Should Mamdani be allowed to attend the 911 memorial?

Ready? Go. Ready? Ready? You ready? Yep. You ready? Go. Are you ready? Are you ready? Hell yes. Welcome to the necessary conversation. I'm Chad Kultgen with me is my mom. MAGA? No, you're wearing an American flag today. You mix it up. Last week it was the Trump hat.

I always mix it up. Okay. We are going to be showing each other videos from the opposite sides of our information bubbles. What has already happened this week? Some of these things that I'm putting in these videos were things that I was thinking about saving till Sunday, but I was like, "Fuck it, let's do it now." And I think I haven't watched your videos, but I've seen kind of the first two or three frames of them as I'm downloading them. So, I think yours are about Mom Donny to some degree. Mine are as well.

Oh, it could be the same one. I don't think we're showing you the same videos. [laughter] I think they will be very different. But, I have some Mom Donny stuff, you have some Mom Donny stuff, and we're going to be diving into that. But, I am not sure that's what your first video is about.

I'm not sure either. Remember, once I send them, I forget. But, today in Dallas, um your sister is way too busy today because she's making cookies that say F Trump on them.

Nice. And and selling out and can't keep them in the store because today is the very first ever Republican um What's it called? It's a midterm convention they're having.

Trumpapalooza. Yes, that's what it's called. And he will be speaking tonight. Um I think that he's pissed because tonight is also um football is on TV.

Well, there'll be a little competition. Maybe, maybe not. Yeah, I predict nobody's going to show up to it and it's going to be very low ratings.

Oh, okay. We will see. There's supposed to be like over 100 speakers, Vance tomorrow night, Trump tonight. Mhm. Well, one of my clips has to do with Trump as well, so. Shall we dive into this?

Yes, I'm ready. All right, this is the first clip you have presented me in the string of clips that you sent me via email. Let's see what this little guy has to say. Here we go. Oh, already.

The Trump administration wants to pay married stay-at-home moms. Backed by Vice President J.D. Vance, they want to alter the federal child care and development fund, which is worth $12 billion, to establish a new parent-based child care. Now, this draft would be about $9,000 per year. I think stay-at-home moms are worth more, but of course, if you're already making ends meet as is, an additional $9,000 on top of a child care credit would be very helpful. And that is if one parent remains at home to provide care while the other spouse works at least 35 hours per week and the household earns 85% or less of the

Okay. So, I like that idea. Um I know a lot of people right now that both of them are married, both have to work.

Mhm. But, if [clears throat] one of them could stay at home to raise the children, I think it's a great idea. Because most of the time I hear people not wanting to get married so that they both can get state funds that way.

Okay. I think it's a great idea if it does go through. I've spoke to someone very close to me right now, too, that her husband works she works, did work but what but chose to stay at home with the child and they're having a tough time. So, that could benefit people that need that.

Yeah, sure. I I have no problem with giving money to help people raise their kids. Totally fine. It's the weird like Christian right double standard that they're throwing in here that it's only for married couples. What about people who are unmarried? What about single mothers? Do they not need that financial assistance as well?

I think they do have through states. They do have that, too. But I have other couples that don't want to get married because of that to get the free money.

Okay. I'm just saying that's a pretty good thing. I I do believe for working couples that one could stay home. Any money that the government gives back to the people in any capacity, I suppose

Yeah, for their kids. Yeah. I mean, there was a time when you were little and Haley was little, both dad and I were working and child care like took up most of my paycheck. So, I was like, why am I even working, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't dispute this clip. It is a little weird that it's not given to all children or all parents, you know, that you have to be married and staying at home. It's very much reinforcing a kind of trad wife Christian nationalist viewpoint of what a woman is. Other than that, uh the the financial assistance is great.

Okay. Okay, next clip from you. Uh here we go. On May 5th, 2026, New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani signed an executive order recognizing 9/11, then handed the symbolic pen to a controversial aid who had previously represented an Al-Qaeda terrorist linked to the Pentagon attack, and internet lost it. Administration officials gathered at City Hall for the signing of two executive orders ahead of the 25th anniversary of the September 11th attacks.

[laughter] The [ __ ] Okay. He was seen smirking and they're playing horror music under it. What's so funny about that? That is a slap in the face to any families of 9/11. That man defended Al-Qaeda terrorist, Chad.

Okay. He also defended people from Guantanamo Bay. Um, Mhm. so is that the New York mayor likes to surround himself with people like that?

