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In the aftermath of the 2024 election, America is even more divided than before. Half the country fears the end of democracy, and the other half welcomes it. As America inches toward the brink of authoritarian rule, now more than ever, we must force ourselves to have the necessary conversation. Welcome to the necessary conversation. Today, joining me, I have my sister, Haley Pope, fellow lefty. I have my QAnon MAGA conspiracy theorist cult member parents Bob and Mary Lou with us and we have a very special guest. She defeated Republican incumbent Amanda Batton to win a seat in the Virginia House of Delegates in the 2025 election flipping the 71st district of the Dem for the Democratic Party. Please welcome Virginia delegate Jessica Anderson. Thank you very much. >> Hey Jessica, >> congrats. >> Thank you. >> Congrats on the victory. hard fought uh fight there. Yeah. Yeah. >> Jessica, if I may, you reached out to me and said you wanted to come on this show and so I'm very curious if I may ask you, what was it about our show that made you send that email? >> Yeah. So, I've been watching y'all for a while. Um, uh, full transparency, your parents are very similar to my parents. >> Um, and I actually think I might be the same age as Haley. I have three daughters. My oldest is 21, my youngest is 14. I'm 44. Me, too. >> I got married. Yes. 81 babies. Yes. Um, so I got married pretty young, age 20. Had my first daughter at 22. Um, but yeah, my stepdad um is is pretty far right on the MAGA sphere. And unfortunately, we don't have a lot of conversations anymore these days. My mom, however, while is still Republican, voted for Trump all three times, uh we are still incredibly close. I love my mama. and um we have a lot of conversations and I've actually moved her on a few issues over the years. We have a like a bi-weekly coffee date and uh we always end up talking politics whether we like it or not. Um so yeah, I just feel um I feel like I relate a lot to what y'all do and I appreciate it. I know you guys get a variety of comments [laughter] and and uh and push back or support for what you're trying to do. Yeah. Um, so, so speaking as someone who's kind of living in that same world, um, I applaud you because, you know, like I said, I love my mom. My mom would give and I and I I see Mary Lou the same way. My mom would give her shirt off her back to anyone. Um, but there are elements of the way she sees things that are heavily influenced by my stepdad and just her environment a majority of the time that I don't get to be a part of. Um, that makes it really hard for her to see where I come from on a lot of issues. I'm a former Republican too also. So this was >> a pretty significant shift for me. >> Yeah. >> Um I was a Southern Baptist uh attendee. Uh s taught Sunday school, Aana's leader, sang in the choir. Um raised my children in that environment. Um and then after my divorce, uh significantly saw a shift in the way my church treated me. um and then had to navigate social safety nets personally which was a very eye- openening experience and really changed my perspective on some of the elements that I was more right leaning on. >> Interesting. And so that experience turned you completely to the other side of the aisle. >> Correct. >> And I assume also maybe spurred you to run for public office. >> It did. Yeah. Yeah. I started talking politics online and it really took off. I went from 20,000 followers on TikTok to over 600,000 people. >> Yeah. How many people are in your district? >> Just over 72,000. >> How many people in your district? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Just over 72,000 voters. >> Did you hear that? How many did you get? >> Um this girl ran. >> Yes, I got um so I actually ran twice. I ran in 23 against the same um incumbent and I lost by 667 votes. I had no uh funding. I wasn't actually seen as a competitive race even though I knew I was. Um knocked over 6,000 doors. >> Uh sucked it up and ran again in 2025. Knocked over I knocked 7,03 doors in 2025. Was heavily supported by the state party and I won by almost 3,000 votes. So six and a half%. Um yeah, so significant shift uh from 23 >> um you know built name recognition my first go around and then you know I've lived in this area too forever. I'm a lifelong Virginia grew up next door in Newport News but I've lived in the district for 25 years. So I have very deep roots in this community. >> Can I want to ask you before we get into all of our topics and stuff by the way for everyone listening and watching we're not going to have a listener question today because I opened our email inbox and it was just all war with Iran questions. That is obviously going to be our first topic. We're going to cover it pretty in depth, I think. So, before we get to that though, I want to ask you this question, Jessica. Um, you obviously work in politics, you work with Republicans in the House of Delegates. What is it like in that environment uh for those Republicans like behind closed doors? Do they all acknowledge or do any of them acknowledge that Trump is insane, ruining the country, but then publicly they have to, you know, vote along party lines? Trump's not insane. >> Okay. Sorry, Dad. You're you're insane. >> Okay. Um I I am still in the process. This is obviously my first term, and we do a 60-day session. We are very fast here in Virginia. Very different than Texas, by the way. You guys take votes like every two years. We take over almost 3,000 votes in a single 60-day session. It's It's insane. Um but I I have befriended quite a few of my Republican colleagues on the other side. I got a few that hate me. Um [laughter] but uh it's all fun. I mean they have very large social media platforms like myself. So there is this uh dichotomy of us kind of competing in the online space and then again in in the uh world of politics and on in real life. But um I will tell you the few that I've gotten to actually chat with, they do seem to be very turned off by the decisions that are coming out of this administration. >> Um I also will tell you that a majority of the votes we take are bipartisan. Um, we just passed a budget that, you know, while it got a lot of like heat and and, you know, uh, newsworthy media from the local and and even national news, as well as some of the other the politicians on the other side of the aisle, um, more than 50% of them voted yes for it at the end of the day. So, while they they may want to disparage elements of it and and and kind of, you know, do the whole rage baiting that I think is pretty common place in politics nowadays, they still recognize that we did a lot of good in this budget. We also did not raise taxes despite them trying to claim that's what we were going to do and we did not. So, um it is interesting and we are a lot um we get along a lot better. >> Um we lowered some um we basically really expanded our incentives around housing initiatives. Um we made sure we protected a lot of our programs with SNAP um EBT specifically CHIP Medicaid uh public education. So, we're trying, we really spent their time for the next two-year budget shoring up the cuts that we're seeing from the HR1 big beautiful bill. We are protecting our Virginiaians, making sure that we can sustain health care, we can sustain our healthcare facilities. That was a huge priority for us going in. Um, and that was a huge priority for our our new governor who also really want to expand supply of housing and bring the prices down. So, that was the big thing. >> What [clears throat] is your view on public education? Um, well, I work in public education, so I'm a front office secretary for a local elementary school. That's actually what I did before, uh, getting into this role for eight years. Um, I'm a big proponent of it. It's one of my top issues that I fought for and ran on, as well as workforce training and giving more access to that to our middle and high schoolers. Um, but I just feel like we need to have an equal playing. I don't I don't I don't think your zip code should dictate the quality of education you get. And unfortunately that is how it works. The state has a budget. It's based on a very antiquated uh funding formula and it puts a lot of the burden on localities. So if you have a poor locality, your schools are not going to look the same. So we have localities that are just not looking the way Northern Virginia looks in other locations. The technology they have, the class sizes are