that thinks she does not believe that. Like she can't believe that. >> I don't even think it matters if they believe it or not. It's just at this point like a weird >> uh psychological game to like own the libs. And if the White House says this is the deal or they read some crazy [ __ ] conspiracy on a website or something somewhere that Trump is literally an FBI informant, she's just all in like yep, that's why he was friends with Epstein. Hey, he was an FBI informant. >> Yeah, maybe. Yeah. >> Um speaking of Epstein, we are now two weeks past the vote to release the Epstein files. Yeah, >> they are not released. >> Supposedly, there are thousands of FBI agents redacting those files as we speak, >> right? >> Scrubbing them for Trump's name. >> My first question to you is, do you think we will get the Epstein files in the next two weeks? >> No. >> You think they will let the due date pass and release nothing? >> Correct. >> And then what do you think happens? >> I still think they're hoping it's just going to like go away. I don't think they're hoping that because of the FBI agents scrubbing them. I think they know they're going to have to release something. >> Is that going to be like the whole in quotes Epstein files? Absolutely not. Will it be extremely redacted to remove all Republican names but keep in Democrat names? Yes, 100%. >> Right. So, I mean, >> they've got to put something out, I think. >> But surely they they don't think everyone is that stupid. >> Like surely >> they don't care. Like it's not about if people are that stupid or not. It's just about like we released them. We're fully transparent. >> But there have to be people who have these documents that haven't been tampered with. >> FBI agents. >> Yeah. So those are going to come out at some point >> maybe. It it really comes down to like how corrupt is the FBI now under Cash Patel. Are all of the people working on these documents Trump loyalists? It's possible. He's done a very good job of kind of like thinning out anybody who's not there solely for him to do his bidding in all these different government agencies, FBI obviously specifically. >> I I don't know. I always like to think that there's that one there's one or two whistleblowers that are just like [ __ ] it. Like surely they're not all Trump loyalists. There's got to be like the one the one person in there. >> But it's not I mean it's not even just Trump loyalists. It's also like imagine that you're um you know fresh out of where what where does the FBI train quantico? You're fresh out of the FBI >> Langley. >> Langley. >> One of those is CIA. One of those is FBI think. I don't know. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Wherever it is. Yeah. Yeah. >> You're fresh out of it. You've got your first job. >> You're Jason Bourne. >> You're Jason Bourne. You're ready to kill. [laughter] You have your first job in the FBI and it's like, well, if I don't do what Cash Patel says, my career won't even start. like I'm done before I've even started it. Or maybe it's a matter of Cash Patel's like I'll promote you if you go scrub these [ __ ] documents of Trump's name. >> I don't know. >> Yeah, I don't I don't know either. I don't know. I don't trust anyone anymore. So, >> yeah. Okay, fair enough. Um, what are you expecting this weekend when we are going to go back and do an episode face to face to face to face? H I don't think dad will be as mean. >> I agree. >> Um I think mom's going to laugh a lot and make more jokes. >> Um and then I think we're going to watch dad sleep a lot. >> Yep. >> Like we're going to go home and he's going to be like he'll do the pod and then he's out. >> Yeah. Like Trump. Um >> he is now a perpetual sleeper. I tend to agree with you. I'm bringing all these cameras and stuff. I hope my little setup is going to work. It may not. We'll see. But um yeah, we haven't ever done a live podcast. We haven't been in the same room to record an episode ever. This will literally be the first one in three years. >> Mhm. >> Should be interesting. Are there any topics that you are hoping we will discuss from this past week? I can tell you what I have so far if you want. Um, Pete Hexth, >> I have Hexy on >> the one of the fisherman's spouses, I think. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Is like trying to do something with it. >> Fisherman spouses. The guys who got double tapped. >> Yeah. >> Oh, [ __ ] >> I just read an article that his wife is like coming after Pete Hexath. >> Like that like my husband is a [ __ ] fisherman and you murdered him type [ __ ] >> I do think Hexath is going to jail. I think he's going to be the scapegoat in all of this. M wow. >> Which is hilarious to me. But um it's it's getting to the point where like multiple legal organizations are saying these are war crimes. This is murder. That video came out of him basically saying, did you see that? >> Mhm. >> So there's a for those who don't know, there's a video that came out uh today. It was like unearthed of Heg Seth >> when was it six or seven years ago? He was he was at some panel at some event for Fox News >> and he's basically saying like there should be consequences for war crimes. You just can't kill people willy-nilly and no no no and that's why there's people in jail. >> Yeah. Well, >> effectively talking about what he's doing right now, >> right? >> So, that didn't age well for him. But I have I have Heath. I have Trump's MRI and his >> Yeah. him falling asleep and [ __ ] >> Falling asleep. The Tennessee special election. Um, Trump pardoned another like a Ponzi scheme guy. There was a January 6th that he pardoned who was arrested for molesting an 11-year-old boy. >> You should um put the I think it's Oklahoma University. I don't know if it's OSU or U, but the student that wrote a paper. It was supposed to be about I think like gender identity or something. I don't know. But her teacher was a transwoman. >> Mhm. And she cited the Bible as her references. >> Oh, I read about this. Yeah. >> And the teacher got [ __ ] canned. I think they put her on leave. >> Well, the teacher failed the the paper. >> Yes. >> Reciting the Bible as a reference. >> Well, she showed the rubric and said like the kid didn't [ __ ] answer anything that I asked for. Like, >> you know, >> kids in elementary school can do better than this. >> And so, [clears throat] uh, they told I think she's on a leave of absence. They kicked her out. >> Yeah, it's pretty fascinating um how far that will extend. Like I think 10 years from now that type of a thing will be looked back on as insane. >> Yeah. >> Barbaric even, you know, and I I don't know like what the ultimate fallout will be. I have extreme confidence that like Trump and MAGA will end. And I I don't know why I'm feeling this right now, but I'm like I think it's around the corner. this all this HGSH [ __ ] the Epstein files, there are like multiple giant criminal scandals that are about to be unleashed on everybody in that White House. Trump looks like he's about to die every day. There's some new picture of like he can't walk now. He's falling asleep in this meeting. That picture of him at Mara Lago sitting at the the table. Have you seen that? >> Yeah. >> Where he's just like >> Yeah. >> Unbelievable. I just don't think I think it's like breaking under its own weight the whole thing. And then once that happens, like let's say Trump dies, the impetus for all Republicans to do whatever he wants, I think is gone immediately, >> right? Because