Yeah. Look, I don't know what the the exact circumstances of this are. I'm trying to read this real quick, but Okay, he also that man um he represented another person who bombed oil tankers back in 2014. That was a terrorist. And that man's sister was married to one of the hijackers that hi that struck the Pentagon.

Whose sister? What? is that the right people that should be standing there? Uh if he's just a lawyer and he's somehow at like an upper echelon where he's like kind of a public defender for high-profile cases like this, like when they're trying the Al-Qaeda the Al-Qaeda guy I don't think that guy gets to be like, "Find me the best lawyer in the world to get me off." I think he gets like whoever our government gives him. And if this is

he was defended by someone um that was given to him, but he asked for this guy. He wanted this counsel. This guy could have said no. He said, "Of course." I did. I researched it.

All right, I'm trying to read through this now cuz someone else found he found the Creating Law Enforcement Accountability and Responsibility Law Clinic, which is centered around supporting Muslim and all other client communities and movements in New York City. Um immigrant from Lebanon

Right, who defended Al-Qaeda terrorists. It's a snub in the face. It's been all over the internet. But defending somebody who is a terrorist doesn't mean you are a terrorist. It means you're a lawyer who is a defense attorney. That's all that means.

Right, but he didn't have to take the job. He didn't have to take it. Uh but like who then would take the job?

Anybody else. Okay. And so, you would be mad at that person, too. Well, I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's right that he stands there and smirkly takes the pen.

Okay. from Mumdani. Smirkly takes the pen. All right, so he smirkly took the pen from Mumdani. And why did it Why was it even passed to him? It was first passed to the woman. Which was odd.

Because she was standing next to Mumdani. Okay, then she should have kept the pen, I guess, and not given it to the guy that supports Al-Qaeda terrorism.

He doesn't support it. He's a [ __ ] defense lawyer. He defended it. That's the correct word. He defended it. How would you feel about somebody who lied about 9/11? Lied about what they were doing on the day to make it seem like they were there.

I already know where you're going, and I've already researched that. Okay. Well, let's watch the clip. So, this is my clip. Strangely, our clips are actually juxtaposing pretty nicely here. So, you've got a problem with Mumdani has this lawyer who represented an Al-Qaeda guy, but he gave him a pen. You're pissed about that.

Yes. Okay. Let's see how mad you get about this. Okay. For 9 months, rescue and recovery crews worked day and night on the site. I wanted to just thank my people. I took a lot of my I was building a big building in New York, and I took the whole crew down there right after this happened, and they were They had no hesitation. Everybody went down with me. We went down as a big group of people. Wasn't too much we could do, I'll be honest. It was It was raw. Nobody's seen anything like it, ever.

Okay. So, that's him just a a day ago giving the speech about what he was doing on 9/11. He was there at ground zero, firefighters were lifting him up and running out with him. All of that is lies. He was not there. He was not in New York on 9/11.

That tape, I researched it. I Googled it. They said that that was cut and pasted and he was speaking about that steel s t e e l building.

Okay. Which he did go to the bottom of that and that's where those firefighters were that told him to get back and lifted him out of that.

Uh-huh. I have it right here. I was going to show Gosh darn it, I should have shown you my clip that said the difference of that. It's right here. And that's how I found it today. It said that the clip that you just showed me was cut and pasted

Mhm. all the way together and that what Trump was talking about was the steel building, s t e e l. I can't say that word, steel.

Okay. Well, I have got contrary evidence. I don't know how we resolve this. Um President Donald Trump recounted his response. Huh? I almost gave you that clip that says how it was cut and pasted. Darn it, I should have.

All right. Well, so there are Everything I'm reading is saying he's lying about this and he was not there. Okay. Well, I guess this is a Newsmax versus the rest of the world kind of thing here.

Okay. It was an Instagram clip that I got. PolitiFact previously found no evidence that Trump brought hundreds of workers to the site, and other fact-checkers have similarly found the evidence lacking. Trump World Tower was under development in 2001 in Midtown, Manhattan, about 5 mi from the World Trade Center. When asked for more information about how much time spent how much time Trump spent at ground zero and how many workers he brought, the White House referred PolitiFact to the Trump Organization. The Trump Organization didn't return a request for comment.

