Maga Mom Watches CNN Coverage Of Charlie Kirk Murder

Welcome to the necessary conversation. I'm Chad Cult. With me today is only my mother. We did one of these last week. We're going to do it again today. Mom, I'm going to show you a clip from a news network called CNN. This is a coverage of Charlie Kirk shooting and what has happened since then in the Republican party. And then we're going to play a clip. You have a clip that you want to play me as well, right? >> Yes. >> So, this is kind of a midweek segment that we're testing out. Who knows if we'll do more of these or not, but it really is about showing the other side media coverage that they don't usually see. You don't watch CNN, right? >> No, I do not. >> Okay. Well, right here we have about a 9minute clip. We're going to be pausing in it, talking about it. Are you okay? >> Nine minutes is long. Go ahead. I'm ready. >> It's shorter than one we did last week. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh here we go. Let's jump into this. This is Aaron Bernett from her show. I think her show is called Outfront. I forget what it's called, but she basically is going to be walking us through the Republican reaction to Charlie Kirk's shooting and how they're trying to use that as a an event in government to essentially take control of the country. Here we go. Can you see it? >> Yep. >> Here we go. Let me know if you can hear this. also >> defending not lowering flags to half staff when Melissa Hortman, the Democratic Minnesota House Speaker, was assassinated by someone posing as a police officer in the middle of the night at her home. She opened the door, she was assassinated. He also then said he didn't know who she was. >> Do you think it would have been fitting to lower the flags to have staff when Melissa Horman, the Minnesota House Speaker, was gunned down by an assassin as well? Uh, I'm not familiar. The >> the Minnesota House Speaker, a Democrat, was assassinated this summer. >> Well, if the governor had asked me to do that, I would have done that. But the governor of Minnesota didn't ask me. I didn't uh I wouldn't have thought of that, but I would have if somebody had asked me. >> Okay, let's pause right there. >> Right. >> Do you know who he's talking about? Who they're talking about? >> Is Yes. I think her and her husband and the dog, right? Uh, I don't know if they killed the dog or not, but this was a a literal politician in the state of Minnesota. >> Minnesota >> who was assassinated. He doesn't even know who she is. >> But did you hear him say if the governor would have told him and asked him, he would have done it. >> So, who's the governor of Minnesota? >> That is completely not relevant. >> Okay. It's very relevant. The question I'm asking you is, do you think it's bad he did not know who she was? >> Yes, I do. And >> Okay. Okay. >> And that they didn't lower the flag. That is right. That's not right. >> Okay. So, you're in agreement here with CNN. All right. Let's keep rolling. >> He said he wouldn't have thought of it. Of course, he did think of it with Kirk. Within hours of Kirk's murder, he announced that flags would be lowered to half staff. Trump's comments coming just hours after Vice President Vance filled in as the host of the Charlie Kirk show today. We have to talk about this incredibly destructive movement of left-wing extremism that has grown up over the last few years and I believe is part of the reason why Charlie was killed by an assassin's bullet. But by celebrating that murder, apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but the fact that he said things some didn't like, even to the point of lying about what he actually said. Many of these people are creating an environment where things like this are inevitably going to happen. So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell. Call their employer. >> Out front now, former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger. McCari sellers. >> All right, before we see what these guys have to say, and one of these guys is a Republican or was Adam Kinzinger, the guy on the left here on your screen. He's going to give his reaction to this. Mom, I want to ask you, do you think that that is kind of normal political behavior that the vice president of the United States, a civilian gets killed, the vice president of the United States takes that opportunity to go into that guy's podcast to use his audience to preach whatever message they want, and the message is that there are these systems, these groups of left-wing terrorists essentially trying to take over the country, which is not true. Do you think that's okay? >> He was a personal friend to Charlie Kirk. I don't see any I don't see anything wrong with what he did >> in regard to going on the podcast talking about him for two hours, whatever he did. I don't see anything wrong with that. >> Also, the Minnesota senator >> that was killed or assassinated, >> did anybody celebrate her death? No. Charlie Kirk's death to me because people celebrated that is evil. So I mean it was evil that the other lady got shot too but did anyone celebrate that. >> What does that if people are celebrating or not? Doesn't matter. >> That has nothing to do with it. >> That's evil. That's very evil. >> Right. I don't condone the celebration of anyone's murder obviously. But people celebrating it, whatever the reaction to the event is, doesn't change what the event is. Charlie Kirk was murdered. >> So was that Minnesota state senator. >> Yes. >> One of those events >> is being used for the Republican right >> to essentially try to take control of this country. We're going to get to some more clips in here and we'll we'll really dig into what they're doing. >> Donald Trump didn't even know who the Minnesota lawmaker was. Didn't wasn't even aware of it. You don't think there's a very clear problem there? >> Was it Was she a senator? >> Minnesota state, >> huh? Yeah, that's that's not right. >> All right, let's keep going. >> Out front, the