A Conversation With Chad and Mary Lou

America is deeply divided there are only two sides to every issue and there is no interest in finding common ground not even with members of your own family but as the 2024 presidential election Looms on the horizon there has never been a more important time to have the necessary conversation welcome to the necessary conversation I'm Chad culin and with me today little bit of a for change is just my mom Mary Lou my dad is where is Dad what's he doing he is in the house but he did say this a couple days ago he has to watch an athletic event and is it women's basketball is he watching that it's some kind of basketball I think I don't even know okay might be the Caitlin Clark game I think it is anyway um you don't want him here today anyway it hasn't been a good week oh Jesus all right uh and my sister and her family are out touring our nation's capital they're in DC on a little vacation right just Conrad and Haley it is her birthday get away and their anniversary get away and put this on the record again I am the only one on this podcast that has not um what's the word I've been here every time yeah every body else has flaked off and not been here you are the true necessary conversationalist we're all just uh Pretenders but this week we're going to do something a little different you know usually we have these four kind of political topics and it gets really heated I thought today since it's just you and me Mom we could just have a conversation about whatever happens if you want that to be political it can be I can pull up some uh you know news websites and we can roll through the big political news of the week if you want or we could just talk to one another about things that are not political okay your choice what do you want um both all right what did you get up to this week now what what was the question what did you get up to this week up to what do you mean up to like two feet three feet what are you talking to up to what did you do this week is what that phrase means I think you you know that well let's see I did write some down on that one because I'm old I forget yeah okay so after we podcasted last week um God what did I do on Monday I just went out in the backyard I planted some plants Tuesday I rode my horse uh and then I did have some sad information a neighbor across the street who we've known for 10 years 88-year-old mother that lived with the family family she died and she was a very she was a very sweet friend of ours um and then when that happened we did meet we saw the family out in the yard they came over and told us and could you you know I said we are here for you whatever you need just let us know and of course I've been watching three little cute pups that look like three little angels but they're really The Devil in Disguise I've been watching them for the last two days or three days when I first went over there to to get their schedule and all that one jumped up on me blood dripping down my leg the other one the other one tried to bite me oh yeah they're angels in Disguise so I've been doing that for like three days totally wiped out um but the family should be home later today so that happened um Dad loved this lady too he'd go over and like have a beer with her whatever they talk sports and then um don't do this when we die please okay and I hope they don't listen to this podcast I don't think they do they wipe down that sweet lady in one day what do you mean wiped her out we had bulk trash everything in that lady's room and I know her room because I've been in there yeah was sitting on the curb and the trash took it away they were ready they were it's sad everything gone one day wiped her completely out y so that was Tuesday it was sad day uh let me see Wednesday got a manicure um Thursday kitty cat got a manicure and Kitty's failing a little bit that's kind of sad too she's not doing good at all we had the vet come Thursday pumped her up with some meds she's doing better now uh then I went to Costco the next day MH um oh freestyle Li finally came what the freestyle Libre your dad's diabetes glucose meter came oh uh he was up all night had the phone on his lap beep okay I'm at 150 beep I'm down to 120 beep I'm tracks it on his phone I I had to put the app on his phone yeah and I did like no notification type whistles and bells if he but he just sits and watches it and he watched it all night long so he was up all night long watching you know at but it is going to be good but for an OCD person I don't know because he's so like into it every second of every day but if you eat a food then you can see if it lowers or raises your blood sugar and how does it do this is there something in his body yes a sense answer that okay this was all me I had to read up and do it it really was very simple um after three months because we were on Medicare uh they had the government is very very particular um with the doctor's paperwork and all that we finally got it there's a little sensor it's in a little round cap you undo the cap take the cap off and then he had to put his arm like elbow up and it has to go into the fatty part of the back of your arm and I had to go boom boom and you injected it I injected it it was no big de like doctors don't have to do this just anyone can do this no you do it yourself oh wow he could do it too he'll eventually do it himself event what do you mean you have to keep redoing it every 14 days you have every 14 days you have to inject a new sensor yes Jesus but it's a it's no it's a tiny little tiny tiny little it's not really a needle I would say it's called a fiber something but it does go into the skin yeah but that every 14 days he doesn't have to stick himself yeah he was sticking himself manually three to four times a day in his fingers