The earliest video or photo of Trump near ground zero is from September 13th. Okay. 2001. That's 2 days after September 11th. He gave an interview to a German TV station spoke with the press on other occasions. He said he had workers aiding in recovery. Um in another September 13th interview, he said 100 men from his company were working at the site and he was there to spur them on.

Like I said, the clip is right here, but I know I can't show it. What this clip says is that was cut and pasted and what he was talking about was the big the steel building that never fell.

Okay. What does cut and pasted mean to you? Like they took words out of context, whatever. You saw the whole clip. There was no edit in it. That's just him talking for a minute.

That's not what how was it out of context? That it was not about ground zero. It was about the other building. Uh-huh. Okay. Good good dodging of that one, I guess. Um let's move on. Uh you have one more clip, I think, and then I've got two more. Okay. Here's your third and final clip that you sent me.

Okay. You ready? Mhm. Now, I want to talk about Momdani, the petition you and many others have signed. I don't want you there. We've asked you nicely not to come. You stood with people who have said that my dad deserved it and justified it and minimized it. Are you kidding me?

My mom took me to school cuz my dad had gone to work. So then um I saw my dad's plane get hit at 9:03.

The building he was in. Yeah. I want to [music] play the audio that you were so gracious to allow to share with me. This is your father calling your mother.

Chris, Joe, there was a plane that hit World Trade Center number one. It's coming towards me. I'm okay. I'm on the 94th floor. I just saw some guy just jump out.

And he didn't show up to the Met Gala. He didn't [music] show up to the Israeli Day parade. He didn't show up to the 1993 ceremonies.

He's taunting you. I know and it's annoying. He's traumatizing you all over again. We just don't understand. We don't want him there. I don't know how much clearer we can make this. Like we don't want you to stand with us.

Watch the full video on my YouTube. Okay. So that woman is claiming that Mondani is taunting this woman whose dad died in 9/11.

That girl's father died in 9/11. Uh-huh. There is a petition with like I want to say 800, 900,000 signatures that they do not want him there.

Okay. And they're asking him not to come. Okay. Because they feel that he is not supporting them. Right. I mean, it's absurd obviously. Um the woman who's doing that podcast is using this as some kind of a clickbait thing to be like Mondani is a [ __ ] terrorist. This all is like racism. You can see that, right?

No, I can't see that and I'm a bit confused why they keep saying the man that I thought was my friend Mr. [ __ ] saying the comment about America deserved it.

Uh-huh. Have you heard that? I haven't looked into it. Let me see what the exact comment is. Um I have it here. And he's always standing there with him.

Yeah, he supports Mondaire. As do I. He made a controversial statement during a 2019 Twitch live stream stating that America deserved 9/11 while discussing US foreign policy. And then let's see, did he

I hope he didn't say that and really mean it. And then he apologized Good. Um almost immediately. Good. Good. He explained that he intended to discuss the concept of blowback arguing that aggressive US foreign policy and intervention in the Middle East contributed to the conditions that led to the attack rather than claiming the individual victims deserved to suffer. He later reiterated to Reuters that quote, "No one deserves to be a victim to a terror attack." and that he immediately apologized for using the word deserved.

Good. I'm glad. I'm glad. But this one thing that he said, which he apologized for immediately, now the right is using it as like evidence that he's a [ __ ] terrorist. He's a evil [ __ ] sinister guy and anybody that he's in proximity with oh, horrible pieces of [ __ ] including Mondaire. You still don't like Mondaire, right? You hate him.

No. I [snorts] don't hate him. I just don't like him. Okay. Do you remember when you predicted that if he won the uh mayoral election for New York that the city would fall?

Oh, there are people that want him gone, Chad. I see it every day in clubs. They are racist people. Um I don't see it that way, but

Okay. I know you don't, but that is what this is. So now in regard to his proximity to 9/11, you're you showed me a clip of this uh a daughter of a someone who died in 9/11 saying they don't want him there. Fine. I would argue this has to do with racism. Um now I'm going to play you another clip about Mamdani and what he is doing for 9/11 victims, families, etc. Okay?

Great. Here we go. We've lost three times as many people to 9/11-related illnesses as we did on 9/11. Three times as many, almost 10,000 people. There was poison in the air and on the ground and in the windowsills and in your air conditioners and it stayed there for months. Everyone knew. The city began covering their ass 3 weeks in. In a memo, the memo is entitled legislative alternatives to the fiscal responsibility for 9/11.