he's not the he's not the puppet anymore because without that figure that you don't have because JD Vance like come on. >> Yes. And I [laughter] don't think the I don't think the main body of the Republican party wants to do what Steven Miller wants to do, wants to be loyal to Peter Teal and all of these billionaires who control everything. I don't think the core Republican party really is like Trump in that way. So when he's gone, I think there's going to be this kind of like weeding out of who was really in the Trump camp and who was not. And if you're not, your job is basically going to be to bring criminal charges against all the people who were for all the crimes they committed. I think we're going to see that in the next couple years. I don't think Trump's going to last through this term. >> I don't know. I I don't have as much faith as you do. I live in a state where I mean like every day a woman just died because she couldn't receive a life-saving abortion. I think that's like the fifth one in Texas um this year and the transgender bathroom bill goes into effect tomorrow. >> Mhm. >> What is that? I don't even know what's transgender bathroom. >> You have to use the bathroom of like whatever biologically you were born. >> And how do they determine this? You can't. You can't. >> Do they have cameras like in the toilets? You know, I um Laura and I the gym we work out at out here. This has got to be a month ago roughly. We walked in and there was a big kurfuffle going on. There was a woman standing outside the women's bathroom or locker room >> uh screaming that there was a guy in there with his dick out and it was a trans woman. >> And there was like this huge fight. Cops had to come. not like a physical fight, but like the woman's very upset yelling, "This club doesn't care about women's rights, blah blah blah," you know, and it got on TMZ and [ __ ] because everybody had their phones out shooting this and so it became kind of like a a viral internet thing. But that idea of like bathrooms for who and who's writing laws on this and you know, obviously everybody should feel like comfortable going in whatever bathroom they want to go in in my opinion. Yeah. I mean, if you've ever traveled overseas, >> um, a lot of bathrooms are not gendered. >> If you've ever just been to a [ __ ] Taco Bell here in LA, they're not. You know what I mean? >> Correct. Yeah. Like at at some of the more uh like the blue dots throughout the United States, like it's not even a thing, but I live in a state where it is. And it's uh they're starting to implement like the Ten Commandments in public school here. >> I've seen that as well. Um it, you know, I I'm reminded when I see [ __ ] like that of I did a book report when I was in seventh grade, sixth grade or something. >> Um we were assigned the the task to do a book report on a work of fiction. That's all it had to be. And I did mine on the Bible, kind of opposite of what we're talking about. [laughter] And and the teacher did not like that very much, you know, and I had to go to the principal's office and stuff for it. But I gave a thorough book report. I thought it was good. Um but that idea of like what place does the Bible have in public schools in my opinion it doesn't it it could be taught as like literature or mythology or whatever if you want to just like any of the other religions >> but to you know post up the ten commandments >> on a wall or or wherever they want to put it in the bathrooms I don't know >> is insane. Yeah, it's abs. I live in a really um there's a concentration of uh Indian families like in our area in flower mound >> and a lot of them are Hindu and I I mean there's all different kinds of cultures and religions like specifically in this area in the high school that my kid goes to where they're going to start posting the 10 [ __ ] commandments. >> Yeah. >> What does that say to all of these other students who don't practice that [ __ ] It's I just So when you say like, you know, Mha is going to fall and all of this, I don't see it because I'm living I'm living in a state that is like directly affected by all of the [ __ ] that he has done so far. >> Yeah, it's rough. I mean, Texas is one of the worst ones, too. It I don't know. I I hear what you're saying. I just feel like without him at the forefront of this, people like mom and dad are not going to be as kind [snorts] of rabid about being a Republican when he's gone. I just don't think like they need this kind of charismatic cult leader to have a cult. They don't have one after him. >> Yeah. I don't know. I guess we'll find out cuz he's he does look like he's going to die soon. >> I Yeah, for sure. There's a popular account that has been going kind of viral lately of this guy who I I forget his name, but he always plays some video or picture of Trump looking like [ __ ] like barely able to walk or some weird bulge in his pants or his coat or whatever. And he's uh he's like, "I've been a physical therapist." And I forget exactly what he is. I could be wrong about this, but he basically says, "I'm some kind of a medical practitioner who looks after elderly patients with dementia like this one." And he points to the picture of Donald Trump. And then he talks about whatever the kind of video of the day is of him stumbling around saying why that's an early sign of this this this or this. >> And it's like I don't know if that guy's just good at social media but he persuades me to believe that Trump is on death store. >> Yeah. He looks like [ __ ] His hands they always have makeup on him now. He's falling asleep. I don't know. He's I [ __ ] hate him. Like I honestly can't wait. But then you know do we get JD Vance at that point? >> Yeah we do. But I just don't think it's going to be the same thing. Like when we we're going to keep doing this podcast obviously even if Trump dies. Like I can't imagine having the same conversations about JD Vance where mom and dad are like [ __ ] you. He could do whatever he wants. He's the president. It's like JD Vance >> wearing JD Vance hats and [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And like when JD Vance leaves his wife for Charlie Kirk's wife, I don't think mom's going to like that. I don't think dad will care, but I don't think mom will like that. >> Yeah, probably. >> Probably. >> I just think that they're they don't tr I mean, there was that video, that Steve Bannon video where he was talking about um if we don't basically do this now, change all the laws now, we're all [ __ ] going to jail. In that video, he said he kind of ends it by saying this is our only shot to do it. We don't get another Trump. That's like a once in a-lifetime kind of perfect storm cult of personality type dude. I and I agree with that. I just don't There's nobody in the Republican party who's like that. There never has been >> in our lifetimes anyway. >> Yeah, that's fair. I do. I did. I was talking to somebody at the bakery the other day and we genuinely were like, you remember when the worst was just like George Bush >> or GW? Yeah. when he was like dodging shoes and like he'd say something funny now watch this drive you know it's like that was the worst and like I I want that I want that back >> absolutely I mean [ __ ] that dude flew a goddamn uh fighter jet onto an aircraft carrier you remember that >> mission accomplished can you imagine Trump I mean Jesus >> [ __ ] plane just goes straight into the ocean [laughter] >> yeah he's he is the worst president