so this is a quality improvement yeah this will save him he's very excited great so it did come so that was my week it's a pretty good week yeah if kitty cat was better and if our friend didn't die yeah yeah other than that other than the death well congratulations on getting through another week what was your week what was your week just a lot of work my regular weekly schedule is Monday we're doing a bunch of Bachelor stuff for my other podcast game of roses Tuesday I'm usually wait wait wait wait wait that you coached who I coach players to go into the bachelor that you coached who players to go into the bachelor I want to know that I can't tell you the deal I make with all the players is I will never reveal their identities they can come out and say that they were coached and talk about the whole experience and I'm happy to back them up but I will never reveal that unless the player wants it revealed um what so I need to contact the players I guess the girl on the red contact every player and be like is this did this person coach you blah blah blah I just want to know that last Bachelor was it the girl in the red dress uh I mean there were multiple people wearing red dresses over the course of at the very end when he picked them I can't tell you um so I won't but I did a bunch of bachel stuff Monday then Tuesday uh worked on another podcast dudes Z Wednesday I worked with my friend Amy on a movie we wrote that we're possibly trying to direct uh then Thursday was more Bachelor stuff then Friday was working with Amy again trying to get this directing job and then Saturday was the first night of the WWE Wrestlemania 40 did you watch that no but I heard there was something about somebody helped that go down who was it I forget somebody helped it go down I don't know and then it was like a celebrity all right tell me who was in it who was in it it's wrestling it's pro wrestling The Rock was probably the biggest person in it okay maybe it was that uh and that was it pretty uneventful week or or should I say a standard week I won't say uneventful go back to the movie was that written by you and Amy a while back yeah we wrote it uh probably five or six years ago it's a movie called the best friends a romcom you told me we finally got the rights back to it and we're trying to get it made now um and so in service of doing that we're putting together what's called a lookbook and then you have to take that to the studios to yeah basically yeah we'll see what happens well good luck with that thank you um can I can I be in that movie who could you be in that movie you could be in the background or something walking around yeah because remember uh Bert Wonderstone yeah yeah that movie oh I have no control over that Mom I am so sorry I can't even be in that movie there you are there you are in the movie that was that was a hard task to get completed as well yes and you were in the movie yeah if Amy and I get to direct this one that's different then then we can hook you up okay put it in the lookbook all right all right there's the page of you in the look I don't know we're put you in the before I die I want to be in a movie you were you weren't men women and children remember no yeah no I was not yeah you were you got to walk through that mole scene remember no I'm not in it you show me in freeze action and let me see it I was not in in there oh you might not have made the cut I didn't make the cut we acting skills up we oh yeah right I'm ready I've been ready my whole life I don't want to die not being in a movie all right I'll do my best we speaking of movies I saw a movie this week what the first Omen have you seen that one no it sounds scary yeah it's a horror movie that's a prequel to The Omen series terrible absolutely boring one of the worst movies I've ever seen in recent times and box office reflected that as well it only did $8 million opening weekend oh wow what about in the water the Civil War movie have you seen that no but I wrote a movie called civilians I remember the year Donald Trump got elected this was in 2016 I wrote it immediately as a reaction to it and it's basically the same movie um but they wouldn't buy it well no I couldn't even get my my representation to Sen it out no one really understood it and now cut to8 years later and there it is that movie is basically coming out but I am curious to see that movie for sure was that the one that you wrote was that where like U certain families have to go to different states and live no the promise of mine was uh it took place in there's a neighborhood out here in Los Angeles called Silver Lake if you know what that is you know what that is I've been through there yes I know what that is it basically took place in it opens in a living room in like a someone's house and they're all watching election Night results come in and it's these uh I believe there were six friends there was a couple and then one of the people in the couple had their sibling there and then it's just kind of a group of these friends all meant to represent different kind of attitudes and whatever of suburban America they watch the election results and in in my movie The incumbent kind of trumpian President it's all generalized just like in Civil War the trumpian president wins re-election with a 90% uh rating basically like winning everything and the news is like well it's clear that this election was fixed and uh there are protests erupting basically in every major city around the country that President then institutes martial law and has soldiers going through the streets just killing protesters and so our main characters in this living room see all of this happening and they're like we have to get out of the city now so they flee and the the First Act of the movie is them trying to get