smaller, um you know, all of those things. So I really want to fight to change our funding formula at the state level so that we are all on a level playing field. I the funding is the main issue. I remember long ago I'm now out of teaching but I taught several years. I remember that uh grade level teachers would gripe because they would say we are having to teach to the tests >> because test base and the percentage of testing then if your school got a higher rating on this grading and that grading then you got more money. And I remember those teachers. I was not in a classroom. I was a PE teacher, but I remember those teachers stating it's terrible that they felt that they had to teach to pass those tests for the kids. You know, the kids could pass them. >> That has not changed unfortunately. Um really >> our funding is based on accreditation. Accreditation comes down from how our standardized testing play out as well as and even in the state of Virginia right now, attendance is tied to our accreditation which we as people that work in the school buildings have no control over. Um and that and that impacts funding. So yeah, to your point that has not changed. It's it's really it's really unfortunate. >> All right. Well, >> let's move on to our first topic, shall we? Um, once again, we have no question today from a listener, but if you want to send us one, you just uh send it in a one minute or shorter video format to see >> the necessary conversation podgmail.com where you're at. >> Okay. >> Uh, for those just listening, my dad has dawned his giant styrofoam cowboy hat that says make America great again. that was sent to him graciously by Hassan [ __ ] Our first topic is >> Thank you, Mr. Per. >> The war in Iran. Dad, are you okay? You good? >> Oh, I'm happy as hell. Iran's good. >> Hang on. Hang on. The first topic is the war in Iran. What? >> Yeah, that's our topic. I'll save my other two little diddies for next time. It's no big deal because it will take a while. So, I'll save them. >> Okay. >> It was about It was about Catholics. Remember how dad said Catholics don't read Bibles? I'll save that because people been on my rear end for that one. And then a republic and a dem democracy. I'll save that one, too. There you go. >> Okay. >> Our first topic is the war in Iran. Despite Trump's promises on the campaign trail to not start any new wars this week, Trump started a new war with Iran. The US and Israel launched coordinated large-scale strikes across Iran, hitting military and air defense sites, missile infrastructure, and leadership linked locations in and around Tran. The strikes have reportedly killed Iran Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Kamini as well as additional top Iranian leadership. They've also killed dozens of children at a girl's primary school. Iran responded with missile and drone attacks targeting locations in Israel and US bases across the region which have killed three US troops so far, at least at the as of the time of this recording. But Trump is okay with that. >> All we got to do to get even is kill 750,000 >> as I was saying. But Trump but Trump is okay with that. In a pre-recorded message, he said with that, "Dad, let me read this." In a pre-recorded message, >> in a pre-recorded message, he said, "The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost and we may have casual casualties. That often happens in war." Trump launched the war against Iran without notifying or seeking approval from Congress, which could make his actions illegal. >> Okay. Many people believe the war to be as a distraction from the Epstein files and from reporting that Trump is considering an executive order to postpone the upcoming midterm elections. >> Mom, why are we >> exonerated him? >> Okay, >> you know, Bill Clinton exonerated him. >> Yeah, we'll get to that. >> Mom, why are we at war with Iran? >> Because of the craziness and because uh they are killing their own people. They were getting ready to shoot a big missile at us. That's why >> they are very capable. >> We beat them to the punch. That's why >> they are killing their own people in the street. They are very close to a nuclear bomb. Chad and Haley, did you realize that Iran was our ally? That we were very tight with them long ago >> when the Iran was in charge of it. >> Do you realize that? >> And then they kicked him out. >> How long ago was that, do you think? >> And that's 1970s >> we turned not being >> a little while ago >> in 1979. >> Yeah. >> When they took you know they were4 >> they were allies with the Germans in World War II. >> If this was Kla Harris if this was Kla Harris doing this. >> Oh Kla Harris [ __ ] outraged. >> Let me get let me get into you and your little fifom of three or four women there that you like. You guys are just hypocrites. >> Combined combined those four women don't have an IQ of 50. >> That's Can I just Can I just ask a question real quick of of Mary Lou and Bob? Maybe. Um I know that in your introduction of this topic, you mentioned the school. Um I actually looked this up before I got on here. I just went the information. We are now at 150 death total of the students, a handful of teachers, but majority children. >> Jesus Christ. >> Girls, young girls. Um and then 60 to 95 estimated severely injured. Um I think that we can all agree that what happened in Venezuela, while we might not agree how it happened, it was pretty meticulous in its execution. I think obviously the killing of the Atollah and many leadership members of Iran um also very meticulous. Do you not feel like it's a little suspicious that they accidentally hit a a a young girl's school um when they've been able to be so you don't think that's that's suspicious at all? You >> you start flying missiles and drones and airplanes, people are going to get killed. And >> are pretty pretty precise? >> Watch put this where it belongs. The Republican Guard could lay down their arms and this [ __ ] would be over now. He told him, "If you don't do it, you're all going to die." So, they're all going to die. This is Do you remember when Donald Trump whatever whatever the the collateral damages? Tough [ __ ] >> Do you remember how Donald Trump ran an entire campaign spouting that he would not start any foreign wars? >> Well, you know what? He started this war to keep your ass from getting a nuke up the buzz. >> No, he's saying he's liberating them. I guess that's what I was asking about the school. like this was about liberation of the Iranian people. >> Schools are going to get hit. >> Our our military is being >> if they got a school next to the place where these guys are hiding, they're going to get hit. >> It wasn't next to it. It was it was actually pretty far from life. There are going to be kids getting killed. >> Okay, >> let me ask you this. Dad, >> you got to accept it because it's going to happen. >> Okay, Dad, you just kind of brushed over what Haley was saying there. Trump ran on a campaign promising he would start no new wars. He now just did it. Did he lie to you? >> No. He's going to finish up what should have been done by our country years and years and years ago. >> How many countries has he dropped bombs? >> Raping people. He's been killing kids and raping people for 47 years. >> Yeah, that's Donald Trump also. How many How many countries has he bombed at this point? >> I saw a graphic of it. More than any other president in modern history. said to those people is this is your time >> I think yeah >> this is your time for freedom >> he didn't bomb eight countries he >> he said hunker down this is your time for generation for a generation of freedom as they go along >> for freedom >> hunker down I'm going to get rid of the bad guys then you will take your country over and be free again >> so I guess >> we were allies I I didn't want him to go into Iran right now I didn't want a war none of us did father did I didn't I did not. And I said that on the podcast. >> Yeah. >> We were allies with this country way back in I wrote it down. 1979. At that time it was not the Shaw, was it? >> Uh Carter was president back then. >> The Shaw of Iran. >> They took um >> they kicked him out and then the took over. >> Hang on a minute. Hang on a minute. Hang on. Hang on. I have to stop you. people. >> I have to stop you because dad constantly uses the argument when we talk about anything that happened like let's say in Trump's first administration. That was 10 years ago. That don't mean [ __ ] Correct. >> And now you guys are dipping back 50 years. >> We're explaining to you how >> history has explain history to me, please. >> What took place? >> Please put on your Trump cowboy hat and explain history to me. >> It's all about distraction. It has nothing to do with liberating Iran. It is about distraction. It is about getting people to try to forget about the Epstein files because Donald Trump was raping children. It's about trying to trying to trying to eliminate our [ __ ] midterms. That is what this is about. And you guys are in a [ __ ] cult. So you're blind. >> We're in a [ __ ] cult. How about you? >> I totally disagree. I'm trying to give you a little bit of the history. Okay, mom. >> That brought us to this place >> in 1979. We were friends with this country. We were friends until they took 444 people hostage. 