we've ever bad >> 100%. >> And and not just worse president in terms of uh how bad he is at policy or any of that, how selfish he is, corrupt he is, all of that. Bad in a way that has changed American culture irreparably. Even after he's gone, I'm like, are we ever going to get back to a sense of like America being taken seriously uh in globally? I mean, back to America's standing as kind of like a leader and all these different things. um education and science and all this [ __ ] Like I doubt it. >> Yeah. I don't know. Can you imagine being the next president? Like what you're what is stacked up against you when you come into office like after Donald Trump leaves? >> I think it's the easiest presidency that you will ever have because all you have to do is make things better going Yeah. All you can do is go up from there. But >> yeah, things are so bad. It's like all you got to do is make a couple of things better and it's like, "Oh [ __ ] we're on the right track." I think people will love you if you come in after Trump and just make anything better. >> Yeah, but who's it going to be? >> Uh, I mean, who are the top candidates right now? It's Gavin Newsome. >> AOC. Her name is getting thrown around. >> I want AOC. I do not. >> I don't want Gavin Newsome. I want >> I don't really either. I think he's kind of like a slimy piece of [ __ ] that thing during the um during COVID when everything was shut down and it came out that he was like out at some [ __ ] fivestar restaurant with his family and or his friends and I was just like come on dude. >> Yeah, >> you're he also is an elite who doesn't believe in living like the common person. >> How much is a banana $10? Yeah, >> that's exactly right. >> Yeah, I like AOC. I do. >> I do too. I think she is kind of one of the only and and this could just be image. I have no idea, but I do feel like she is one of the only politicians at a federal level who is not completely [ __ ] corrupt >> or completely stupid, >> right? >> Um, they all seem to be one or the other. >> Like even even most of the the big like Democratic leaders like Chuck Schumer, I think that dude is [ __ ] dirty to the core. Him and Nancy Pelosi both. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, they were taking money and stashing. I mean, yes, they're all corrupt. I don't I I I fear someone like AOC becoming president because I don't want her to turn into that. You know, it's something pure right now for her. Like she literally gives a [ __ ] about us. She gives a [ __ ] about the American people and it's like once they get into office though, >> it's going to change. >> Maybe. I don't know. She's been in office for a minute and I I again, it could just be how she's very good at projecting an image or whatever. I don't know. But the sense I get from anytime I see her talk in public or all over social media, anything that I get from her feels like she's legit to me. >> Genuine. Yeah, it does. I like one of our representatives in Texas is Jasmine Crockett and I also like her. >> She's just like no [ __ ] is like I really like her. Do you think let's say that the uh 2028 is AOC versus I just don't think it's going to be any MAGA person. Um but you know JD Vance I guess is probably logically the person they would run >> I guess. >> AOC versus JD Vance. You think like I just don't think JD Vance has the juice to do what Trump did? >> No, not at all. even in if there's like horribly gerrymandered states and stuff like that. I I just don't think he can do it. >> I think it at this point he only gets the the MAGA vote. Like he's not getting Republican vote. >> And I don't even think he gets the MAGA vote. Like not not even a big percentage cuz he's not Trump, >> right? >> I just I don't I could be completely wrong in this. I just don't think >> Trump is like a cipher. There's nothing there except [clears throat] ego. >> Yeah. All he wants is more money and power for himself, his name on more [ __ ] >> right? >> He really actually doesn't give a [ __ ] >> I don't think, about any of the policies, including immigration and drugs and all of this. Literally doesn't give a [ __ ] >> So, I think the the hardcore like white nationalist pieces of the Republican party saw that and they were like, "Oh, all we have to do is kiss his ass and let him do corrupt business dealings and we can put our ideology in there, project 2025." So they just sucked him in and they said, "You'll be the figurehead. Let us take care of all the policies. You just sign them into law." And I think half the time he doesn't even know what the [ __ ] he's signing. >> He doesn't agreed. He doesn't know anything. He's [ __ ] stupid. Did you see uh they're cancelling dual citizenship? You now have to choose. >> No. That's interesting. So if you are an American citizen and then hold dual citizenship in some other country, I don't know what their deadline is, but federal government is now demanding like you must choose. You cannot hold dual citizenship. >> Bizarre. >> Yeah. >> I I guess what is that? It's just more part of this like crazy crackdown on immigration or anybody who's not in quotes American. >> I don't know. I don't know. I have one friend who holds dual citizenship and I'm like, "So, are you gonna leave or stay?" I'd leave. If I had dual citizenship, I would have left like the minute that Donald Trump was elected. >> Yeah. >> Gone. Gone. >> For sure. America's in the worst spot that it's been in our lifetimes in terms of a lot of things, but certainly in terms of uh citizenship status and immigration, all that kind of stuff. >> I hadn't heard that though. Um, I did hear that there was a God damn it. What was this? I wrote this down somewhere. There was like a college student, I think, in Boston that was flying to Texas to visit family and they nabbed her and threw her to Honduras. Did you hear about this? >> No. >> Yeah. on a domestic flight. This was a student who was here on a student visa, I believe, going for Thanksgiving to visit family and they got her and deported her and she's now >> airport. >> Yeah. I just like I one of my employees, her best friend is from Venezuela. >> Mhm. >> And like here on a I guess a work visa maybe, but it's like getting ready to run out and the possibility of being deported and ICE and all this [ __ ] Like it's directly affecting, you know, everyone at this point. >> Yeah. And and we're talking about students. We're talking about college students. >> Yes. >> It's I don't go >> That's one of the things that like infuriates me the most when we talk to mom about um immigration and stuff when we're telling her like they are there was a whole big story that came out this week too. Uh they are nabbing people going to their green card meetings like they're they're legally going through the process >> nab. Yeah, they're doing it. And I don't think like mom dad doesn't care like he wants everyone to suffer. Fine. >> Mom though does seem to care about rule of law a little bit and I think is under the impression that they're only getting criminals and there must be some reason and blah blah blah. >> But like I don't know how many stories of a college student or a child or whatever. There was a four-year-old kid with cancer that got deported. You know that type of [ __ ] Like what criminal action is that kid doing? I don't know how many of those stories it takes for mom to kind of like come around to understanding what's happening. >> It takes uh it takes a closeness for mom. It has to