out of Los Angeles as [ __ ] is just devolving into chaos and there's like that Jesse pem's character like military guys who are like what kind of an American are you that line is literally in my movie at the end um could you not sell that now or no because that movie's made I I don't think anybody else is gonna make the same movie okay did someone then see what you had wrote and they stole ideas from it no I don't think so okay I think mine was just written like way before and my intention with it was to get it made to be released like a few months before the 2020 election I as I said I wrote it in 2016 um this one obviously was was a little bit later in the game but basically in mine these these characters flee the city and go to a location that's a big bear out here if you know that it's kind of up in the mountains a little kind of resort type area where one of the characters bosses has a house so they go there and hole up and then as they're there we kind of watch the Civil War erupt where uh social media goes down the internet goes down the last thing they hear is that a few uh Navy and Air Force bases on the west coast are fracturing off from the ones in like the interior and then they hear like bombs and [ __ ] going off they see a plane get shot down a US fighter jet and they go to rescue uh the pilot and they bring the pilot in and the pilot is like well which kind of an American are you says that line to them in the house Etc ET that's sad that you couldn't Sol that because I agree this is that's sad it was ahead of its time unfortunately you always are I know it's a curse uh that said what else is up I'm trying to think oh my God ask you this question you know last week or maybe the week before I brought up what drugs have you done I brought that up because I'm curious about your attitudes on Consciousness expansion do you have any interest in that I have no idea what that is so explain a lot of drugs specifically psychedelics we're talking about magic mushrooms LSD DMT MDMA these drugs allow essentially what is it kind of a a breakdown of the ego of the self of the boundary that we perceive between ourselves and all other people or places or whatever it kind of uh allows you to see existence in a new way in an expanded way is that of interest to you no okay I live I'm pretty happy every day yeah I mean last week I said I'm not happy but you know what you make your own happy you know I agree with that you get you get up on of bed and if you think you're going to have a sucky day then you will if you think you're going to have a good day I think you will you make you make your unhappy well this is I don't mean to do it with drugs I'm not saying you need to do it I'm saying that it offers a a different experience of that and I'm not talking about being happy exactly I'm talking about the way you perceive reality it allows you a new way to do that which then you can take information from that experience back to your your normal life I wouldn't why would I do it with drugs when my own brain can think without drugs it's not about thinking exactly and there are some I mean yeah there are some kind of meditative States I guess that are are in the vein of what some of these drugs can do but there's nothing that can do like what DMT does which what are you getting to that you've done this and you want to tell me about it so you don't feel guilty no I would never feel guilty about it I have not done DMT but I do want to um the experience of that drug is reality Falls away and almost to a person you are transported to some kind of Intergalactic uh area where you are communing with creatures sensient creatures start to talk to you and everyone who does this drug has roughly that experience I find that fascinating you don't find that interesting um and how many of those people are dead how many of those d none yeah it has no side effects oh our brain produces it naturally then why don't they inject that into people going into operations and let you do that while they're operating on you well because I don't think that it gets rid of like pain receptors in the same way that that other anesthetics do so I think if you were on DMT and somebody cut into you you'd wake right the [ __ ] up even even though dad and I were born in the 70s 60s I mean born in the 50s you were born in the 50s be out there born in the 50s but I mean we lived through the and 70s like yeah I would consider myself like kind of a flower hippie dippy child but I never did drugs I I didn't have the need or that kind of stuff to straight uh to be happy I'm not even saying that it makes you happy I'm saying the human brain yes is something we don't understand and human consciousness is something we don't understand and there are these experiences in human consciousness that I think get kind of uh pushed to the side a little bit and I'm talking about you know if you want to call it like bordering on psychic powers or having even Deja Vu is a part of this um being able to see a premonition being able to get into some kind of meditative trance where you're astral projecting and seeing other locations and other people all of these experiences we have had like collectively as a species we have the I mean you always talk about this you're spiritual right I'm just I was just going to say I am spiritual yes but I don't have to do it through that stuff you're saying to take but why I'm I'm not saying you have to but what is the aversion to it what do you mean why don't you yeah because I can do it like sitting in my backyard I'm with Kitty and I was missing Max I said boy I miss you Max here comes a hummingbird and it flew over my head went down in front of my eyes looked at me looked at Kitty and took off yeah I don't have to take the DM whatever you said it is no