These people had to fight sick and dying for years. Administration after administration has ignored those calling for answers and clarity. Instead choosing to bury them in legal arguments and in red tape. We will do no such thing. These are documents that show what the city knew about the toxic air around ground zero, when they knew it, and how they acted to limit liability. They will help New Yorkers access the health care they need. Never forget is not just a platitude. It is something material to lead with the honesty and responsibility that have too long been lacking.

And to fight for those who were there, devoted to the city that they loved. Okay. So did you get any of that? Do you understand that?

Everyone knew that there was pollution the minute those buildings went down. Everyone did. Right. Okay. And Mumdani just released 170,000 secret documents that have been internal in the New York City governmental echelons for all those mayors that you just saw on pictures of there, Giuliani, Bloomberg, etc. They all knew about this and they created memos specifically designed to limit their financial liability. So, the all these funds that got set up by the city and some were federal as well to give money to the families, to the victims, to people who were affected by the dust near all this [ __ ] They came up with a plan to limit their

He is helping them do that. None of these other mayors have done that. Okay. But kudos, that is a great thing. That's one great thing he's done.

Right. So, how is this also stands beside people that defend ter- terrorists and I do believe he's not a socialist, he's more of a communist.

Why do you believe that? I some I just believe it. I believe he says one thing out of his mouth and does another.

What's a communist? We discussed this. I would like you to tell me now since you just accused him of being one. He's taking everybody's money away.

Okay, so I just played you a clip where he's giving more people money. He's not doing that. He's just Yeah, that's what these documents do. They they allow people like they basically have uncovered a conspiracy to withhold money from victims and families of victims of 9/11.

And who is they? Who is they? All of those mayors that he showed on screen in that clip. The prior city governments before Mom Donny came in.

Mhm. Giuliani, Bloomberg, what whatever other mayors and and city governments were installed in the time from 9/11 to Mom Donny basically. He has exposed these documents which are clear evidence that there was a conspiracy designed by these city governments to limit the amount of money they would pay to people. That that's literally what it was called. The the memo was whatever strategy to limit financial liability. That's literally what they called it.

So by exposing it, he's not going to make it easier for those people to access that money. He's giving them that money. I just can't believe someone else wouldn't have thrown this out in the open.

Right. Before this. Yeah, right. Why wouldn't they have? Because they were all corrupt pieces of [ __ ] And Giuliani as you know, best buddies with who? Donald Trump. He was in his [ __ ] cabinet.

Well, if what you're telling me is true, it's very good. I'm not telling you. Very What? I'm not the one telling you this. I just showed you a video of it. Are you denying what you have just seen?

No. Okay. So it's good. That's good. Yes. Okay. But does that change your mind about Mom Jones. No. Why? Oh, let's see. Healthcare for all, he says universal healthcare. His wife is a doctor, she won't accept Medicare or Medicaid.

Who Hang on a minute. You say universal healthcare for all. You want that, too. Yes. Okay. Yes, but his wife's not doing that.

Okay. So? People that you're married to this weird thing where you're like, he gave a pen to this guy and this guy did some bad [ __ ] He wants universal healthcare for all, but his wife won't accept certain health insurances.

That any of this have to do with him? The symbol the symbolism of him saying pass the pen to the man that defended

Okay. Al-Qaeda people Mhm. That's why the survivors and the family don't want him there. They do not want that mayor there. They don't think he's on their side.

You're talking about the symbolism of him passing a pen. Yes. What do you think is the symbolism of, let's say, Donald Trump accepting a $400 million Qatari private jet?

Oh, or what what aboutisms on your side now? No, [laughter] it's not what aboutisms. I'm saying you select certain battles or certain like lines of attack on whoever you perceive to be the enemy of MAGA. In this case, it's Mondaire Jones. So, you're saying he did this symbolic act of handing the pen to this guy. Oh my god. But you won't apply that same logic or that same scrutiny to anything Donald Trump does, including accepting a $400 million jet from a country that obviously has loaded that plane with listening devices. It's not safe. They had to retrofit it for another $100 million, and he plans on keeping that jet when he

I don't know. Think about it. Tell me. Accepting a gift. A $400 million gift Mhm. from a Middle Eastern country that potentially has ties to terrorism. And you're pissed cuz Ilhan Omar gave a lawyer a pen.