former Democratic South Carolina state representative. And of course, as you are both aware, uh bunch of people have been fired for saying things uh after the Charlie Kirk murder. >> That too. Let's let's zero in on that one thing that JD Vance said that you should call people's employers and try to get them fired. Do you think the vice president of United States should be saying that to people? >> I see nothing wrong with that. No one should celebrate a death. No one. And if you are on social media, if you are out there spewing this, you should not have a job because you're not even human. You're >> you're evil. I I mean I'm not necessarily agreeing with you, but I I do agree that celebrating anyone's death is bad. We shouldn't do it. What I'm asking you though is this. Can you see that when he goes on that podcast and he says, "Call people's employers." That's not going to be just sane people going, "You know what? This person's celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. I'm going to call their employer." That's going to be every right-wing person looking at every left-wing person. And if they're just pu uh posting anything, they're going to call the employer and be like, "They're saying bad shit." You can understand how this what uh Vance is asking people to do is not going to be applied in a a rational way. He's inciting a mob, an online mob to try and take down people on the left. >> I don't agree with that. I just think he's saying if people celebrated this, if they put it out there >> on social media, they should not they should be held accountable. Um, our superintendent of schools said the same thing here. I think there was another senator from our state that said, "Report people. This is not right." >> But on this very show, >> Haley and I have not celebrated his death, but we have called him a horrible piece of [ __ ] which I still believe he is. >> Um, >> and I hope both of you have no repercussions over that. >> But you believe if we do, it's justified. >> Well, you shouldn't be saying that. >> Why? >> Because he he was murdered, Chad. Plenty of people get murdered. Plenty of people get murdered. That doesn't make them good or bad people in and of itself. It doesn't exonerate their beliefs, their actions. Charlie Kirk, in my opinion, was a terrible person who said horrible things constantly, and that's how he made his living. I don't think that warrants his murder. I don't think anyone should be murdered, but it doesn't change my opinion of who he was as a person. And under the first amendment, I should be able to voice that opinion without repercussion, legal, financial, or otherwise. >> We all should be. But the country that we live in now is not that way, it seems. >> Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So, you're accepting that we are we are in an authoritarian regime, or at least is what they're trying to do. >> Not an authoritarian regime. It is evil against good. And remember a long time ago, Dad told you you're going to have to pick a side. Do you remember this? You're going to have to pick a side. >> I don't have to. It's This is This whole idea that there are two sides is just wrong. There's not two sides. There are >> We're going to get to my clip. Get going. >> Okay. >> When you hear JD Vance hosting that podcast, the sitting vice president of the United States hosting the Kirk podcast today, I know you had a chance to listen to much of it. You know, what did you think? >> I mean, look, this is the weirdest time. It's it's you know there's only as I see it >> now this guy's a Republican >> one kind of group of people trying to make this a very divisive thing and that is people like JD Vance. I mean I've only seen we can all go on Twitter and see people that celebrate it. They're usually faceless nameless people and it's disgusting. But every Democratic leader I've seen has expressed remorse for what happened, has expressed concern, has expressed compassion for the family. It's like they're trying to stir this thing up. And it's this is so dangerous. That's the thing is this is such a dangerous moment because a cycle of violence is what I fear and a cycle of violence doesn't end well for anybody. Nobody wanted this to happen to Charlie Kirk. This is awful. and for the vice president to say he knows who did it and the motivation I don't even think law enforcement has said that there was a specific motivation behind it. So this is really dangerous >> right and he's talking about you know left-wing e extremism as a group right at that and that's the that's the motive that's what's behind it. So Bari in this podcast Vance also interviews the White House deputy chief of staff Steven Miller. Now obviously Stephen Miller has an incredibly large amount of power right now. So what he said on this is really >> Do you know who Steven Miller is? >> Uhuh. Who is he? >> He's one of Trump's chief adviserss. He was one of the the biggest architects of Project 2025. He's very openly racist, misogynistic. He wants women to not be able to vote. He He's said all kinds of like crazy [ __ ] >> Is he bald-headed? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. I know him. >> Okay. >> Important. I'll play it. We are going to channel all of the anger that we have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. It is a vast domestic terror movement. And with God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name. Okay. So, what he's saying there is there are vast terrorist networks that have orchestrated this and that they are going to crack down on those terrorist networks in Charlie's name. He's invoking Charlie Kirk like a religious martyr. And he is starting to put out this idea that there is a vast terrorist network of left-wing maniacs. That does not exist. And what he is doing here is trying to put in your head, in the head of all MAGA, that now they can take anybody they want. It's not just brown people. It's not illegal immigrants. Now it's anybody who says anything they don't agree with. You're part of the terrorist network, so we're going to take you. Do you see how they're doing this? >> No, I don't interpret it the way that you're stating that at all. >> Okay. >> I I totally believe that Charlie Kirk was starting to influence our youth >> to think different, to think outside the box, >> to think that there is a left movement and maybe he was swaying them more to the right >> and the left people didn't like it. >> Okay. So, the guy who is now in custody as the shooter that we all perceive him to be, I mean, he it's alleged, it's charged, hasn't been found guilty yet, but it seems very likely that he will. >> Um, so far all actual news coming out about it says that he acted alone and they don't know the motives. So, when Steven Miller is saying there are these uh terror networks on the left, do you believe that? >> Well, I don't know. My brain's all over the place with with um theories myself. Why did Charlie Kirk's wife say they they did this to him? >> Exactly. >> Who is they? >> Okay, we're getting somewhere now. >> They're saying they >> because they are trying to manipulate everyone. They're trying to put this story out there. Steven Miller's a part of it too. That there are these again he's saying terror networks. She's saying they as though now in your mind there is a group of people who are your enemy who have who have done this horrible thing to Charlie Kirk. >> I just hang on hang on. Hang on. They're trying to put in your mind this nebulous idea that there are groups of people that need to be stopped. So in the beginning that group was illegal immigrants. Well, how long can you keep going with that narrative? They've deported how many people now? Are there even any illegal immigrants left in America? Now they're turning it toward Americans. This is how they're going to be able to round up American citizens and throw you in a van because you're a terrorist. You posted something on your Instagram account that was against Charlie Kirk. We can now round you up in a van. You're a terrorist. Throw you in jail. Deport you because you're a terrorist. >> You're like thinking crazy town. You're thinking >> you're watching the footage of it. They're doing this. >> But in my mind, the they I I truly don't think that this kid acted alone. I really don't. >> Why? Why not? >> I think he was maybe a psy. I really do. I've read a whole bunch of stuff. I But I tried to keep off the internet for a while, but then I >> You think he shot the bullet? >> I don't know. Now I'm seeing that the bullet could have come from a different direction. There was an airplane they're saying that was parked um >> waiting on someone to get in and took off and took someone away. >> Okay, so listen though, there's all these conspiracies. >> No, I I and I don't know the truth of any of this stuff, but let's look at let's look at the bottom line of this. If there was some evidence that this kid was part of a left-wing terror network or was even left-wing in ideology at all, >> wouldn't the right put that information out immediately? >> They're they're gathering information, >> but it's been a week. They don't have that information doesn't exist or it would be out now. Cash Patel immediately tweeted, "We have the suspect in custody." a [ __ ] lie just to make himself look good on day one. They didn't have anyone. They had two people in custody and they let them go that day. So, it stands to reason that if they had any credible information that the shooter was left-wing or part of a left-wing terrorist organization, that information would be very public by now. Do you agree with what the news has said, and I've seen this on all channels, >> that he lived with a a guy that was transitioning to be a girl and that the shooter was very heavy into transgenderism in different chat groups and and his beliefs. >> Okay. >> Do you believe that? >> Well, let's take exactly what you're saying and break this down. I haven't read any of that. I don't I don't know what the truth of that is. I'll assume it's true. I'll go with you on this. >> Uhuh. >> Who cares? >> Because dad and I have always talked about shootings, trans d transgenderism, things like that. And you and and Haley just shoot us down every time we say that >> because to the tune of 99.9 infinity% all >> mass shootings in this country >> happen >> from white straight guys. >> Okay. Well, >> you can look at one transgender person who did it or two out of hundreds thousands that have happened in the last decade. >> I can give you about eight or nine or 10 because people send them to me all the time. >> But they're not anyway. >> True. I remember when this when the Charlie Kirk shooting happened, the first thing I saw in right-wing media was they had identified the shooter as this transgender person and they basically doxed this transgender person who is not the shooter >> ruined this person's life. >> Yeah. You know, I think it's too soon. They are being careful now because they did have the wrong guy first. They are being careful as what they put out what they're going to put out there. >> I Okay. I I just want to again make sure you're understanding what all of them are saying and you've even identified it with Charlie Kirk's wife. The right is trying to spin this idea that there is >> again I think our left is evil and corrupt and there's more than >> uh just that shooter. There's got to be that have so much hate that he's going to do this alone. >> How I would ask the same question of the guy who killed the Minnesota lawmaker. >> Yeah. I think there's other people. I really do. >> Continue. >> Do you think there are people on the right then who are doing the same thing because we had a right-wing maniac kill a Minnesota lawmaker who was a Democrat? >> I don't know. I I haven't read much about that or researched it. I don't really have an opinion on that one. >> Okay. Very convenient. >> I don't honest. >> That's fine. The guy they found who did those killings >> had a list of 70 