you're talking about like a a a sign from the afterlife and part of what you're talking about too earlier saying you make your own happiness I think that there's do you know anything about like what's going on in in quantum physics currently no tell me well it's pretty universally accepted now that human consciousness creates reality that the I don't I don't know if it's widely accepted but I will say it's a theory that is picking up a lot of steam uh some particle physicists have discovered mathematically these objects that exists outside of SpaceTime and they're not sure how that's possible one of the only kind of real fundamental explanations that makes it make a little bit of sense is that the true nature of actual reality is some kind of overarching collective Consciousness and that from that Consciousness is reflected the physical reality we live in so that none of this is actually real we are a hologram a shadow a reflection of a reflection of what the actual reality is and again the theory is that reality is pure Consciousness and so anything we can do to augment alter uh in any way enhance our cognitive abilities where Consciousness is concerned could possibly allow us to tap into that only if for a brief moment so things like DMT psilocybin mushrooms they allow us to kind of peel the Veil back and look at that thing for a second whatever that so so why don't s so why don't scientists have those people lined up taking that and do an investigation and see what's happening because the United States government and and many governments around the world have a very hardcore no drug policy because governments don't benefit from drugs that dissolve boundaries that make people see oh wait a minute all of humanity is the same thing we are all one governments don't like that because governments very necessarily need you to believe we are not all one we are America [ __ ] the other country they only they only want uh fentanyl to come into the country to hook you and yeah that's what they want the government does yes the United States government and indeed most World governments since the dawn of their creation have always been part of the illegal narcotics trade if it's the CIA uh you know creating and putting crack in low inome neighborhoods if it's um the CIA doing deals with bogot Colombian cocaine Lords back in the 70s whatever it is the United States government always has their hand in it and the idea that they can control which drugs are legal and which are not which has been in place for a long time like alcohol one of the most poisonous drugs that exists on our planet has been legal for a very long time we tried prohibition that didn't work they said give us the the booze money again we're now seeing weed getting legalized call I believe has legalized psychedelics now so you can go there yeah and do LSD DMT whatever I think I could be off on that but does California I guess it does or you wouldn't be no it's Colorado but does California uh no I don't think so California's weed is legalized Rec how are you gonna do these drugs I don't know I have to figure out a way life finds a way but um what I'm essentially saying is like the government needs to maintain absolute control over the populace and put the idea in your head that that drugs are drugs essentially and the idea that like we don't fully explore it scientifically is bizarre to me as well if there's this thing DMT which again all of our brains make it it's like used when we dream and stuff you know uh that that can be made illegal is insane to me our bodies produce it so do other plants and it can be distilled down so that you get it purified and in larger quantities than we produce inside of our body but well yeah I think you're way over a lot of people's heads with this because huh I think you're way over my head a little bit with this and way over other people's heads because you know to to me an illegal drug is an illegal drug so that's what you're talking about you want to take that but the idea of legality you understand that that is not real that's fake what is fake things being legal or illegal is a madeup thing okay it cannot well then why do people get put in jail for that's a madeup thing too okay yeah this is none of this is real yeah blah blah blah we've been there is a fake thing that our government made up to penalize people who break the laws they wrote crimes exist only because laws exist and so you have to look at who's writing the law and what are they Criminal izing and for what reason in the I mean and we this is a much deeper conversation about uh which parts of the population the government wants to punish or uh get money from because once you go into the prison system you're just hemorrhaging money back into the government you're now in debt you I do believe that yeah okay so so we'll leave that topic but in terms of drugs people in prison want to go back into the prison system too because it's easy there well certainly get get three Mees or whatever but I'm I'm sure people don't want to be in prison um that said the drug issue is a different issue you have to look at which drugs are legal and which are not and why and almost invariably it's they will make a drug illegal to punish a certain uh section of the population or keep them in check or they will make a drug illegal because it as I was saying it's the nature of what the drug does alcohol so who's allowing fentanyl come in I don't know I mean I would I would imagine the CIA as a part of it I would imagine like all of the higher up governmental tiar are I I just don't or maybe it's out of their their uh their hands a little bit I don't know but in terms of the kind of hallucinogenic drugs the Psychedelic drugs the reason those are illegal is because in the 60s the hippie movement