I'm not the only one mad about that. There's a lot of people I am not suggesting that you are. I know there's a lot of people mad about it. But, this is again racism and MAGA and the right just want to find any little thing they can about Ilhan Omar or anybody that's a perceived Democrat.

racism. I call it rightism. To not associate to not associate Uh-huh. with Al-Qaeda and bad people. I know you're going to say this is whataboutism, but like Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

Yes, and when he knew he was bad he didn't go with go to anywhere that that guy was associated with anymore. That's 100% wrong. We've talked about it on the show. Trump lied about the timeline of when he severed his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. There are documents in the Epstein files that prove it. They were communicating with each other well after Trump said that I never talked to that guy again for years. So, he lied about that. Not only was he in contact with him and and still friendly with him, he lied about it because he knows how bad that would look.

So, what you just said is wrong. Okay. Does that alter the way you think about it? I don't think what I said, well, maybe what you're saying I did say it wrong, but I truly believe he was turning in information on him.

Okay, so now you've taken the second step back. You say no, he severed his relationship before he knew about any of the bad [ __ ] he was doing. I then tell you no, I have shown you proof that that is incorrect.

Right. So, if I say you're wrong, you're calling me a liar. Yeah. No, you then say, well, okay, fine, that's okay. What you said is right, but he was an FBI informant. He was giving secret information to the FBI about him. So, now when I say that's not true, you'll have somebody, well, he was in the Epstein files 10,000 times, but it was only for business stuff. You just keep moving the goalpost when you're presented with information that contradicts whatever you believe is the story around whatever the specific issue is. Um with Trump and Epstein, you you move the goalpost quite frequently.

Sorry. [laughter] Sorry. Um I have one more clip here. This is also Mondaire Jones. Now, this is in regard to how you said New York City would in quotes fall if he was elected mayor. He has now been mayor for 9 months. The city has not fallen. And in fact, quite the opposite. Check out this clip.

Over the past 6 months, New York City has experienced the safest start to any year on record. The data reflects what New Yorkers are feeling on our subways, on our streets, and across the five boroughs. Our whole of government approach to public safety is working. Major crime is down nearly 6% citywide. Since January, we have seen the fewest murders, fewest shooting incidents, and fewest shooting victims in New York City's recorded history. That equates to 122 murders, a 24.7% drop from last year, and the lowest level ever recorded. 322 shooting incidents, 15 fewer than last year's record low, and 381 shooting victims, 4% less than last

year. Okay. I'm sorry. I was kind of laughing and giggling because in my mind it went to and it shouldn't have cuz it was very sad. The bank VP, the woman, I think it was I don't know what bank it was. She was just shot and killed in New York a week ago.

Mhm. Then there was a crazy kookoo that they had to take down. Okay. That did something else. He didn't say zero. He didn't say it wasn't happening. He said there were 122 murders at least in the first 6 months. That's not zero. But he is saying these statistics mean they are having record low crime rates since he has become mayor.

Well, there should be none. What city has none? in the news every day being killed in New York. So wait a minute. Hang on a minute. Just to get this straight.

Mhm. Mumdani has a record low violent crime rate in New York City and you're saying that's bad. I'm not saying that's bad. Okay.

I'm saying on TV I see people being killed in New York. Right. Because you're watching Mhm. Mom, this is because you're watching Newsmax and they are showing you things to make you think New York City is under attack in disarray, that Mumdani is horrible and the truth is what I'm showing you, record low crime rates. Hello.

real quick. I'm googling to what I'm saying and have a conversation? heard what you said that you're saying it was all low crime rate, but I got to Google something to see if I'm right.

Okay. Okay. Yes, okay. Recent New York City killing, a Bank of America vice president, Ana I can't say her name correctly, Pacenta was stabbed to death in New York Times Square on September 1 of 2026. Reports say the attack was random. The The suspect was a lady who they had to fatally shoot. Police shot her down.

Okay. She was coming at the officers with knives and guns. Okay. And it also injured another person. Okay. So that was 8 days ago in New York.

Okay. So when he was saying all that I went to my head with that that some poor lady got shot. I understand, but your one piece of anecdotal evidence does not outweigh the statistical evidence he just presented. He's not saying no one's getting killed in New York. He's saying fewer people are getting killed in New York than ever in recorded history of crime rates in New York.

Yeah. Let's see how many murders we've had in DC in the first 6 months of this year. Not very many, I bet. Because don't they have the National Guard there?