other Democrats that he was going to try and kill. Yeah, that's not good. No. >> Correct. But no one on the left is saying he's part of a vast right-wing conspiracy terror network. They're they're putting this idea out that there is a left-wing terror network. Now, just like they do with illegal immigrants, they're going to send ICE to just yank anybody off the street and they're going to say they're in the terror network. And and there's nothing you can do about it because the terror network doesn't [ __ ] exist. I do know this and you didn't let me speak about it on the other podcast. I won't do names. I won't do whatever, but businesses are being closed down very close to where we live. >> I was like, "What the hell's going on there?" We went out to see our horse the other day. I was like, "What?" And then my friend told me what was going on due to someone posting vile stuff, >> okay, >> about Charlie Kirk and about the assassination. >> And so it's already happening. They've already got it. The poison is in the people now. When when we are turning against each other and saying, "You posted something I don't like," which is freedom of speech, by the way. You and dad are always talking about that. >> Well, then we're going to run you out of town. We're going to shut down your business. We're going to dox you. We're going to threaten. >> Yes, I am seeing it. It's not good. I'm very scared. We We are That's why I said my eyes are open. I The people I line with now are just my very close circle. I'm only going to the barn. I'm only going to see Jules. I'm only going to see my friends that I know are loyal to me and my and Bob and that's it. >> Okay, let's keep going here. >> Um, just to be clear, Bari, investigators so far have said they believe Kirk's suspected shooter acted alone. Okay. But what you heard there from Steven Miller as a matter of fact presented as that was that there was an organized campaign that led to this assassination and that they are going to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So what do you hear when you hear that? I >> mean unfortunately they're using Charlie Kirk's uh murder as a pretext to go out and suppress and take away further rights from individuals who they disagree with. Um look I I agree with adding Adam Kissinger. You have a a young man who was whose life was taken away from us far too young, whose children will have to grow up without a father and whose wife will have to have this life without a husband. There is no person who should celebrate the fact that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, murdered. There's no one who should celebrate that. But we can also do that without sanitizing the man. We can also do that with uh without having to to be fearful about calling out the racism or the bigotry or the misogyny or the divisiveness that came out of Charlie Kirk's mouth while he was alive. And so when you have somebody like the vice president of the United States and you have somebody as powerful as Stephen Miller doubling down on the divisiveness, I mean, you have to wonder where we are as a country. I'm afraid to say we hit rock bottom because tomorrow we can go even further. But what Stephen Miller's talking about is chilling. And Adam Adam knows this as well. Democrats, we fell in love with cancel culture. It wasn't but four or five years ago Democrats were just trying to cancel people for being ignorant or just not knowing or saying stuff. And I spoke out against it. A lot of not enough people spoke out against it. But now you see Republicans firing people because of what they tweet. you're calling people's jobs because I if Charlie Kirk is this free speech martyr, this seems to be the antithesis thereof. And so I I'm concerned about where we're going and what we're using it for. >> I want to get to the word martyr that you mentioned in in a moment because I think it's really important. Uh but first, you know, Bari, what do you say to President Trump today saying he never ordered flags to be flown to half staff for Melissa Hortman's murder? uh he said frankly because he never would have thought of it and also because the governor never asked him to do it. Obviously in this case he thought of it and he didn't need to be asked to do it. Uh he at first said um he you know didn't didn't know who she was. >> No the flags did not need to be lowered for Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is >> Do you think they needed to be lowered for Charlie Kirk? Mom. >> Yes. >> Why? >> Assassination. Cuz they killed him in broad daylight >> and yes it's a day of mourning. But do you also think that they should have been lowered for the Minnesota lawmaker who was assassinated? >> Yes. I think they should be lowered every time someone in our country gets murdered for no reason. >> They would literally always be at half staff. Then that murders happen constantly in our country. >> Okay. >> All right. [Music] >> Are you laughing or are you coughing? >> I was laughing. >> Stop it. You know about the CDC shooting? >> Yes. >> And that was a right-wing person who did that. You understand that, >> right? >> And you feel okay about that. It's justified. >> No. We've got to stop killing each other. It's getting ridiculous. >> I agree. So, to that end, when you see Steven Miller, JD Vance, Donald Trump, all of the top Republican people are saying, "We're at war." No, you're >> What I hear What I hear them saying is this has to stop and we're going to stop it one way or another. >> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. They're not saying this has to stop. They're saying we're just getting started. >> Charlie Kirk's wife said, "You have awoken. This my uh voice will ring out like a battlecry." They are starting this war. They believe in their minds, hang on, hang on. >> They're not stopping anything. They are encouraging citizens to dox each other to get people fired. They are trying to get the fight going so that they can swoop in and take authoritarian control