50 Americans. >> 64 hostage. >> 64 Americans. >> 444. >> They seized the embassy. They Yeah. They they took him for 440 days. >> Okay. >> 44 days. At that time, they drug them around and and said, "Look what we got. We got your people." That's when we turned against them. >> And Jimmy Carter was such a [ __ ] coward. He did nothing about >> did nothing. They were free later, but it was after 44 days. >> Okay. So, Trump has has basically said that this war is about two things. One is their nuclear program. >> We were in a nuclear deal with them that he pulled us out of. So, that's on him. >> A bad nuclear deal. They were already developing a new bomb, you dumbass. >> All right. >> Okay. And then the other thing is what he is describing as regime change. And he's basically saying, "We killed your leader. Now you rise up and take control. >> He's giving him freedom. Throw some [ __ ] nads and do something." >> Have you seen the people celebrating? >> Got to run around. >> And I've seen the people crying. >> Get your [ __ ] guns and go take over. >> It would be like, imagine if a a foreign country came in and killed Trump. It would be the same thing. You guys would be crying. Me and Haley would be celebrating. the country would probably be I don't know if it would actually be in worse shape. >> Well, first of all, that's not [laughter] that >> in reality that's I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm trying to get you to understand what it might be like to live in Iran right now. >> It's stupid for you to even make that analogy. >> Okay. All right. So, >> where did mom go? >> What? >> Why? >> I have no money. >> Okay. >> I'm back. I'm sorry, Chad. I'm paying back. >> I'm sorry, guest. I'm back. I want to ask you this. Mom and dad, you were Mom, you got to scoot into the frame a little bit. >> I'm sorry. >> Thank you very much. >> You were very big on the idea that Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize because he said he wanted it. Do you still think he should win it? >> Yeah, he's going to bring peace to the Middle East. You watch. >> Okay. Well, he's he's waging war in the Middle East. So, that's already off the table. >> You get war about two weeks and then you come back and kiss my ass. >> There was no congressional approval. Like this is literally [ __ ] criminal activity and they're blowing up children. >> Yes, it is. You have to have congressional approval per the Constitution to start a war. >> They they are ready to have a nuclear bomb to drop on us. Okay. But so we need to have >> Hang on. Jessica, you're saying something >> not to kill us off. >> Oh, your mic is off, Jessica. >> We cannot hear you. >> Oopsies. Uh >> oh. We're having some technical difficulties with Jessica. Mom and dad, as as Jessica is working this out, um >> now yes. >> Oh, that was so weird. I didn't change anything, please. Um I was just saying I'm just confused because I was told months like a month ago that he completely obliterated any chances of them building nuclear weaponry. Um I'm also >> And you were told that by him. He was the one who said that that he obliterated their nuclear program. >> Correct. Um, I also just want to highlight because I know you guys brought up the 1979 >> Iranian revolution. Um, I I don't think people maybe understand that prior to the revolution, the the uprising that occurred is because of our once again um basically messing with their government. So, >> well, no, no, no. 1953 we staged a coup with the British government and we basically overthrew their de democratically elected prime minister and installed one of our own and the people uprised because we meddled in their business. [snorts] >> It was I'm just saying >> yeah I'm I'm just highlighting that we have a history of going into other foreign nations and basically meddling in their government many of the times democratically elected governments. How many times have we been asked to do that by those people? Every goddamn one of them. >> We weren't asked for the 1953 coup. It was a CIA backed coup that was staged by the US British Intelligence Agency and the CIA here in the US. >> She's got more in the in the poop stack than they do. >> I'm just I'm just telling [laughter] you the history of how the Iranian revolution transpired. That's all I'm saying. There there was they were angry at the US and the British's involvement. You agree at one time they were our allies. We were >> they were our allies because we installed a leader against the people's wishes. So we overthrew they um it was Muhammad Moseday that was elected as their prime minister and in 1953 the CIA and the US British intelligence went in and overthrew their government and basically installed a different leader that made them happy and was aligning with the western ideals. But the problem is the Iranian people did not agree with that. So they overthrew the government 1979 in response time to get rid of them. >> But I do I do believe in in 1979 when they took all those people prisoners and held them for 444 days that was a big turning point. >> Well, yes, but I think I think the problem is we're we're pretending like this was a decision that was not the Iranian people's decision. This was a decision. this was quite literally them uprising as a people because they were upset by the installation of leadership that they didn't elect. So like I think >> make sure recognize us has a really bad history of meddling particularly in the Middle East um but even in like you know parts of the Americans um in people's governments and causing upheaval and destabilization and wartime and so like we're not we're not great at like solving issues we're great at making them. So, you don't like living in the United States? >> Oh, god. >> I mean, I'm born and raised in the United. >> You got a better You got a better place? >> Um, I mean, I think there's places that are um definitely prioritizing their people more than we are 100%. >> Dad, that that argument, Hang on a minute. That argument that you use is like one that you kind of constantly default to when you're faced with facts that you can't reconcile. You're like, "Well, then get out of America if you don't like it." >> I try to do his accent. It's a perfect impersonation. >> Get the hell out of here. >> I chose to run for it. >> Or they can or you can run for [ __ ] office and change it. >> Yeah. >> Correct. From the inside out. >> I don't like that you guys don't even want to hear the history. I mean, our guest knows a lot of it and was talking about it, but you and Haley just kind of sat there. And see, you weren't even born when dad and I saw this on TV with those prisoners that they had 50 of of it was 50 or some of our >> We've been sitting here listening to you talk about it for five minutes. What are you talking about? >> I know. But see, >> and you didn't hear a single word, >> right? >> But did you did you think the news in the United States would tell you things on the news that are going to speak to what the atrocities we did? The media is so left for >> I mean I think the media >> has been forever has been forever >> I think back in back in that time in >> I mean look at you you get your [ __ ] news in Virginia for God's sakes. >> What do you mean [laughter] >> you talk about you talk about a state that's so leftwing it's ridiculous. >> Do you think there do you think the internet exists in Virginia? Virginia. >> Virginia big time. >> Okay, enough. >> All right, the governor. >> Listen, I am the government. >> We We >> No, I didn't say government. I said governor. >> Okay, we have to move on. We are We are late in the show now. Let's move on to our second topic. >> Beaver over there in Virginia. >> I think back in 1979, TV