73 homicides. So not zero. Okay. So I guess that means they're doing a bad job in DC, too, huh? Everybody's doing a bad job if people are getting murdered.

Of course, but you're you're just completely discounting the evidence I'm showing you which contradicts your idea that Mumdani is this horrible terrorist who's stealing people's money and killing people and the city's going to fall.

it contradicts what I see on TV. But you're watching Newsmax. That's what I'm telling you. And I I just saw that poor lady get killed and I knew she was a bank executive.

but when you're watching Newsmax, I don't know if you're aware of this. Newsmax is not just saying, "Whoop, here's the news. Here's what's happening around the world. Look at this." They are looking through all the stories that are happening in the world, and they the editors, the people who control Newsmax, the producers, whatever, they are actively looking for stories that appeal to MAGA base. So, they are saying, "Ah, here's a story about a woman who got stabbed in Times Square under Mondaire's watch. Play that one."

that anywhere on your feed? Did you see that that lady was murdered anywhere on your feed? Yeah, it was national news. I'm I'm I'm not discounting that it happened, and it's obviously tragic and horrible. I'm against all murders. As are, I think, most of us. But I'm saying that it doesn't one person getting killed does not overturn what Mondaire said in that clip, which is New York is the safest it's ever been.

Statistically speaking. But you somehow are still ignoring that or discounting it. I'm discounting it for now. I'm just not believing it. Cuz I don't see that in my newsfeed.

Yes, you do. That This is another thing that you're not understanding. One person getting murdered doesn't invalidate an all-time record low violent crime rate. He said 122 people got killed in the first 6 months.

Okay. I For all those people, clearly New York is still a very violent place. But statistically speaking, that's fewer murders than have ever happened in the first 6-month period of any given year in New York City. So, he's made the city better and safer, but you still don't believe that.

So you say. Well, I don't understand why you don't believe that. Because that's not what I see in the news. That's not what I see.

I just showed it to you. And what what was that clip like from where? It was a press conference he was giving. Exactly. Mhm.

Do you want me to read it? No. No. From some other source? I mean, that clip specifically was from Fox News Live. Okay. Okay.

So, I mean, I guess I'm getting at like do you just anything Mondoni says, you just believe it's a lie? Not everything, but some of it I do.

Including his stats that he's giving you. They're hardcore mathematical statistics that can be verified easily. Okay. I'll have to verify. But you're not ever going to verify, obviously. Um you don't do the research.

on that. I'm looking. I'm looking tonight on that. I can look for you right now. I can Let me just um No. No. Because where you look, you look different.

No? What's what um What do you want it from? nyc.gov? Do you want it from ABC 7 New York? Like all of these stats that he mentioned can be found basically anywhere that you deem viable. Probably not Newsmax, though.

Yeah, probably not. How about Ground News? Would it be on Ground News? Yeah, of course. You can use your app. But I just want to touch on this point, like the clips that we played today were very interesting to me because it really illustrates like how your perception of Mumdani is skewed because of racism, because of how Newsmax presents everything about him. Uh and the fact that like these little things, like giving a pin to this guy who's a lawyer that represented an Al-Qaeda person, that to you, as you said, symbolically is is like unforgivable.

What do you mean? Symbolically. Trump is in the Epstein files more than any other person. Right. That mean is meaningless to you? It shows me nothing that he was a pedophile or did anything bad.

Okay. How about our DOJ, Todd Blanche, his personal attorney, is today refusing to help European criminal enforcement agencies investigate anyone in the Epstein files. There are a bunch of places in Europe that are investigating various people who came out in the Epstein files for all kinds of crimes. Our DOJ is refusing to help them.

I know. It seems like it started out like really hot and heavy, and now you barely hear about it. I will say that.

Uh it depends on where you're getting your news, I guess. I mean, this is news today that's breaking that Todd Blanche is like, "Oh, you guys are investigating people in the Epstein files? [ __ ] you, I'm not helping."

I didn't hear that. Why would our DOJ not help? Don't know. Think about it. Why? They're going to uncover some names, and it's not going to be Trump. It's going to be other people that they don't want to uncover.

Why would our DOJ care about that? Blackmail. What blackmail? Against other people. What people? I do not know. I don't know names. I know, but you're going down You're making some weird fiction here in your head that doesn't make any sense. It's not tied together with anything. So, you're saying our DOJ doesn't want to

I've always felt there's people way bigger than Trump in there. Way bigger. Maybe. Who Who are the people bigger than Trump that you think are in there?