of the population once they have the ability and and I think there may be a clip in here Pam Bondi too. She was talking about they're going to come after people who do hate speech now, right? So they will have the ability to define hate speech as whatever they want. It could be what we're saying on this podcast right now. Just something that disagrees with Trump. That's hate speech. Ice shows up at your house, throws you into a [ __ ] car. You don't see that that's happening right now. That that's the end goal of this. >> I don't agree with that. Okay. Her battle cry was >> that we're going back to God. That we are now going to become united in a country with family, >> God, and country. What about people who don't have families or don't worship the same God? >> That's what's wrong with our United States. >> Okay. So, what should happen to those people in your mind? >> They need to get into community into people. >> What if they don't want to? >> And then they should not be in our United States. That's what our United States was built on. >> So, so you're advocating deporting American citizens if they don't agree with you. >> No, >> that's what you just said. No, I didn't say deport them. >> You said they shouldn't be in the United States. What What else can that mean? >> Wrong with our country right now. There's not enough family. There is not enough um there's not enough faith. There's not enough >> The shooter, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk comes from a a very religious right-wing family, >> right? But his father stated the last year he has be become more radicalized and more left-sighted. >> And what has happened in the last >> year college? He went to college. >> Donald Trump became president again and started doing all this crazy [ __ ] Um, okay. We have a couple minutes left of this clip. Let's let's try and get through the rest of it, then we'll watch yours. >> Who were killed in elementary schools. I I just think that we have gotten so far off kilter in this country where everything is political gamesmanship. Everything is oneupmanship. Everything is divisive. And so, look, I I think that whatever the president wants to do in his private time to acknowledge the death of Charlie Kirk, please do it. But there are so many people who were hurt by his words while he was here. And so, I pray that we utilize this moment to be better. But unfortunately JD Vance and Donald Trump, they aren't echoing those same sentiments. >> Congressman, I want to get back to the martyr in this context. Okay? And that is this word martyr that is being used by many uh President Trump himself, right? That Charlie Kirk's murder has made him a martyr. Play a few. >> He's a martyr for truth and freedom >> now. And for all eternity, he will stand at his savior's side wearing the glorious crown of a martyr. >> Charlie died a martyr. >> He's a modern-day Christian martyr. >> Steve Bannon at least uh congressman put the uh >> Do you think he's a martyr? >> I do. They assassinated him. He believed in God. He had faith. They shot him down. Is that a martyr? >> I mean, it's a >> Yes. >> Do you think it gets dangerous when our government is using overt Christian ideology in what they're saying to the public? Do you believe in separation of church and state? >> Yes, I guess. But I I like I tried to say earlier, there is the God that we all believed in. Where is he? Our country is so divided now. Well, I mean, that's a question for you. You're the Christian. If you believe in a Christian God who's all powerful and has a plan for everyone, certainly all of this is a part of that plan. >> Yes. I guess he had a higher plan for Charlie Kirk >> to help us all unite to come back together through no violence. We've got to quit killing each other in the violence. This is >> So, when you're saying you want no violence, do you believe our government saying it is a war on these left terrorist cells? Do you think that is more or less violent? >> I don't see it as they're saying it's a war. They're saying we have to stop it. Everybody has to come together. >> His wife said it's a battlecry. What else is that? >> A battle cry to come back to God for all of us. >> Okay. So, in authoritarian regimes, one of the biggest pieces of the playbook and and one of the final pieces really is the overt ability to turn your law enforcement and your military against your own citizens. We are seeing Trump take steps toward that by sending Marines and National Guard into American cities. He's going to do another one this week. I think he said um this piece is kind of like the real final piece to it where they are going to be able to legally say there are these terrorists. We are going to find them and they can use whatever pretense they want. It's same with with uh illegal immigrants. They don't have to have a warrant. They don't have to have anything. And the Supreme Court has said you can use people's last names if they speak Spanish, the color of their skin, you can pick anybody up for any reason. Basically, they they've said that now in terms of this these ICE raids and illegal immigration to crack down on it, right? So now it's going to go to the Supreme Court. Can we do the same thing for people who have what we deem hate speech, which can be anything? >> I sure hope not. >> All right, let's uh we got one more minute left. Here we go. word Christian in front of it. Right? Martyr is a religious word. It is very much a religious word. That is the definition. So what do you hear here when you hear again and again and again that word being used about a political figure? >> Yeah. I mean I hear what I think they're trying to get out which is it's almost a religious movement. I mean look it's I've seen people talking about praying that he's risen from the dead and serious about this. And uh you know, as a Christian myself, it's very disturbing to watch somebody put anybody on a pedestal almost equal to Jesus Christ, it seems. But I I think it's an inappropriate use