was way different than it is now. >> Yes. How many >> there were three networks, no internet, no streaming services, no cable television. Yes, it was very different. I agree. >> Okay, that's all I wanted to say. >> Let's move on. Talk number two is the Clintons testified this week. This week, Bill and Hillary Clinton testified in a closed door session with the Republican >> with the Republican le house oversight committee. Hillary denied any knowledge of Epstein's crimes and said she had never met him. And Bill acknowledged past contact with Epste in the 1990s and early 2000s, but repeatedly insisted he saw quote nothing and did not know about Epste's criminal activities. Despite the Clintons requesting these hearings be held publicly. Republicans voted to hold the sessions in private. The Republicans subpoenaed the Clintons because photos and flight logs from the early 2000s appear in the unredacted Epstein files featuring Bill Clinton. Despite Trump appearing in many more documents in the Epstein files, the Republicans have no plans to subpoena Trump. After the hearings, the Republican members of the committee announced that the Clinton's testimony and the testimony of Epstein, Dad, you're going to like this. The testimony of Epstein victims has fully exonerated Trump. >> Okay, >> that's what he was trying to say. >> I already said that by five. And if you would ever read the document that I make, all you would see I was going to say it already and you wouldn't have to have uh interrupted us 200 times. >> So, he's been exonerated, but we still have 3 million files that we haven't gone through in addition to like three that they just [ __ ] deleted that had his name all over. >> Hold on a minute. You're saying three million files we haven't gone through yet. >> They've had the three million files. Some of them have been released. So, you're wrong about 3 million of them laying around. >> No, she's right. I'm not wrong. There were six million total files approximately. They've released three million of those, leaving three million still unreleased. And the thing you're talking about, Haley, we'll get to in our next topic. But the question I want to ask to everybody is Jessica, we'll start with you. Why didn't Why do you think the Republican >> Sorry, why do you think the Republicans would not allow these hearings to be held publicly? >> Um, I think because like they went on the news and said it exonerated Trump. I think they wanted to be able to say that without any push back of what was actually said in the meeting. And I only say that because the other members that were in the room clearly stated that it did not exonerate Trump. I also understand a survivor came forward and said they do not believe that these hearings have >> exated talking about the guy that wears the do-agg on its head. >> Uh no, I'm talking about uh >> No. Rep. Representative Stanberry came forward after the meeting. >> Oh god. stated that um this does not exonerate um Donald Trump. So like I think that he needs to be brought in and and also be you know put on blast and asked questions. I mean his name is in there what a million times now from what the redacted information we were told by legislators that got to go in and looks. I mean that's it's a pretty significant you know out of three million documents you got one million times your names mentioned. Um that seems like a good >> none proves a thing. >> I don't I don't even believe Clinton. I think he's [ __ ] lying. >> Oh, I don't either. I think Clinton's the worst. I've never liked Clinton. >> No, that mother that [ __ ] needs to be locked up. Donald Trump needs to be locked up. Hillary Clinton locked up. They all know Saw did. >> Okay, >> I agree. Wait, hang on. Hang on a minute. Dad, I want to ask you, why do you think the Republicans would not let these hearings be public? Will not let us, the American people, see them? >> Well, I think at the very beginning when all this started, they wanted them to be public and the Clintons [clears throat] said no. >> That's wrong. 100% wrong. The Clintons said we want it to be public and the Republicans said no. >> You know why? They're the best liars. Every time they're >> mint Bill Clinton lies. >> Who cares? Then let us see him lie. >> Sex sexual relations without. And as you say, all politicians lie. I'll give I'll throw you your Trump defense back in your face. All politicians lie. Who cares? That's fine. Now, what I'm asking you is why are these Republicans not letting us, the American people, see what they are saying in these hearings? >> The only reasons the Clintons did come in is because if they didn't, they would be held in contempt. And >> you're not answering the question. You're not answering the question. Why are the Republicans not letting us see this? >> I just answered. I >> They all know Trump. There's no reason to drag it out. Well, why wouldn't the Republicans want to >> You guys keep You guys keep going back to the Epstein files. We got That's right. We got more important things to worry about. >> No, we don't. >> Now we have Now we have a war that we didn't really [ __ ] need to deter us from thinking about these Epstein files. >> I'm still on the Epstein files. Thank you. >> So am I. Let's let Let me move on to topic number three, which is also the Epstein files. There's another piece of this. Let me just read this. Mom, >> talk about Hillary when real quick. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. >> She said she never encountered uh I'm gonna just call him E. Epstein. She never encountered him. Uh that she recalled except 17 times during her husband's administration. He came to the White House. >> I don't think that means she saw him though. I'll be honest. Melonia is never in the White House. We can also throw out how many times Donald Trump and >> somebody comes to your house 17 times. You going to tell me you never met him? >> How many times has Donald Trump been in the same room with Ebstein and Melania? How many [ __ ] times? Does that not matter? >> I wished Mr. E would have been at that wedding along with Max. >> Why are you ignoring what I'm talking about? >> What? Why is it such a big deal that they were in a room with Ebstein, but if Donald Trump and Melania are, it doesn't matter to you. >> The difference is Donald Trump Donald Trump didn't molest women, but Bill Clinton did. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. You should go to the next topic. >> Okay, speaking [laughter] of next topic is the DOJ cover up of Trump sexual assault. This week, multiple news outlets reported that the DOJ's releas >> this week. Multi Can you just let me read these things? I I I'm begging you. You always interrupt these and I don't understand why. >> Okay, he's ready. He's ready. >> This week, multiple news outlets reported that that that the DOJ's release of the massive Epstein file archive appears to be missing several >> He just can't do it. It appears to be missing several FBI interview summaries and notes that involve allegations of sexual assault against Trump. Investigative reporting from NPR and other outlets found that three out of four FBI interview summaries with a woman who accused Trump of sexual assault were not in the public database of released files. The missing records total more than 50 pages of interviews and notes related to those interviews. The allegations were made in 2019 by a woman interviewed by the FBI as part of their investigation into Jeffrey Epste and his associates who claimed that in the early 1980s she was a minor 13 to 15 years old in that range. She was sexually abused by Epstein and Trump, asserting that Trump forced her to per perform oral sex on him and then he physically assaulted her. The DOJ insists that it has released everything there is to release. Even though the Epstein Transparency Act, signed into law by Trump himself, requires the DOJ to release all Epstein files. At present, there are still 3 million total files yet to be released. Mom, why didn't the DOJ release 50 pages of sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump? I read I tried to research this. They were duplicates. They're looking into it and if they are duplicates, they're going to release the other ones that are not. That girl's allegations had not been verified and the FBI never brought charges related to those claims. There was a contradiction in regard to the year in the 1990s where she said she was brought to oh gosh, I can't find it. It was Hilton Head and uh Epstein's