People all over all over the world. Okay. Why is our DOJ the European agencies are doing investigations. They are trying to find a criminal cause to indict people, to hold them accountable in courts of law. Why won't we do that?

I That's what I do not know. Think about it. I'm thinking. Okay. The person who makes that decision is Todd Blanche. Yes. Who already has decided to prosecute no one here in America that's in the Epstein files, who has already decided to not release half of the Epstein files, 3 million documents. And now other countries, our allies, are saying, "We read the the same Epstein files you guys put out. Here's all the names of [ __ ] that we're investigating. We need your help to get certain American bank records, whatever, any kind of documentation or evidence they might need to get that America possesses. They need our help

sharing that information." Todd Blanche is saying, "Go [ __ ] yourself. You get nothing." He's protecting the people they're investigating. Yeah, that's not right.

Why? Somebody is putting pressure on somebody. Who? I'm not saying who you think. I'm not I don't think it's that. pressure on Todd Blanche?

Maybe. I don't know. Who is putting pressure on Todd Blanche? Maybe Trump because it's someone above him says if you let my name out, I'm coming after you.

Okay. I'll leave it I don't think that's accurate, but let's go down that path. Okay. So now you're saying Trump as a president is not in control. That someone else is controlling him.

Well, they've already said they're going to kill him, his wife, his son, his daughter. you that's Iran. So you think Iran is controlling Trump to not release the Epstein files or or prosecute anybody?

I don't know. It could be. It could be someone above them. I do believe it. So hang on. You think it's Iran. Could be.

So you think Iran the regime that he now has wiped out cuz that's when the Epstein files were released with the old regime that he's now supposedly killed. That old regime said, "Don't prosecute us in the Epstein files." And he said, "Okay, got you. Won't do that. But I will start a war with you and kill you."

I I really don't know. in any way? No. No, it doesn't. And I don't think it was Iran. I think it was maybe Israel.

Okay. So you believe Israel controls our president. Someone above him is saying don't do it or we're going to kill you. That's what I think.

Okay. Who? I don't know, Chad. But Okay, fine. You don't know. We have a president in Donald Trump then in your mind who does is not under control of our country.

He is control of our country. He just doesn't want to be killed or his family members. He doesn't control our country. We are being asked by our allies to provide evidence, credible support to their investigations of people who are criminally implicated in the Epstein files, and we're saying no. That's Trump's decision. So, he's not in control here. If he cannot help other countries investigate one of the biggest criminal conspiracies in my lifetime, how much control does he have?

I don't know. There are two options here, and you're kind of hitting on both of them. One of them, I think you're afraid to look at. But, one you're saying is Trump is not in control. He is a president that cannot make his own decisions, that someone higher than him, whoever it is, a foreign government, another billionaire, whoever it may be, is the actual person in control of our country.

No, I think he's I think Trump is, but he's being blackmailed. That means he's not in control. How can he be in control and yet not be able to prosecute people in the Epstein files?

I don't know. He's afraid. He's afraid for his life. I'm not asking why. I'm asking you're you are both saying he has no control and he's in control. It can't be both.

He is in control. But, he's not. You're claiming someone is controlling him. pressure on him, I do believe. Yes. And that pressure is effective in getting him to change his behaviors or decision-making. Right?

Right. So, he's not in control. Oh my goodness. You're hitting me hard. not hitting you hard, and don't on my goodness me. I want you to think about this, because you get stuck in this little logic circle where you're like, well, Trump is the one making the decisions on the Epstein files, and you never go to the second step of like, okay, if that's true, who is making the decision? We now get there and you think it's some nebulous other power, other figure above him that's putting pressure on him.

Yeah, I'm not happy with any of that. That it's not being released. But if that's true, then he's not in control of at least the Epstein files. What else is he not in control over? If somebody has blackmail on him, what do you think that blackmail is?

Safety of his family. I would probably do anything for the safety of my family. Okay, but that's a recent thing. The the supposed Iran threats to his family, that's very recent. That's since the Iran war started. It's really the thing last month or so. The Epstein files being hidden, not prosecuting people, that's been going on for a long time, months.

Yes. Yeah. So people were exerting pressure on him even before the war with Iran? I guess so, yes. Okay. To withhold the Epstein files because they are in the files.