personally affect her. >> So if she knew someone that was deported or that this happened to, I think it would change her mind. >> For her it's all about it's circumstantial. It's like how close is it to me? How close is it to home? And is it like do you think for her it's how close is it to me? Meaning if I don't see it then it's not happening or meaning if I don't see it happening to somebody close to me I don't care if it happens to other people. >> It's that it's like almost out of sight out of mind unless it's you or me or my kids or you know what I'm saying? She has to know the person. >> So you think she believes it's happening and just doesn't care because it's not affecting she knows. [clears throat] >> Correct. >> Got it. like she has um gay family members, right? And she's cool with gay people. >> She doesn't know any trans people. >> So, she's transphobic, right, that she knows of. And she's transphobic. But I think if she could just meet >> a trans person, like even one [laughter] >> that it might end because she's never had personal experience with it. But she's cool with gay people because, >> you know, her cousin is gay. God, I want to take them so bad. I know you already asked in our little group chat with mom if they'd be down to go to like a drag brunch or something while we were home. >> And of course they won't. >> I don't know if I'd want to take dad though, honestly. >> We We would have to. Just mom I think would be good enough. I think she would actually enjoy it. >> I do too. As much as she loves like Sher and it like all the icons, Madonna and Britney and all that [ __ ] she loves that [ __ ] I think she'd have a good time. >> I do too. Um, well, thank you for joining me for this brief midweek conversation in Momsteade. What are you looking forward to the most about this weekend? >> Um, I don't know. Seeing you and Laura. [laughter] Um, like the the kids are excited because they haven't seen you in a long time. >> Yeah, I think that I saw last time I saw Roman was when me and him and dad went to that football game with Conrad >> last October, over a year ago. >> Yeah, Willow keeps like begging me to go to LA. So, I think probably going to have to go to LA like within the next year or so. >> Great. Bring it. I'm here. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I don't know. I don't know if we have any plans or anything. I don't think we do. >> We don't. And it's kind of a short trip. We're only going to be there really for a day, >> right? >> And we have to shoot an episode on that day, >> right? >> Yeah. Really? >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe dad will be nicer. >> Yeah. Maybe in person. Do you believe mom will initiate the death clock? [laughter] >> She did last time we were on the pod. We only have eight more times to see you. Like, what the [ __ ] I literally >> Do you think that'll get down to seven now when we leave? Do you think we'll get the the ticking down? The death clock is closer to midnight. >> 100%. And probably when we go home, dad will run us through all the finances in the case of their death. >> Yeah. Where the papers are and the passwords and stuff. >> Yes. >> But I wonder at some point he's not going to be able to remember all that stuff, >> which is why like Conrad and I know all of it. >> Yeah. But I'm saying he may stop uh ramming it down our throats. >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Uh I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Like how soon is that going to be? Like how I don't know. He's still with it. >> Yeah. >> He's still with it. >> He drew the goddamn clock. He drew the goddamn clock. Perfect. >> You guys You guys keep saying that he's like early stage of dementia and all this. I'm like, "No, he's just an [ __ ] He's not. He's like like he's with it. No, but go back listen listen go back and watch or or go back Yeah, even watch like some of our first videos that are on YouTube, but definitely go back and relisten to the first episodes with him >> where we're just talking. >> That's a different person. >> Yeah, I was looking at photos the other day. I had to pull up photos for something and it was uh >> he was like with the kids and it was maybe five or six years ago and it was like whoa. >> Yeah. like those five or six years really like did something >> and they retirement. >> Yeah. Well, he stopped moving like >> like literally and figuratively he stopped moving. >> Yeah. >> Which is like now I'm like all right that's it [ __ ] I don't even if I don't want to go to the gym. I'm going to the gym. I'm [ __ ] hiking and I'm biking and I'm kaying and I'm reading like I ain't going out like that. [laughter] I am not I am not gonna be sitting in that [ __ ] Captain Kirk like spitting orders at people. I refuse. I can't. Like I [ __ ] can't. I'm drinking my immunity tonics and like water only and like I'm vegan. I'm I'm not going out like that. >> I don't want to get diabetes cuz that's been like part of his downfall. >> Like [ __ ] that [ __ ] No. >> No. I agree. And we got his genetics. I really do think I have his bones because my teeth are so good. And I'm like, I know that means my hips ain't so good. So, I'm in the gym also squatting, [snorts] [ __ ] hip sledding, doing whatever I can. Also, I watched this movie called Him >> that came out maybe >> a football one. >> Yeah. Three months ago or something like that. >> Mhm. >> Marlon Ways in it >> is like jacked. He's playing like a dude in his mid30s. And I was like, how [ __ ] old is he? 53. >> And I was just like, okay, I got to change some things. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, now I'm trying to bulk up and then I'll go into my cut. >> Yeah. I'm I'm mid40s now. And I read somewhere that by the time you hit >> it's like at 44, which is how old I am, there's a shift where you either go downhill a little bit or you accelerate. >> And I was like, I ain't going downhill. And then the other one is I think 66. At 66 years old, something within your body like happens where you either really [ __ ] go downhill fast or you just continue to accelerate. And it all revolves around obviously like genetics, what you eat, you know, all those things. Um, >> staying active, >> staying active is literally I think the most important >> 100%. You have to have mobility. I I think seeing like what's happening to dad has really been eye opening for me in that regard that it's like oh your both your hips can break and then you're just in a chair forever. >> Yeah. I'm not >> I don't want that to happen either. >> No. I have like a manual labor job also. So I'm on my feet just like lifting, moving literally all day long and in my free time like I'm going to the gym. When Conrad and I travel like we do crazy [ __ ] I mean we walk like 30,000 steps a day when we're on like when we go to these countries. we don't [ __ ] stop. And I said, "You're eating what I eat, you're drinking what I drink, and you're [ __ ] moving." Cuz I can't. I was like, "You're not going to be my dad either. You're not sitting in that [ __ ] chair. It's not happening. So, get moving. It It's the key. You can't stop moving." >> I agree. I 100% agree. It is why I now go to the gym every goddamn day. I've had some times here and there like when I was going through cancer treatments and stuff. I obviously was not going in the gym when I was like 120 lb skeleton. Yeah, [laughter] >> let me do my squats. I'm here to work out. >> Set. >> Yeah, that was kind of