brother said during that time frame that that girl said that there's no way that he would have been there. >> Oh, Epstein's brother. Very credible. >> Okay. Well, believe Epstein's brother over a victim. >> It's no different than you. >> I have an Epstein file that I would really like to highlight in regards to this part and I and I'm going to tell uh you so you can write it down Martha. I don't know if you want to write it down and look at it when you have a chance. Okay. Um scratch if you know if you know the number. >> Yeah, it's it's EFTA and it's 0086 371. >> Okay. >> Um and I highlight this. So, it's from Allan, I'm sorry, it's from Steve Bear, B AER, >> to Allan Dur Dersowitz, which is the current uh gentleman that was I guess Trump's private attorney and now working, you know, under like the DOJ. Um, and copied on this email that you'll see from 2020 is Jim Jordan, Lindsey Graham, Ambassador Hank, I mean, Leonard Leo, Peter Teal, some pretty well-known players with the Republican party. And this was dated August 3rd, 2020, says Allan. Besides your defense work for Epstein and all enjoyers, Clinton, Wexner, Maxwell, Andrew, Trump, Dur, etc. of his hospitality. Did you clown have any clowns have any operational role in the apparent honeypot, blackmail ops? Don't you think now would be a good time to be reconciled with your maker? Glad to discuss. Shalom, Steve. And then it goes back and forth. So my my question I guess is we're highlighting the fact that the DOJ is being kind of caught hiding supposedly four pretty substantial um interviews of this woman and and they called it um I think the words they used was like it it had it looked like it had some merit to what she was claiming. Um, and in 2020, an email that was copied to current leaders, to current funders of politicians, that we have evidence existed, evidence it was sent accusing Trump being part of players with Epstein. Like, don't you think it's interesting that we haven't heard about this before now? Like, I I'm asking you because like at 2020, we're in the midst of COVID. We are dealing with the fact that Trump is still the president at the time. And this email got >> sh the DOJ was run was run by Democrats and Joe Biden for years and years and years and years. Why in the hell didn't they look it up then? >> Well, I I tell you why. Because the DOJ was corrupt as [ __ ] under the Democratic party. >> Well, I I will tell you though when Epste was first Yeah. Well, when Epste was first arrested for his initial, you know, where he got a like sweetheart deal, >> all of that, >> no credibility, >> right? time. Do you spend your time at work digging this stuff up instead of your job? >> Oh, no. I do a great job at my job. Um, but basically that was a state case. Even though Bush was the current president when it all went down, it was a state case. It never made it to federal. It was supposed to, but it never did. So, he got a sweetheart deal in the state of Florida, meaning that there was no documentation under Obama's administration that existed at the federal government with DOJ. nothing under um Trump's initial start in the DOJ like that didn't exist. This did not all come to fruition until he was found guilty because of this this now Trump file. I mean Epstein files shows deep details about how they found out, you know, did the investigation on him and came to conclusion that he was doing horrific things. And it was all done in 2018 into 2019 when Trump was president. And I just find it interesting that Bill Barr whose father employed Epste got fired >> but his dad was >> right. But his dad employed Epstein at a a a school with minors um and had >> he had no education to be a teacher. None. He was he was accused of being inappropriate with students and he was relinquished of his job. Next thing he is on the stock like trades and he's given these very large gains and we now know that Lex Wexner basically paid his way to get access to all of these rich millionaires, billionaires, politicians. I guess I'm just trying to say like all of this went down under Trump and when Biden entered the scene, there was an active investigation in Galain Maxwell and all the co-conspirators. Like there wasn't a really like you can't do that. Even Trump and Pam Bondi said in this administration, well, we're not going to release stuff that's under active investigation, alluding they were going to start investigations to hide some of the files. So even they are saying that under Biden's administration they couldn't legally let that stuff go because there was active investigation is what I'm trying to highlight. >> But but there's so many people that could have released it. >> But but hang on just just for a second you guys again this is your default argument. Well why didn't the Democrats release it? Doesn't matter. It's released now. Trump's all over it. Here's an email in this file that Jessica's talking about. And you have no answer for this. All you do is say, "Well, why didn't Biden release it?" >> Shut up. >> Let me shut up a minute. >> Listen to her. >> What they searched? The DOJ said if there's any omissions, if anything is wrong, they will be corrected. They will look into it. That's a lie. Especially with duplicates. That's a lie. >> Found that on the guardian.com. I found it on another DOJ duplicates of this. That's why that has not been released yet. Fine. That's what the DOJ is saying. That's a lie. We all saw Pam Bondi's hearing where she lied and deflected for however many hours she was up there. That's their job now. They lie for Donald Trump. That's the the whole point of the DOJ. >> I just gave you an answer. You want to accept it? That's my answer for now. I will not if he >> state of Virginia. Oh my god. >> I am not Jesus >> promoting >> a sexual predator. >> Okay. You are >> I have another email from Jeffrey that says before I call Trump. >> You are. >> There's another email that that after the date they're not supposed to be friends. It says before I call Trump. This is from Epstein to uh William Riley who is Sasha Riley's dad. Um before I call Trump with regard to Virginia Duys, are there any other alternatives? Like this is an Epstein file from the Justice Department where Sasha Riley who I know you guys know about which had just a >> his dad is getting an email from Jeffrey Epstein in 2011 when Trump is claiming they no longer have a relationship and he's saying hey before I call Trump about Virginia any alternatives I should know like that doesn't make you go why are they having a why why is Epstein telling Sasha Ricey's dad he's going to call Epstein to get their story straight about Virginia Duffrey? What file number is that? Because I didn't believe that that Sasha guy was in any of the files. >> He is um it is uh 018 67496. >> So you have you have >> I have two >> an elected government official right here giving you >> I have two files to >> elected in Virginia. >> I am a state. >> I like that you just sit here. Nice. >> Well, that all by itself disqualifies her credibility. >> I like that you sit here and your [ __ ] credibility is [ __ ] Newsmax. Okay. You don't look any of this [ __ ] up. She actually researches this [ __ ] >> right now about where she found it >> and it wasn't news. >> All right, hang on. Mom, we're getting very heated up. Mom, you have a couple of files to look up. >> Now, we've come to the point of the program where we have to simmer down a little bit. So, I'm going to ask everybody this question. It has nothing to do with politics. We'll start with our esteemed guest, Jessica. What is your perfect day? Please describe it. >> When I saw your question, everything in me wanted to go to Miss Congeniality. April 25th. It's not too hot, it's [laughter] not too cold. I'm not going to say that. Um, so my perfect day, um, I'm a runner. It would be waking up, uh, having a great cup of coffee, uh, going on a long run with my husband and my girlfriends who all run. um hanging in the hot tub afterwards for a solid 30 minutes and then read a good book and finish my day at one of our local beer halls that has great tacos with my kids and play board games. >> Okay, that's fantastic. Haley, perfect day. >> Look at her face. She has no perfect face. That's the problem >> being on the podcast. >> Um I don't [ __ ] know. Like what is a good day anymore? I don't know. >> I know. >> I wake up in [ __ ] duress. I would really have >> Yeah. I'm saying if you could eliminate that. This is a fictional world. You can do anything you