Correct. Why would Trump care about that if he's not in the files in any credible way? Because they're saying if you release my name,

Uh-huh. I'm coming after your family. Maybe. No, Iran Iran said that very recently. We've got no news Right. Yeah. But that's something that's never been reported on and is not accurate.

I know you think he's not releasing them because his name is in there with bad stuff. I don't I do not believe that. I've never

is already in there with bad stuff that has been released. The [ __ ] that has not been released I think is much worse.

Okay. Why do you think Todd Blanche isn't prosecuting or helping these other countries prosecute? Yeah, that makes no sense. I have no idea. That doesn't

Is he being blackmailed? Is he being threatened? Don't know. Think about it. What makes the most sense here? The most sense was this would have been released long ago when Biden had his hands on it.

Okay. Well, it was under active investigation, so they couldn't release it then. And if it was really true, don't you think all the Democrats would have spewed all this long before Trump even got back into office?

Look, I think Democrats are stupid. I I don't think anybody currently in office should be in office in the next election. They have They have presented us with the scenario in which we live now. And they are doing nothing about it. There's nothing being done about Trump's open corruption. There's nothing being done about the war in Iran. They're doing nothing. I hate all the [ __ ] Democrats currently in office. So, and most of them were in office with the Epstein files, too.

You and Haley You and Haley are trying to do my voice. Yeah. The bigger question is still on the Epstein files, why have they all not been released and why have we prosecuted no one when multiple other countries are?

Somebody is hiding something. We all know it. It's not good. Right. And who could be hiding something? It's Trump. I don't know how you don't see that. He installed Todd Blanche as the head of the DOJ. That's his personal criminal defense attorney.

Maybe it's the whole government, everybody. Who knows? Somebody's hiding something. Right, but why would Donald Trump care about anyone else? He has never exhibited that quality. He's a very selfish narcissist. That's That's all he's done. The entire I mean, when he's talking about that 9/11 [ __ ] in that clip we we played, that's him just trying to make it sound like he was there and oh my god, I was there with the fire He's just [ __ ] lying to try and make himself look bigger and better.

No, that was the other building he was talking about the steel building. But I think you would agree he is a selfish narcissist.

I'm not going to agree to that. On a lighter note and moving on, I have made a phone call. I'm So now that I'm I'm the second part of the show, um I made a phone call to my county election people and Dad and I will have our absentee ballots mailed. Mine, because I'm upright, I can go have mine notarized. Your father has to have two witnesses on the ballot on the ballot itself. So, we will be able to vote in the midterms in 2026.

Have you looked into any of the candidates yet? I have looked into a few. There's a big long list. I'm going to read.

Okay. I think on some Wednesday episode in the next few weeks you and I should go through all the Oklahoma candidates and their positions and we'll just see where you land.

That would be fun. Yeah, I think it could be interesting. All right, well, um I guess you still hate Mumdani? Yes. Okay, cool.

[snorts] Mission not accomplished. Thank you for joining us uh for this midweek episode. We will be back on Sunday with a regular episode and maybe Friday with something interesting. Maybe.

We'll see. We have something booked. We'll see if it happens. We miss Haley. I love you, Chad. I love you, Haley. I love you, Bob. And Haley, be safe making those [ __ ] Trump cookies. Please be safe. My God. I don't agree with it.

What kind of cookies are they? love you. What kind of cookies? [ __ ] Trump cookies. What was the phrase she put on them?

I'm not going to say that again. That's funny. You're so funny. It was I love Donald Trump cookies. That's what it was. I think I'll be able to cut that clip and just repeat it. I may make like a minute-long string of you just going [ __ ] Trump, [ __ ] Trump, [ __ ] Trump, [ __ ] Trump.

I should have never said it cuz I knew what you were going to do cuz you're the Oh, and I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

You're the editing genius. You sure are. Haley, be safe. All right. Well, uh are good, but put something better on there, please. Um I love you too, Mom. I love Dad, wherever I know where he is. He's out in the living room in his hospital [laughter] bed watching Newsmax. I love you too, Haley. Good luck on the cookies. I say make more [ __ ] Trump cookies. Keep those ovens going until they break.

That's mean. I wished I wished I could go to Dallas, but I can't. I would be there. Jewels and I would be there.

Mhm. Yes, we would. All right. Well, thanks for joining us. We'll be back, like I said, on Sunday if not Friday. We'll see.

Okay. Bye. Bye.