a brutal um era of life, but I feel like I put most of my muscle back on and I'm feeling good about that. All of these things said, um as we close out here, this brief midweek episode of the Lib Sibs, this is a sub show within our show, by the way. Now, Lib, this is our second episode. We should start our own podcast where we talk about movies and music and books >> and call it the Lib SS. >> Okay, I'm down. Let's do a sample episode right now. Bring up one of those things. We'll do one topic quickly at the end of this. >> Okay. What's the last movie you've seen in theaters? >> Zootopia 2. >> Did you see Wicked for Good. >> No, cuz we didn't even finish Wicked for what was the >> Wicked. Wicked. >> We didn't finish it. We were in the movie theater and somebody had a seizure [laughter] in the movie theater. >> I mean, that's not funny, but Yeah. >> Yeah. No, it was [ __ ] terrifying. Um because it was like we were all sitting there and then you just this person was maybe two rows ahead of us, maybe like four or five seats to the left and you just could kind of see like the people around that person, they were like shaking and the people around the person were like, "Oh my god, oh my god." And that just kind of spread throughout the movie theater. The people had their cell phone lights on. Is there a doctor? Is there a doctor? All that [ __ ] and we kind of had to evacuate the um the theater and we left, you know, we weren't we were like what are we going to do? Go back in there and watch the [ __ ] movie and we never watched the end of it. So, we haven't seen either. >> Okay. Um what have I recently watched? [ __ ] I saw Eternity. >> Didn't see that one. Don't even know what that is. >> Um >> our podcast is off to a great start. [laughter] >> Okay, fine. What What's the best movie you have seen this year so far for me? Sinners. >> Okay. I liked Sinners, but for me it was Demon Slayer Infinity Castle. >> What? I loved it. Don't get me wrong. That movie was [ __ ] five hours long or something. >> I loved it. I can't wait for the next three-hour installment. Like, I loved it. >> There's four or five more three-hour installments, right? >> I think there's four more. Yeah. And then Saw Man is in theaters, I think, right now. >> Have you seen that? >> The movie >> Resa Arc. Yeah. >> No. Oh, [ __ ] It's good. It's I thought it was way better than Demon Slayer just in terms of like >> it's a movie. Like the pace of it is correct. There's a three-act structure. The fight sequences are [ __ ] insane. Yeah. >> Um God, it's so good. >> That's one of my favorite animes. >> Oh, me too. >> Chainsaw Man. >> Miss Makima. >> Yeah. >> Um it's so good. But I also Okay, so what's our podcast? We're talking about anime now. That's a part of it. >> Whatever. Like like pop culture. >> Okay. How about this? Did you look at your Spotify wrapped today? >> Yes, I did. >> What was your listening age? >> 46. >> What do you think mine was? >> I saw your [ __ ] story. >> Oh, so you know. >> Yeah. >> Well, for those who don't know, my Spotify rap listening age is [clears throat] 21. Thank you. >> Oh my god. >> Thank you. I don't even >> Young at Heart. >> What? Critter. >> Yeah, Critter. Critter was my my one through five most listened to songs were all critter. >> When are you listening to music? Throughout the day. Like when do you listen to music? >> Uh primarily that's in car. Wherever I'm driving somewhere. >> So your car is what? Just >> Critter? You've never heard of Critter? >> Uhuh. >> Check her out. >> Okay. >> You'll like her. I think she's kind of >> hyper pop. I guess I don't even know. She's not technically hyperpop. >> Okay. >> Um >> but in that vein, she's kind of a rapper, singer. >> I don't [ __ ] know. I don't really even know how to to qualify her genre. >> 21 crowd. The 21 crowd. >> Okay. >> Exactly. [clears throat] >> I don't know. Yeah. Mine I always have like a I had Fleetwood Mac like on my list of who I listen to most. It was Joe Joe Kiri. You know, his band Joe. >> [laughter] >> We were trying to get him in a movie, me and my friend Amy, that we wrote [screaming] >> and he would have been so good as the It's a romcom and he would have been the guy. >> I love him. I love him so much. We went to see him in concert, Willow Eye and uh Conrad. I He actually is good. I mean, he's an actor, so like his performance is like great. >> Yeah. Flying into Chicago or whatever. [singing] >> Chicago. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's amazing. like he's an amazing musician. Anyway, Joe, um Taylor Swift was on there. >> Um >> any Chad K. >> No, >> you [ __ ] You don't even listen to my music. >> I listen when you post it on social media, but I don't go to Spotify and listen. >> You [ __ ] For those out there who don't know, I'm a prolific >> musical artist. >> I go by the name Chad K. Look it up on Spotify. I've got an album called For the Right Reasons. It's a country album about the Bachelor. I've got Love Island Songs, which is a bunch of like kind of EDM pop about Love Island. I've got an album called None of This Is Real, which is just my own weird music. Enjoy. >> Weird how? Like Grimes like >> No, it's kind of dubstep influenced, I would say, but the lyrics are pop. >> Skir Charlie X. >> Yeah, everything I do is influenced by Charlie XX in life generally, musically or otherwise. absolutely love her and everything she does. >> How do you feel about Withering Heights? >> Can't wait. >> I kind of too. I'm I'm rereading the book right now to get ready. >> Um >> I'm not doing that. I won't go that far, but uh reading that book once was enough for me. [snorts] >> No, I'll read Classics are not my favorite. I reread Dracula and I reread Frankenstein right before Frankenstein movie. What' you think about Frankenstein? >> Fell asleep 200 times in it. >> I was so [ __ ] pissed. I thought it was going to be like, you know, JK Lordi is this beautiful [ __ ] monster. Although they got the look in this one, I think better than any other movie according to the book. >> Yeah. I >> like Robert Dairo. Come on. Like that one was terrible. >> What else? Wasn't there a Benio Del Toro one? >> What? >> Or a Javier Bardam. >> One of them played Frankenstein. >> Frankenstein. Yeah, I think so. This happens every like six or seven years. Somebody pops off and is like, I'm making Frankenstein now. And they get some actor to turn him into the monster. And occasionally it's like, "Oh, it's the hottest guy in Hollywood. We're going to make him look ugly like a [ __ ] monster." >> Well, hey, I was ready for it. I was ready for it. Oscar Isaac also, I love him and I thought it was going to be great. He was [ __ ] Like the movie was just [ __ ] >> It was just so boring. >> That was bad. >> Yeah. I I fell asleep multiple times. I'm glad to be done with it. Um, Sinners, I thought was easily top three vampire movies of all time. >> All time. >> Yeah. And probably in the top 10 movies of all time. Of any genre. That movie blew my [ __ ] mind at how good it was. >> It was good. I wouldn't say like of all time. Vampire movies of all time. >> Mhm. I go sinners. I'm throwing Lost Boys. Lost Boys. Yes. >> And then like I I Interview with a Vampire is not in that list. I love that movie. >> It has to be. >> Have you seen it recently? >> Have you seen the show? >> Hang on. Yes. It's not good. >> No offense. >> I love it. No, I love it. [laughter] I love >> No, I love Sam Reed. The Some of the accents are a little bit >> Uhhuh. And