want here. This theoretical in the matrix right now in [ __ ] reality. Okay. I actually think this is real. So I don't I don't know. Like when we travel, those are the best days of my [ __ ] life. We wake up at the crack of dawn. We go for a 10 mile hike up a goddamn mountain. We go eat a giant lunch and then we parasail or paraglide or [ __ ] white water raft. Like I'm high octane. I'm up at 5 and I'm not in bed until 1:00 a.m. >> Okay, >> that is that is how I like to live my life. >> All right, mom. Perfect day. >> Being in Noah's Ark with all the animals of the world around me >> and dad could walk in and that would be good, too. >> Dad in Noah's Ark. >> Any kind of animals. >> [laughter] >> any kind of animals and then dad can come into the art. [laughter] >> I love animals. >> We're not talking about an afterlife. >> I'm very sad right now. I don't have any animals in my life. Got to get me an animal. >> Dogs with a cat if you want me to loan you with something. >> All right. So, mom would be on nose or with dad. [laughter] >> Dad. What's your perfect game? [laughter] >> In today's world, when I wake up tomorrow morning, there's no Iran. >> Doesn't exist. >> It's not supposed to be political. >> Yeah. What about like what about you could return to your 25-year-old body with no hip replacements and go play baseball? >> Yeah, >> that doesn't appeal to you. >> Go through 40 years of [ __ ] again. >> Okay. My perfect day would be probably something to do with astral projection. Maybe like a 24-hour out-of- body experience where I can fly around the universe >> collecting cosmic information. [laughter] >> You're rolling your eyes at that, Dad. Mom said she wanted to be in [ __ ] Noah's arc. [laughter] >> No, that's what she said. >> Well, I guess we know where you get it from. >> Yeah, exactly. Me and mom will be on the [ __ ] ark [laughter] uh figuring [ __ ] out while while dad's celebrating the disappearance of a country. And Haley, you're eating a giant meal and paragliding. Okay, let's uh move on now. We got to get back into this. I'm going to go a little bit out of order because we're running short on time. I want to touch on the Pentagon and AI this week. Pete Hegsth >> What? Dad, >> I didn't say anything. >> No, that was me. I went uh >> Oh, sorry. [laughter] >> This week, Pete Hegsth gave AI company Anthrop Anthropic an ultimatum to let them use their AI systems without the usual guardrails in place for public safety or they would lose all of their government deals. Anthropic CEO refused to give unfettered access to his AI model, citing he did not want it to be used for mass domestic surveillance or fully autonomous weapons that can kill with no human oversight. So Trump posted that he was directing every federal agency to stop using Anthropics tech, writing, quote, immediately cease all use of anthropics technology. Hegs then designated Anthropic a supply chain risk, barring their products from any government use. Mom, do you understand how Trump and Hegsth want to use artificial intelligence? >> I was just going to say to you, I have no idea what you're talking about. >> Okay, so right now there are a couple of different kinds of like consumer grade AI that are available to all of us for 20 bucks a month roughly, whatever. You can make videos with it. You can make songs with it. You >> like Google, Gemini, chat GBTe. You do. >> Yeah. Gemini is a large language model similar to a chat GBT or Anthropic has one called Claude. So >> right >> what what it really is good at is sifting through vast amounts of data and uh people can essentially just query it to be like show me this, show me this, show me this. Right. >> So what Trump and Hegsth want to use it for is to surveil every human being, not even in America, on the planet to see everything you're doing online, to see everything you're doing on your phone. They can identify who you voted for, what age you are, all kinds of [ __ ] >> I don't like that. >> And Hegath also wants to use it in terms of military to kill people without having any human beings in the chain to make that decision. >> How would you use that to kill someone? Okay, for example, uh technology exists right now, which I think a lot of people don't know about. If you have three Wi-Fi routers in a given location, you can triangulate the exact position of any human being in any room. >> So, you can use that information. AI can look at it. You can identify this is the person we want to kill. There they are in that room. And a drone gets sent to blow them apart. Oh, >> so you insinuate that everybody, man, woman, and child, are going to have three routers in their house. >> Yeah, you have at least that many around you, >> you know. Why couldn't they help? >> I got one. >> Why couldn't they help? >> Yeah, but your neighbors have one and your other neighbors have one >> and the neighbor across the street has one. So on and so forth. I live in an apartment. I don't know how many are around me, >> you know. But it everybody in the connected world has at least three routers around them. >> It could be used for good. like Savannah Guthri's mom, right? >> You think Pete Hagsth is going to use AI for good? He changed the Department of Defense to the Department of War. He wants to kill people. He wants to use this to kill people. >> Did that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yank Smith didn't do that. Donald Trump did that. >> I'm personally very fearful of AI. I'm gonna be really honest. Um and all of us >> I agree. I mean, I think social media kind of opened the floodgates for that and and here we are. But um I will just say as someone who makes legislative policy around things like AI, um it should alarm you that the original HR1 version had a 10-year moratorum on AI changes for state and federal government, meaning they could make no stipulations or guard rails around AI. So I I say this to say that what's coming from Trump and HGTH right right now should alarm you because they weren't able to get that into federal law through the big beautiful bill because there were members of the Senate that weren't willing to budge on it and they took it out of the full but thing. But it's the fact that that was original um hope of this administration was to basically tell state and federal governments that they have no ability to um put any kind of stipulations or um anything on AI and letting it be just and now the fact that he is using the government as a weapon against the one AI agency that has really made safety and protocols around safety a priority and saying well if you don't strip these safeties and protocols out of the way like we're going to basically kill your business and that's what they're doing. Like that's really alarming because AI unchecked um can be detrimental to society. Um I mean obviously in a war >> like I mean and to his point like >> they and to your point about the the the accuracy that's kind of basically go back to the fact that we blew up a kid's school. >> Yeah. >> Knowing that our drone capacity and accuracy is second to none with Israel and the US. We are the largest military installations in the in the globe. Um I there's something deep inside me that very much thinks this was intentional to seow fear within the people there and to say that >> fall in line not necessarily with like overturning your government and um liberation but fall in line with the US and Israel or we will we will kill your people similar to what we see with having in Gaza. So, I I I personally feel like there was some pretty nefarious intent. Obviously, it's like I'm alleging this, but it just we are too good at what we do for us to make a mistake like that. >> The fact that we're in alliance with Israel is bad enough. It's bad enough. That's all you have to [ __ ] know. Okay. Netanyahu committing Netanyahu has been committing [ __ ] war crimes for how many years? The fact that they are our [ __ ] ally, that's terrifying. >> Uh, Mom, I I want to ask you this. Do you think that in terms of making decisions about who we kill militarily that a human being should be in that chain of decision-m >> like through AI? >> No. Let's say that we want to assassinate somebody, kill somebody, drop a bomb on somebody. Do you think a human being should be part of making that decision? >> It has always been >> correct. And now Hex Seth is trying to make that not the case. >> Yes. Okay. That's what they want to use AI for. They want an AI that they can ask basically find all the bad people or whoever's