of the word. It's it's attempted to be this kind of call to action. And when people like Stephen Miller talk about going after folks that disagree, let's be very clear, they're trying to intimidate people from having a political opinion. You know, we talk about the fact that not everybody liked Charlie Kirk's political opinion, and everybody I've heard said, "But he had every right to go out and say it." Well, that's the same for people that these folks disagree with, and now they're trying to put the chill on it. Look, I mean, if you're on social media literally celebrating the death, well, then you're an idiot. And maybe there are repercussions that should happen. But simply to have an opinion that's different, my goodness, I I I just uh I I'm almost speechless because this party that I used to that, you know, 10 years ago was nothing like this has totally turned on its head. >> Thank you both very much. I appreciate the conversation. >> Okay, there you go. When he said when he said we're going to go after him, what what I interpret that as being we're going to see did this shooter act alone? Were there people that backed him financially? Sure. Did they say if you kill him, we're going to give you this amount of money. We'll get you off the hook. Don't worry about it. That's what I think >> he was talking about. >> I Okay, that's fine. But but you're missing the bigger picture. How are they going to identify those people that they say have inappropriately responded to Charlie Kirk's death or might be part of this network? They're going to make those things up. They won't need warrants. They they have already got the game plan down with what they're doing to illegal immigrants. ICE doesn't need warrants. They don't need to identify themselves. They all wear masks and they are kidnapping people off the streets at will. They're already doing that and the Supreme Court says that's fine. The next step is, well, now it's not just illegal immigrants. We have to go after these left-wing terrorists also. Well, how do you determine who's in the left-wing terror organization? Oh, this guy had a tweet that didn't like Donald Trump, so we got to get him. >> Do you think it's fair though for the people to be on Instagram, Tik Tok, wherever they are um celebrating his death and and saying bad things about that? Do you think there should be re repercussions for that, Chad? >> Maybe >> celebrating his death. >> That's that's like at a personal level, though. If you own like a public-f facing business and you're celebrating his death, people can make the choice whether or not they want to keep doing business with you, that's fine. I I have no problem with that. I'm looking at this from a governmental standpoint. They are now going to start passing laws and I'm sure he's going to have an executive order identifying the left as a terrorist organization. That's coming in the next two or three weeks. I would guess once that happens, once the left or liberals or however they want to put it is identified as a terrorist organization, ICE is going to start sweeping through all all the big blue cities, LA, New York, all of them. And they're going to start rounding up people based on what they're tweeting, what they're saying. That's what they're trying to do here. I can't believe you don't see it. >> I don't see it. I really don't see it like that. I don't. >> Okay, let's move on. You have a clip here that you wanted to play. I >> Yeah, I really like I like this guy. I've started following him on Instagram. >> Okay. >> Jeffrey me. >> This is an Instagram clip from you. Now, it's interesting the clip that this guy is watching that dude in that clip in the clip within the clip is named Emanuel Ao. Do you know who he is? >> No, I just know Jeffrey. >> Interesting. It's interesting that you you sent me this clip. Emanuel Ao ties into The Bachelor, which is another podcast that I talk all about. He hosted Yeah. He hosted the After the Final Rose of season 25, which was the first season that had a black bachelor. And in that season, the original host of the show, Chris Harrison, got in trouble for all these racist things he said. And so they brought in Emanuel Ao after they fired him. >> Okay, so let's see what this clip is. Here we go. Are you ready? >> Yes. >> Okay. Charlie Kirk's death has led me to an uncomfortable conversation that I want to facilitate. To my white brothers and sisters, how would you hope your minority friends respond to the celebration of Charlie Kirk's life when he has very publicly said things like this? >> I live like a capitalist every single day, Jake. I live as a capitalist. >> Because of DEI, it begs the question when you see a black pilot, you wonder. You say, I hope they are qualified. If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic black woman, I don't I I wonder is she there because of her her excellence? >> And Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katangi Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. They're coming out and they're saying, "I'm only here because of affirmative action." Yeah, we know you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. Refer to Asian individuals by the Cword, a word too violent for me to even utter. >> We started this whole thing off wrong. I would suggest you do some research and get some context about things before you start formulating your opinions. For one, he didn't call anyone the C-word. He called the man by his name. He was talking to the man whose name is Chank. >> Chen was speaking out of turn from the crowd saying something that >> Okay, Chad. >> Yeah. Do you say yes that mom was right when I told you that on the podcast that he didn't say a racial slur and that was that man's name? >> But the way he says it, >> Chad. >> Yes, that is the guy's name. I agree with you. >> And just hang on a second. Let me give my answer to you. >> Hang on. People ran with that saying that he was calling him a racial slur and he did not. >> But okay, if I may, may