some of the acting is a little bit >> Yeah. >> But I love Sam Reed as Lat. It was like they did a weird kind of morph of Brad Pitt as Louie. >> Yes, they did. >> But Sam Reed as Leat and it's like this weird morph. Um I don't know. I appreciated it for what it was. Uh >> well, I would encourage you to rewatch the Brad Pitt Tom Cruz Interview with the Vampire. It's [ __ ] terrible, but I love it. It's so hilariously bad. >> You'll know it's already begun. >> Yeah, you ask the wrong question. >> You ask the wrong question. >> Um, >> I love >> that movie is terrible. But I would definitely say Lost Boys is up there for one of my favorites. I I don't know. I mean, Sinners, I think, is a better movie than Lost Boys. I just Lost Boys will always have a special place for me. Nostalgia style. >> I literally have it tattooed on my body. >> Oh, that's right. You have Kefir Sutherland, right, as the crying mode after he's been staked and dead and like the tear coming down. >> Yeah. It's it is one of my favorite movies of all time. >> Yeah. >> Like period. >> Cuz it captures. So there's so much tonally in that movie that is just of the 80s. It's like a little Goonies. >> Yes. >> It's you have the brat pack is kind of ever present in that movie. You've got Keer Kefir Sutherland in like really arguably his breakout role that kind of launched him into A-list stardom, you know, playing um that role. Jason Patrick, arguably his best movie of all time. No offense to >> the two Cory's all of them. Yeah. >> Yeah. I love that movie um so much. >> Little children, thou shall not care. >> So good. >> Um yeah, it's it's one of my favorite movies. I also love 30 Days of Night. Did you ever see that movie? >> Is Josh Hartnet in that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And it's about this town. >> It's actually creepy. >> Very creepy. The performances were good. I love the premise. The comic it was based on was great. That is a good vampire movie. >> There's a bunch of good vampire movies, I guess. But Sinners I just thought was like it was it was a movie done a vampire movie done in a way I had never seen before and done I think with like an expertise level of film making that I've never really seen in a vampire movie. >> Right. Like cinematically it was like a masterpiece. Yeah. >> And the score and the script like every element of that movie was basically perfect. I I can find no fault in it. And beyond that, it was all very like compelling as [ __ ] and it sets up a sequel and a universe and uh Ryan Cougler got this crazy deal where the rights he owns that movie after 25 years. So whatever he sets up in the sinner's universe, it's his now monetarily. >> So when that reverts back, he's going to be what 60 years old or something. And it's like basically George Lucas owning Star Wars or something like that. >> Right. Right. >> Um which he did for a time. But uh yeah, I would say Sinners is my favorite movie. >> H >> this year. >> I Yeah. I don't know. I would have to go back and Willow has me. Okay. So she's an AMC like A-lister. >> Me too. every time they throw up on the screen in the beginning where they're like, "And we want to thank all of the members of AMC StubHub or whatever," I always out loud say, "You're welcome. >> You're welcome." >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Willow gets hype over Nicole Kidman sitting in the seat. She's like, "That's my dog." So, we go >> They butchered that. They've butchered the Nicole Kidman thing now. >> They did a different one. >> They did a different one. They don't have the heartbreak feels good in a place like this. That's no longer in it. >> I know. They've really done it a bad disservice in my opinion. >> Yeah. So, we've seen a lot of movies this year. Uh almost four a week, >> but >> because she's getting her goddamn money's worth out of that A-list. >> Yeah. Cuz she's Yes. She's getting ready to go off to college. So, she is watching four movies a week like without fail. >> Wow. >> So, I've seen a lot. >> You know who else did something very similar to that? >> Me myself. When I was in high school, I worked for a company called Blockbuster Video. You may be familiar. >> Yes. Yeah. >> And as an employee of Blockbuster Video in Lewisville, Texas, >> I was given the great gift of being able to take a movie home every night. You could just take whatever movie you wanted. >> Free rental. >> Free rental every day. And I did in fact do that. Every night I worked. I took the movie home. I watched it. That's how And I worked with this guy who was like a big cophile. And he'd always be like, "Oh, you haven't seen Clockwork Orange? Check this one out." and I'd take that home and be like, "What the [ __ ] is it?" That's how I was introduced to Stanley Kubri. >> Yeah, those are good times. So, I I wish her >> happy trails on her movie adventure. >> Yeah, I miss Blockbuster. Some happy memories. Blockbuster. >> Oh my god. You have no idea. You have no idea that then the one I worked at was super [ __ ] weird, too, because it was a franchise one. So, that >> Well, that was that's the one we would always go to, >> like by our house and look Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's where we all Yeah. >> Me and Natalie would go in there and mom and dad would say like just pick [ __ ] movie. So we'd get to we could pick two and we'd go, you know, we'd be and this was before the internet. So like I couldn't just IMDb. What movies does Tom Cruz have? Like I couldn't do that. So we had to like walk around the store and find [ __ ] I don't know. It was just like good times, fond memories. >> Absolutely. Just looking at like the boxes and always passing like those weird ones in the horror section like Franken Hooker and just being like what the [ __ ] is that? And then eventually you're like, well, I just got to see what this is. Let me rent this. And then you watch it and you're like, your life has changed forever. >> Yeah, >> Franken Hooker was a great one. Um, yeah, I that's why I worked in Blockbuster. I love movies and stuff and uh there is something special about that moment in time when the whole entertainment industry was shifting from like you have to go to a theater to see it >> and then somewhere when did HBO start? 70s or early 80s maybe. And I remember [ __ ] HBO like that opening sequence and like we'd sit in the living room to watch it. >> Everything was just so different. Like MTV actually had music videos and you had to wait until like 8:00 to see them. I remember watching Michael Jackson's Black or White. >> Oh god. >> Like when that came out Yeah. I don't know. It was just such a >> It's such a good time. like I have so much um I love nostalgia and that's why I love the 80s like there is something um it really molded who I am I think >> of course >> like growing up in that era and early 90s and and now like I I'm trying to pass that on to my kids but I don't think that they quite grasp you know like what that felt like. So they're watching the movies and they're listening to the music, but it's like >> it really can't encapsulate like that time. You can't ever go back, >> especially to be a kid in that time >> because like I I don't know how kind of politically minded your kids are, but I'm sure they're aware of the fact that there are these uh kind of horrible circumstances pressed down on American and even global society. Everything >> they didn't feel any of that. >> Correct. It was just nothing. And that [ __ ] existed like in the 80s you had the Iran Contra scandal going like there was bad [ __ ] happening, corruption in politics, all that kind of stuff. But the everything that was fed to you on a steady stream of suburban media was America's awesome. Go watch Rambo. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a badass. >> Listen to Van Halen. >> Here's your Pepsi. Yeah. It was Michael Jackson. It was just like everything was great. >> Yeah. And that's why I feel that way about about that time. It was like [ __ ] it was perfect. I don't know. I I didn't have a kid in the world. >> It's like I also feel like what we're talking about and I feel the exact same way. But I feel what we're talking about is just kind of the it's being naive to the reality of what the world was. It's the world is always bad. There are always corrupt pieces of [ __ ] Someone's always killing someone. Somebody's always starving to death. That has been the the >> same since the dawn of humanity. >> Yeah. It's just a matter of like how oblivious of you are you to it and how plugged into something that makes you happy are you. And I think in hindsight with nostalgia comes the falling away of any of the negative [ __ ] and you only really remember the good [ __ ] And so it it makes you think like that time was way better than it was. What the I mean I don't I guess I've never asked my kids but like do they feel that way about a certain time in their life because they grew up with like Sandy Hook on TV, you know, like kids getting shot in school and >> I mean we grew up with the [ __ ] space shuttle exploding. >> Yeah. >> I I was in a school library in whatever that was fifth or sixth grade watching it on a [ __ ] TV, >> right? >> And everybody's like, "Yay, it was the first teacher in space. Yay." Boom. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. The teacher turns off the TV. We're all ushered out. Like, you know, I remember in uh high school, this is like insane to me. I was in an art class. This has got to be ninth grade, 10th grade, maybe. I don't remember what year it was, but the branch devidian thing was happening in Waco where they just like burned all these people alive. We watched that on television in an art class. >> Yeah. >> And then it was just like, well, time for geometry, you know. >> But see, but the difference is like it ended there. So like now you don't even [ __ ] watch the TV. You're just on your phone like sc you're just looking at it like all [ __ ] day, three days in a row. It's it's there is an oversaturation of of news and like the knowledge that you're getting. It's just 24/7. And when we were kids, it was like you saw the space shuttle blow up and like you were [ __ ] in that moment, but then all right, I'm eating my cheese stick at lunch. I'm going to PE. I'm going home. [laughter] I'm jumping rope. And you never watched it again. >> Totally. >> And that was that. You either got it in a [ __ ] newspaper or real time on the TV and there was no replay. Like that was it. >> Yeah. >> And now it's just [groaning] >> That is true. I I think there is something lost in any generation that's really growing up like post internet. We were growing up pre- internet. Internet happened for us. collegeish is when the internet started to like really become the internet. >> And then I didn't have like a smartphone until I was probably in my late 20s. >> Me too. I mean, I had kids like I had children at a time when like I couldn't just go Google symptoms or like what do I do with this [ __ ] baby? Like >> I I think about moms now. Just it's pros and cons. like you have access now to the internet where you can literally look up almost anything with a child, you know, that you'd need to know, but also >> um you can look up anything. So like are you misdiagnosing like and also people throwing like all their opinions on you about motherhood and what you should do? It's just an onslaught of just >> terrible and great advice. I don't know. It's just a different time. I'm kind of thankful that I didn't grow up with a smartphone and I'm thankful that I was not a parent like in this >> age of technology. >> Yeah, I I think about this sometimes. I don't agree. I think there is I mean I'm glad to have had those times and like we're talking about we have fun nostalgic memories for our childhoods. That's true. I'm not disputing that. >> Yeah. >> However, we are the last generation that has that memory. Gen X is really maybe some elder millennials have that memory. You are that. >> I am that. Yeah. >> But um it's I think you know two generations from now one will be alive that did not grow up with the internet. It is a a completely >> uh different world a major shift in how humanity operates. And I think having memories of anything prior to that is extremely antiquated and we will be phased out of anything important in society because of it unless you're like staying up with new technologies as they come out and absorbing them which I try to do as best I can. >> But uh yeah, I don't know. I I I guess I look at that stuff fondly, but I'm also just kind of like I'll say this about it. I think the way the internet works now and the kind of the immediacy of an endless stream of media about any possible topic you could want and even topics you don't want like Instagram and Tik Tok. They're not helping you uh you know dig into or scrutinize or research subjects that you're into. You don't go on Instagram being like I'm going to go on Instagram and learn about dinosaurs. You just open the [ __ ] app and start scrolling. Its entire design is to keep you looking at it. Period. They don't give a [ __ ] what's on the screen. It is not for your betterment. It is only for your entertainment. >> Um, and occasionally you will see stuff on there that does better you in some way or gives you some new perspective or new information or whatever. But that's not the design of those things. And I think that there is something lost that we had as kids, which is that like, well, it's the summer now and none of your friends are coming over and yeah, you got video games, but like you got to kill six hours of daylight. What the [ __ ] are you going to do? >> Yeah. >> And so it's maybe you're going to go outside and play or, you know, do something physical. I spent a fuckload of time reading books, right, >> by myself or comic books or whatever or making art. And I think that [clears throat] there is something lost in that. >> Uh, you know, kids being basically like forced to cure their own boredom to find out what does interest them and explore things. That's gone now. >> And I don't know >> what ultimately that will lead to if that's going to be good or bad or irrelevant. I don't know. It's just like everything changes with the times and the more technology we have, the the more different we become as a species, I suppose. Well, I think it's sad because, you know, you would think with all of this technology and the technological advancements that kids would be getting smarter and smarter, but the reality, what I've seen anyway, is that kids are actually becoming dumber and dumber because they do not have like critical thinking skills. They aren't creative. They aren't artistic because I'm bored. >> They're just on their phone scrolling mindlessly. And instead of, you know, like like I used to write books like these little books about leprechauns and [ __ ] or like poems or like draw. >> Wait, you used to write leprechaun books? >> Yeah, I have one. Mom and dad have one about a leprechaun that lives in the Windy City. [laughter] >> Okay. I don't even know. I'm I'm like stroking out. So, first of all, I need to see this when we go back. >> Okay. >> Um, how old were you? elementary maybe like second third grade. >> Okay. Second or third grade. Um they have kept exactly zero of my paraphernalia from these years. >> So congratulations to you on being their favorite first of all. >> Yeah. >> But yeah. No, I hear what you're saying. I remember I used to write little things like that about um I used to have these little toys called musclemen that were from >> I remember musclemen. Yeah. We shoot them down with rubber bands in the kitchen. >> Exactly. Yeah. They were just kind of like little figurines. Um, and you would buy a box of them and they would all look different. And you would, at least for me, I would look at them and be like, "What the [ __ ] is this?" And I would write little like bios for each one of them and give them names and [ __ ] All of that is lost to time that they got your [ __ ] leprechaun in the Windy City book. Huh. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I There is something lost. And, you know, I was a stay-at-home mom and so I was able to kind of foster this environment for my own kids where like if they were bored, we'd do arts and crafts or like we'd go outside and build [ __ ] with twigs or whatever, you know? Um, >> but that [ __ ] is gone. And it's it's about like how can I make a viral moment on TikTok? How can I, you know, uh, win another [ __ ] video game on my phone? And I I definitely see like I see these Tik Toks of teachers talking about their children in the class where they can't do basic [ __ ] like you know a [ __ ] fourth grader can't tie their shoe. >> Yeah. >> Or like if you ask them to go wash an apple and slice it in half, they don't know how. Like these are all basic [ __ ] skills and I feel like they're all just kind of teheing in a win. Okay. Like nobody can do this [ __ ] anymore. And I do blame just the incessant consumption of technology. They don't >> But it's not technology. Technology is not the bad guy here. The bad guy is Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos. They're they're the people controlling the technology and saying, "How do I make the most money off of it?" It's by labbotomizing people with the constant use of it. >> And it works. >> Of course. Of course it worked >> because we are we are stuck in these loops of constantly wanting to be entertained or satisfied or whatever. That's just animal nature. Forget human nature. All animals are that way. Give me what I want when I want it. We all have that impulse. >> And if the world can't provide that, well then you need to fill the time doing other things. And maybe it means you're probing deeper about philosophical questions or doing art or what whatever your thing may be. >> But those it's it's not the technology. The technology of the internet is, I think, perhaps the greatest technology that's ever been created by humanity. AI is now kind of coming up maybe as a close second. Maybe it'll overtake it, but I mean, AI wouldn't exist without it. >> But the ability to share information instantaneously across the world from anyone to anyone is invaluable. >> The fact that now these companies, these media companies have said, "Oh, well, we have this tool. What can we build on top of that tool to make us the most money?" It's just a thing to keep you glued to it. It's It's like an attention suck. And that's them. That's not the technology. Social media is not bad as a idea. Certainly the internet is not bad as an idea. >> Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Uh, you know, but you have parents who just don't give a [ __ ] anymore. >> Here, take your phone, babysit yourself. >> But because they do it, too. It's not even about like, oh, I'll give my kid this [ __ ] horrible thing that's going to rot their brain. It's like the parents are on it 247. The first thing I do when I [ __ ] wake up is Tik Tok and I post a video of our show. >> It usually doesn't end there. You know what I [laughter] mean? I'm [ __ ] flipping through what cats are what are these [ __ ] crazy cats doing today. >> I know. And I hate myself for it. Like I sit there and I'm like, I've literally been on my phone for 15 minutes. >> Like I need to get up and go to the gym. Like I hate myself for it. And it's so habitual that like I wake up, bam, phone. and I [ __ ] hate it. So, I'm going to try to change that. I used to do it at night and just doom scroll till I fell asleep and I was like, "No, I'm going to start reading a book." >> Oh, man. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, now I just read at night and I put my phone away. But, um, >> I hate it because I'm I'm locked in. It's my business now. >> Exactly. That >> That's how I make money. >> Me, too. I two podcasts are my my, you know, kind of primary jobs throughout the day. >> And like >> podcasts are social media. Yes, I've had to hire I have this new girl that I just hired to like I'm like, "Look, [ __ ] we got to post every [ __ ] day, two times a day. I need those Tik Toks. >> It's [laughter] like it's like part of my daily life." And and now at the bakery, we're all having to come up with these [ __ ] ideas. It's I watch a whole other job. >> Yeah. >> You're good at it, though. I think your TikToks are really good. >> Yeah, they're they're taking off. Um, I'm I'm fortunate because my staff is they're all inherently just [ __ ] hilarious >> and I always say like we should we should have like a show or something in here. They all maintain that we might get cancelled cuz some people say some things that are a little bit wild but like [snorts] >> you know like inappropriate [ __ ] Um, >> but I don't like everybody's super funny and we come up with these funny ideas and I don't know it is a good time. >> It it gets us all together and like we all are kind of a group. We make these videos and it's fun, but ultimately it's another [ __ ] thing I got to do every day. >> Yeah. >> And it's and you have to. As a small business owner, I have to. >> Yeah. >> Because if they don't know who I am, why are they buying my [ __ ] >> Absolutely. >> I have to. >> Absolutely. Yes. You have no choice. Um, >> social media is king. >> Well, look, we gone way over time, I think, as a a possible pilot episode of the Libs. I think we could do it maybe. I don't know how often we could do it, but we could fill an hour with talking about something. Come up with some topic in the beginning and just see where it goes and then it winds up talking about our childhoods, of course. And >> yeah, and then mom and dad don't talk to us for about six weeks. [laughter] >> Yeah. I heard on lib sibs you brought up that time. >> Oh my god. Now they're listening to lib sibs. Oh, bed. Med lips. Lip sibs. Lip sibs. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, thank you for joining me for this in mom's absence. Mom, if you are watching this up to this point, I hope installing the recumbent bike went well. I hope dad's on it just spinning his little legs off. And we're going to see both of you very soon in a couple days. I'll see you in a couple of days. >> All right. >> And uh hopefully it goes well. Thank you everyone for joining us. We will be back with a Sunday episode >> this weekend where we are all in the same room. Believe me, >> in the maj. >> Yeah, exactly. We will see you then. Goodbye.