against them and kill them, enter, and then it just does it. >> I thought there's no human being in the process >> that it was the bombs that they were going to unleash the bomb and say go into that building. Boom. >> No. AI. No, they're they're going to >> AI would decide. >> Yes. Not only decide, it would control the apparatus that will do the actual strike. >> It's not good. >> Dad, are you okay with that? Having no human beings in the decision making process. >> That's not the way it is today. >> I know, but they're trying to change that. That's what this whole thing is about. >> Yeah. >> Hexath basically told this AI company, give me like an unlocked version of your AI that we can use to kill people. >> Yeah. The CEO of that company said no. So Hegs then said fine, [ __ ] you. We destroy your business. No one can use your product that has anything to do with the American government. >> Hello. >> Yeah. It's not good. It's not good. >> I don't think you guys understand what AI is uh at all. >> I kind of do. I chat. >> Dad definitely doesn't. Um All right. >> You know what I see funny now? I can kind of sometimes know if it's real or not. Like >> that's that's generative AI in terms of like video and and images and stuff and that has its own problems and people feel certain types of way about it. That [ __ ] to me isn't as big of a deal I guess propaganda wise. >> Uh, of course there are going to be images and videos that come out and you guys don't know if they're real. We don't know if they're real. It's getting better and better. >> I got the medbed. So >> yes, right. You guys thought the medbed was real. >> No, I knew it was not. Your father thought it was real and went. >> Okay, that kind of stuff's going to get better and better and it can be used to make propaganda obviously, but this is something completely different. They want to have an AI system that is essentially like an independent warmind that can just kill at will. And it's like once you turn that thing on, you think it's not going to come back against you. >> Yeah, it's not good. >> All right. [snorts] >> Did you see the movie Iroot? That's what it makes me think of. >> I mean, don't get me started on I Robot. Iroot is one of my favorite books of all time. That movie was a pile of [ __ ] No offense to anyone >> who wrote it, but um it had nothing to do with the book, unfortunately. >> And uh yeah, I I just have a bone to pick, I guess, with Hollywood generally is very anti-technology. Every movie they make is about technology is getting out of hand and it's going to kill us all. And it's like the technology isn't ever the thing that does the bad thing. It's the people using it. In every case, technology is just a tool. Speaking of the bad people, one more topic I think we have time to get to. We're talking about Ellison buying Warner Brothers. This week, Trump supporter Larry Ellison won the bid to acquire Warner Brothers Discovery in a deal valued at about $110 billion. This deal will give Ellison ownership of Warner Brothers Studios and their properties, including Harry Potter, DC Comics, Game of Thrones. It also gives him CNN. Many believe he's going to install Barry Weiss at CNN, who was installed at uh CBS, single-handedly dismantling CBS News, turning it into a completely irrelevant pile of [ __ ] Now, we think she's going to do the same job at CNN. He is also uh the owner of Discovery Networks and Paramount Networks. He already owns Tik Tok, making his proTrump media empire so vast that much of the media an average person consumes will now have decidedly proTrump bias. Um, Mom, do you think it's good that CNN is now going to be proTrump? >> I can't control any of that. I can't control the networks. >> I'm not asking you to. All the stuff we're talking about, we can't control any of it. I mean, we're just talking about it. >> Do you think that we deserve an unbiased view? Do we deserve real journalism? >> I think we do. Yes. >> Okay. >> So, this is terrible. It's all going to be skewed. It's all going to be propaganda. It's going to be nothing but maja all over TV, Tik Tok, all of your social media. That's unfair. It's We need an unbiased view. >> We need all different networks. Yes. But you guys are always pushing me to watch other things. So, >> yeah. >> Yes. >> I watch Newsmax because of you and dad. I watch it every day to see what they're saying, to see how they're saying it. >> Did you get me that script for the other place yet? >> I'm in emails now about getting that done. Yes, about ground news. >> Um >> the question here though is one guy is being given the ability to own all of this. More TV networks, more studios, now Tik Tok. This one family owns it all. They are massive Trump supporters, >> right? >> Do you think that is a problem? >> Why? [snorts] Probably. But why isn't there more supporters on the other side trying to buy on other networks to counterbalance? >> Probably should be asking why is there billionaires? >> Because yeah, these people [laughter] it's 110 billion dollars. >> Well, there aren't any Democrats that are billionaires. >> Yes, there are. >> Grow up. There are. But guess what? >> Oh, but they're all they're all good guys. >> Yes. In order to be able to make these deals, especially where broadcast television is concerned, >> you have to have the approval of an organization called the FCC, >> right? >> That's controlled by Trump. >> We'll see where this goes. I have no idea. >> So Trump is basically saying, "Yes, give this guy Warner Brothers. Let him have CNN." That Tik Tok deal like he got to buy Tik Tok because that was set up through Trump. >> Yeah. You already said Tik Tok has changed some. than you thought. >> 100%. You're on TikTok, Jessica. Have you noticed a change since Ellison has taken over? >> It's it's it's shifted and also I'm getting a lot more hits for my content even though I'm showing legitimate >> uh videos or I'm talking about legitimate news news events. >> Absolutely. >> And I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting hits with I had a really good video that was actually kind of going viral and it got taken down and I got a strike. So yeah. Same. And I haven't had that in a while. >> And the strikes that it's giving me aren't even about the nature of the content. It will just say like this video has already been posted like reused content. It will say which I never do. Every video I post to Tik Tok is a brand new clip that comes from whatever the most recent episode is. And I'm just like what? And then you can uh dispute it. Sometimes it'll come back on. Sometimes it won't. But the the hits that I'm getting now have nothing to do with the actual content. It's like these weird superficial things that they're just I think trying to like you know >> about one more thing. Do you see how this do you see how this is like full-blown fascism though? Do you understand that that's what's happening? >> We're getting stun media basically is what is what h is happening. I mean it's basically like what Russia and China experience. We're we're getting staterun media that is being propagated by this current administration. >> How about state of the union address Chad? We >> I was going to bring that up but we don't have time. We have two more minutes. If you want to if you want to do it and if you have time Jessica we could go over for maybe five minutes. >> I was there when the governor responded. So, >> your dad can't go over, but I will. One hour and 48 minutes of the longest speech ever given by a president. >> I was so blown away by all the medals of honor he gave away, the Purple Heart recipients, the uh the Medal of Freedom. All those medals he gave away made me cry. Oh my god. Oh my goodness. And then we had, you know, who stand up and calling them all kinds of names. We had >> Yeah. the other guy issued out um Al Green physically removed. >> It was that part. I mean, there's always going to be people disrupting that's happened through all of them. But when the Democrats would not stand up when he asked >> Yeah. >> to support our American citizens over illegal immigrants, more or less, that's why we're here building our country great. And they sat down. >> That's because he's a fellow. Well, no, not even that. So, the one instance that got the most kind of um media, especially probably on the media you consume, um was when they talked about the young woman that was >> Why did you say that? >> You don't know what we consume. >> Newsmax. We all know, right? >> You just You