I? >> Yes. Yes. >> The way he says it, there is a glee in his voice to even getting to use the word. >> Yes, it's the guy's name, but the way he's doing it is it's a little weird. You have to admit. >> Crazy. Now, he was a little bit over um >> How many other people has he stood up and yelled their first name at them? Well, Jeffrey me goes on to say that he probably did it a little bit over the top or whatever, but that was the dude's name, Chad. >> I understand it's his name. >> But there's a reason that he says his name in that way and no one else's first name when he's standing up to yell at them. >> You understand? >> No, he said the name. That's what he said and yelled it. >> That was not true. Now, you can argue Charlie lost his self-control, which I think he did. I think he should have handled it a little bit better, but he wasn't calling anybody the C-word. So again, we're starting this whole thing off with misinformation. Now, let's let you continue. >> Refer to Michelle Obama and Katanji Brown Jackson of the Supreme Court, both Harvard graduates, as not having the brain processing power to be taken seriously. >> Yes, he can critique their brain processing power. Also, Katanji Brown Jackson and Kla Harris are both DEI hires. And I'll show you the proof here in a second. But back to brain processing power. Let's go back to Katanji Brown Jackson when she was asked a question. Watch this. >> Can you provide a definition for the word woman? >> Can I provide a definition? >> Yeah, >> I can't. >> You can't. >> I think you and I can both agree that a woman. >> So, I don't understand what you're basically using this as a way to validate the racist [ __ ] that Charlie Kirk said about them. She couldn't even tell us what a woman is or was, nor did she want to. >> Yeah. >> And that is someone that we wanted to put into high government. >> Donald Trump is the president of the United States. >> Uhhuh. I think he knows the difference between a woman and a man, and he would tell you straight up. But if if what you're saying is you're going to pick this one clip where she won't identify the a clear-cut definition of the word woman and you're saying that means she has zero brain processing power. Whatever. >> How many clips do I have to show you of Donald Trump mispronouncing things, not knowing [ __ ] He said 300 million people died of drugs last year. >> Right. He got the He got the number wrong. Yes. >> No [ __ ] That's like the entire population of the United States. Keep saying what Jeffrey said. I love Jeffrey. >> Okay, just ignore what I'm saying. Sure. >> Yes. >> Being nominated for the Supreme Court should be able to define what a woman is. It's not rocket science. Now, let's go back to the proof of DEI. Listen to Joe Biden. >> I committed that if I'm elected president, have an opportunity to appoint someone to the courts. We'll be I'll appoint the first black woman to the courts. It's required that they have representation now. It's long overdue. Secondly, if I'm elected president, my my cabinet, my administration will look like the country, and I commit that I will in fact appoint a I'll pick a woman to be vice president. >> So, yes, in the 2020 primaries, Joe, what's wrong with any of that? >> Well, he is pushing DEI and black women whether they're qualified or not. >> But they are qualified. The whole this is what you don't understand about DEI and you were saying this push. Why didn't he push um uh a purple person? Uh yellow person, a black, you know, different colored people. No, he's pushing black. And that was DEI started back in 2020. Pushed by him. >> This is what you don't understand about DEI. You said this in our last episode >> uh about like they're hiring people to fly planes who aren't qualified just because they're black. Everybody who's flying a plane is qualified. DEI gets at a root issue which has given favoritism to white people in these jobs to men in these jobs when there are qualified women qualified people of color who can also do those jobs. So by Joe Biden >> I I think what DEI is to me is that a person of color has to be in that position. It's saying they will look at all candidates who are qualified and yes, if especially in a cabinet like he's saying, "I want my cabinet to look like the United States." Why wouldn't you want that? >> Did you just not hear what Biden said? No matter what, he would have a black person in there. >> Great. And >> what if they're not qualified? They are. He would pick someone black >> that is not qualified over someone >> of a different color that was >> wrong. >> Okay, keep the clip going. >> No, hang on a minute cuz you're not getting this. >> Yes, I am. >> TI does not mean you just the the first person you see who's not a white straight guy, you're like, "Yep, they're in." Because they're not a white straight guy. >> That's what I think it is. >> That is not what it is. >> Okay. There are plenty of people of all genders, sexualities, races, creeds, and cultures >> who are qualified for all jobs. >> Right? >> There is a problem in this country, a systemic racism that makes it difficult for those people to get jobs. Statistically, it makes it harder for them to get jobs than for white straight guys in in whatever field, politics, business, whatever field, in all fields. Biden is saying, "I'm going to change that. I will pick someone qualified to be in this position, whatever it is, a cabinet position, his vice president, whatever. But that will be a black woman or a woman or whatever he was saying in that, which is [ __ ] fine. >> Black, >> who cares? >> Why not say, "I'm going to pick the most qualified person no matter the color of their skin." Why doesn't he state it that way? >> Okay, let's just move on. Let's keep going on this clip. Okay. >> Going to do Katanji Brown Jackson and Kla Harris were both DEI hires or appointees or picks, whatever you want to say. And his DEI appointee to the Supreme Court couldn't even define what a woman is. Joe Biden didn't say, "Hey, I'm going to go find the absolute best person for the job. I don't care if they're a man. I don't care if they're a woman. I'm going to go find the best person for the job." He said, "I'm going to put women in both positions and I'm going to put a black woman on the Supreme Court." And that is the energy the left was trying to spread across the country. And for a while that was spreading across the country. There are also many people on the left who try to lower standards for black people. So just because someone like Joe Biden says somebody's qualified, what is their definition of qualified? So what Charlie Kirk is saying makes perfect sense. If you know a bunch of people are getting put in positions due to the color of their skin, that begs the question, are they actually qualified? Because we know it's not about merit at this point. It's about skin color. and Joe Biden was trying to set that precedent from the top. So, no, Charlie's not wrong for saying that. And also, I want to go back to Charlie saying this. >> If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic black woman, I don't I I wonder is she there because of her her excellence? >> I think a lot of people are going to take that out of context. And he said that black women are moronic. That is not what he said. He was being very specific with what he said. He said amoronic black women. He didn't say black women are all moronic. He's giving a very specific situation. If there's a moronic black woman in customer service that's not doing good at her job. He wonders if she's there due to merit or if she's a DEI hire because people are focusing on skin color aggressively in their hiring processes. That's not racist. So, I'm not speaking for white people. I can't speak for them specifically here. What I'm saying though is I would expect black people to be able to see these things for what they are and not be emotionally manipulated by compilations that aren't really accurate about what's going on. I would expect black people to do their research, no offense, like you didn't because you thought he called him a slur when he just called him by his name. I would expect us to do more research about many of these topics rather than just seeing something taken out of context and then latching on to that and saying, "Oh, he's racist. He's a bigot. He's this. He's that." So, I would expect black people to be better than that and see through a bunch of these lies that are being spread. And then if you're able to see through the lies that are being spread, there's no reason to be offended about people celebrating in life. Anyway, just a reminder, I have a free email newsletter where I give you morning updates about what's going on in this is >> Yeah. No, I I understand why you like him. Is that Is it over? Can I end it? >> I'm gonna ask him to be on our podcast. I like him. >> Okay. Ask him to be on our podcast. So, I just want to I want to hit this idea of people being qualified for their jobs or underqualified or whatever. >> If that's really your argument, let me ask you this question. Do you think Pete Hegth, a Fox News host, is qualified to run the Pentagon? >> Donald Trump thought he was. So, there you go. >> Do you think Cash Patel is qualified to run the FBI? >> I like him much better. Yes. >> Okay. You there's no easy way to say it. You and dad are racist and you you look for any uh justifications for your attitude. >> I'm not racist. I don't like I don't like you to push that on me. So, stop. >> You and dad both admitted it in the last podcast >> by saying what? >> Oh my god. We had a long conversation about how you're defending Charlie Kirk. played those exact same clips of him saying all this racist [ __ ] and now you're showing me some evidence here in your mind that those clips are not racist. When he said moronic black woman >> that he called the guy a name >> his by his name >> it was the way he said it. He knew as he was saying it. I get to say a racial slur here because it is this guy's name. >> Oh my gosh. >> You can What do you mean? Oh my gosh. You are watching the clip. You see him take glee in saying the word because he knows he can say it. It's his first name. >> That's your interpretation of it, not mine. That's ridiculous. >> All right. Well, I just want to in closing here, thank you for doing this with me, Mom. I think these little midweek >> now you made me mad at the end, but that's okay. >> I made you mad at the end. I just the the bigger point here in my mind is what is going on with our government and how they are now putting this idea out there that there are left-wing terrorist organizations that need to be cleansed from the land. That idea is going to be used to round up citizens who just disagree with MAGA. That's going to start happening very soon. >> I don't agree. We just have to get rid of evil. There's evil and good. Which side you going to pick, Chad? Which side are you in? >> What's the evil side? >> The mean people. Okay. >> People that don't believe in God. People that want to kill. >> I don't believe in God. >> You believe in something higher up. You said >> I believe in something beyond the physical realm, but not a God. Certainly not a Christian God. >> Well, you believe in something at least. Okay. >> All right. Well, thank you for joining me for this. Thanks everybody for joining us for this. We will be back on Sunday with a full episode with the whole family. Um, [ __ ] is getting heated out there. I don't know what's going to happen as a result of this idea they're now trying to put out there with the terrorist organizations on the left. Be careful with what you post. I guess um, some things can start to happen now. I think we will start seeing people getting kidnapped by ICE based on political views or perceived political views in the near future. So stay safe if you can. >> Stay safe. >> I love you, Mom, despite your crazy views. >> Oh, that's nice. I love you, too. Despite your crazy views. All right, we will see you all soon.