just assume it because you're listening to those two jibber jabber. >> I listen to all of you every week, but but I but I mean I I know that you watch Newsmax. I >> You got to watch something. We live in Virginia for God's sakes. >> I know what the girl in the train, right? >> Correct. Stand up. >> Yeah. >> Correct. And and my problem though is >> they didn't stand up because the man that killed her was a US citizen. >> The man that killed her also was out on uh he was not like released because he did some violent crime. He was released because he made a false 911 statement. Did he have a record? Absolutely. Did he serve time? >> Yes. But wait, he served time, and I'm talking about years, for the previous crimes he committed. >> His family also was trying to seek him. >> So you're okay with it? You over there with any violent criminals on Virginia. You're okay with it. >> No. Um worst governors on the planet. >> Love my governor. She's great. But um but >> I know you do because you're from Virginia. >> I do. Um, but I'm just highlighting >> I'm just highlighting that the reason they didn't stand up was not because they don't >> uh disagree or or they don't um despise violent crime. >> They didn't stand up because what he said about the asalent is false >> and they felt like it was going to condemn he was they were trying to feed a narrative of like condemning all illegal immigrants and and making painting them as violent and the Dems didn't stand up because in this instance this was not a violent illegal immigrant. This was quite literally a man who was born in the United States and unfortunately had a severe mental health crisis and issue and his family tried to seek care for him and we're having a horrible time with the system because the system sucks and he did something heinous and awful and it's and it shouldn't have happened. But to pretend like he is that their his rhetoric and and and misaligning who this man was, it was the reason the Dems kind of did not stand because they were like, "We're not going to give you power to a lie." And that's what that was in that moment. >> It didn't come across that at all that way to me. >> And I get that and I get that and I hear you. I think I think that this sometimes is where the disconnect of like and and and sorry to Bob to like make assumptions. I'm just saying like even on social media um the content we engage with and that we like or we linger on is the content we are automatically given. I'm sure that your algorithm on the likes of Tik Tok or Instagram look very different than mine, look very different than Chad's look very different than Haley's. >> Um and it's because that is the way the technology is built. It's built to keep us on there as long as possible. Distract us from everyday life as long as possible. >> Kind of change the way our brain functions. And unfortunately, I see I see everything because I actually follow I follow people like Nick Freighes and I follow people like Nick Fuentes and I follow people like Andrew Andrew Tate. But I follow them because I'm someone who believes you have to be in the spaces of those you don't disagree with to understand how they come to the conclusions they have. It's one of the reasons I think I won my election and flipped a lot of people that normally wouldn't have voted for me because I had conversations with far-right Republicans. There are Trump Anderson voters in my district. Okay. That is a reality. >> Um and it's I spent after, you know, January 20 um January 6. Yeah. After Yeah. After January six, I spent the next year and a half in Parlor and eventually Telegram. Um literally having conversations with people whose relationships and families were being deteriorated, people that were getting divorced, people that children no longer spoke to some. And so my initial content before I got truly political was actually highlighting how MAGA as a movement and QAnon to some degree had eroded families because you know obviously this has got you know this I I would love to talk to y'all again in a different like setting a more but I will say I think that um for you and for Bob if you ever admit that maybe you're wrong about something to include Trump it means denying your entire existence for the last 10 to 12 It does. And I acknowledge that for my parents a lot and I have this conversation with my mom because it's >> because you're saying that if if you admit that the person >> Mom, can you please put dad back on camera when you move the camera? It's a nightmare to please. >> Please. >> Did he turn on the TV? >> Yeah. >> It's because you took him off camera. He's trying to punish us now. >> I'm not saying Let me Let me Let me rephrase this. Let me rephrase this. I'm not saying that it's admitting you're wrong. It's it's the fact that >> basketball games are more important than this. >> Um, understood. I'm more saying that if you if if all of a sudden you came to the conclusion that Trump was this horrific person, okay, one day that means that one, you have to admit that you possibly kind of fell for his for his rhetoric and the things that he sold you in his in his campaigns and his administration. And two, you know, for some people >> just listen to what she's saying. >> [ __ ] that comes out of Virginia. >> Mom and dad. Mom and dad, just listen to what she's saying for a second. >> State is one of the biggest. >> Okay, Dad, we get it. You don't like Virginia. >> [ __ ] states in the media. >> I mean, I think that's Oklahoma, but >> Mom and Dad, I'm asking you as a favor. Can you both just listen? >> I'm I'm watching this. Yeah. >> Okay, then. Mom, can you just listen and not not interrupt? Don't say anything. Just listen to what Jessica is saying. >> So, what I'm saying is I recognize that you you believe Trump now. You love Trump. Like, I understand that, >> right? I know you both do. What I'm saying is if there comes a point where something truly comes out that you go, "Oh, no. I can't look away from this and deny the reality of who he is anymore." Okay. That is a hard thing to come to terms with because you have created an environment. >> We're still waiting. >> I know. All I know is the [ __ ] coming out of the Virginia governor's mouth. >> Well, nothing's going to come out with him still in office because unfortunately the people in office are loyal to him. And so if there is anything really atrocious in this in this like Epstein file that truly proves what we believe, what the three of us believe, it's not coming out in this time frame. It's probably going to not come out until we have a new president and we have someone who's going to actually expose everything. But even Pam Bondi admitted that if we exposed every bad person in this that the government as a whole would fracture and fall apart. So like it's the fact that we know the people calling the calls and strikes and kind of controlling the leverage of power are in these documents. >> They're glitching the whole time. >> We can't hear some of it. She's glitching in and out a little bit. >> Oh, okay. >> That's because I think you're Are you using um uh what are they? iPods or what? iPad. What? >> AirPod. AirPod. Yeah, I >> those will sometimes cut out if if somebody's talking over you like mom and dad. >> Um anyways, we I I >> Okay, I understood some of that. I did. >> Okay. Thank you, Jessica, for joining us today. We always >> That's probably your internet then, Mom. We always like to end the episodes by saying even though we got heated, even though dad gave no one any respect in any part of today's episode, >> I will say, "Dad, I still love you. Mom, I love you. Thank you for doing this. Haley, I love you. Thank you for doing this. Jessica, thank you. I love you for coming here and thank you for doing everything you're doing in the great state of Virginia. >> Thank you. I I I really appreciate y'all letting me on. Happy to come on again. >> Love you. Thank you for coming on. >> Well, Jessica, I think it's awesome that you won. >> Congratulations. Um, despite what my father says, I'm sure Virginia is very pleasant. >> Uh, good to have you on the show. Mom, I love you. Dad, I love you. Chad, I love you. >> Dad, is he not going to say, "Oh, they [laughter] their internet went out." Very fitting. Thank you, Jessica, for being here. Thank you, everybody, for uh joining us as well. I will be doing a live tonight, 600 p. p.m. PST on our YouTube channel. Maybe Haley will join me. Maybe my mom will join me if their internet comes back on. Thank you everybody.