everybody was taking those drugs and they were starting to understand like oh this is all [ __ ] government's I mean Timothy lry T what was it tune in turn on and drop out that was his uh slogan and he meant tune in take the drug turn on understand what Consciousness is and drop out is [ __ ] Society I'm not joining your military I'm not paying your taxes and the idea that you could have a a kind of Awakening of Consciousness that renders invalid all of these structures that this kind of uh Dominator government governmental Society has created I think is frightening or is at least it's counterproductive to what the goals of people who run things like governments uh have come to be and so they make these drugs illegal you can't do very interesting and it also marginalizes the people who do those drugs by making them illegal oh you're just a drug user it invalidates the experience of what is happening on those drugs which I actually think could be potentially very profound and more people were doing them it could alter the way Human Society is moving that's insane there are different levels of those drugs like and you just can't there aren't though that that the different levels is made up by the government yeah cocaine stuff like that what about it that's on a different level than any of the of the other drugs right I don't know what I think cocaine is a schedule one like with Heroin but they also put all of the other uh psychedelics on that list marijuana was on that list for a long time now it's [ __ ] recre you could buy it at a corner store yeah all across America that alone should tell you it's arbitrary if they can go from this drug is as bad as heroin to nah you could buy it just if have a driver's license you're talking so much about those illegal drugs you shouldn't have to take those to make yourself happy or to see what you're saying I I don't agree with all that but in some cases is it's the only way to see what you're saying and and it's like the idea that there are these you know bad drugs or whatever everything we put into our mouth is a drug in one way or another all food all drink it has some effect on you psychologically certainly physiologically and because some of these things especially like psilocybon mushrooms that's just a plant that grows on the on the earth and you eat it m i don't understand why that is so villainized I guess and the experience of it which is something that you know I think people have been engaged with for a very long time centuries thousands tens of thousands of years potentially but you don't know what that's going to do to your body what if it does kill you what if it does do nobody has ever died from a a silis cybin experience I don't know well I'm I'm not gonna try you won't do mushrooms with me no I will not no you sure once before you die come on no talking about death in fact dad and I were talking about this the other day if you okay let's say you know you're GNA die do you want to know the exact day that you're gonna die or would you rather not know you know just have a yeah like have a time frame the doctor says you have two years to live okay thank you yeah would you want to know that exact day if you could uh and in this theoretical situation the information is like 100% no getting out of it no right right I would want to know the exact time and and date guess what me too I would too and your dad would not interesting so we're a lot Alik yes I would need to know because if I didn't know yeah then my anxiety would be through the roof and I'd probably I'd probably die anyway I get I would just be able to plan everything I would be able to like plan everything down to like okay if I'm gonna die on this day like how much money do I need to have to have the best like last month of my life basically you know and plan that month that's what I would do and say all your goodbyes to the people you care about and love yeah I ain't never saying goodbye to anybody because I don't think we go anywhere oh God I think we return to the the collective Consciousness okay I totally believe you go somewhere um I totally believe and um like once you die that your spirit goes somewhere and that you do come back I do believe that I don't think like going somewhere coming back I think it's all there all the time and we're what about the TA into it like I had a friend my age her daughter died two years ago and now she has signs all over the place lights flickering on on and off uh cabinets opening um what about that well I mean if I may let me just throw this out here okay yes you may thank you I think oh we're having such a good podcast yes you may wonder why how goral this one is is insane this is like the this one's crazy to be sure this will probably go down as like the most insane episode we've done but I think that you know I believe in all these signs and and types of things too I remember when you took us on uh God I don't this a long ass time ago we were back in Great Bend and you took me and Haley to the comar house which is rumored to have been haunted this is a a famous house in the town where we all used to live great Ben Kansas this Tiny Town in the middle of the state and the family that lived there the comar you were best friends with their daughter growing up right I still am okay and they were a well-off family and they had this kind of big mansion in the middle of town and the Rumor at least in Great Bend was always that a guy had died there in the I believe Mr Moses the mayor of the Town go ahead mom you you can tell the story it was Mr Moses the mayor of the Town it wasn't in the 20s it had to be let's see they lived in that house when in the 60s 70s so he was probably I'll have to look it up 40s maybe he was mayor he died in an upsters bedroom and then my friend Ellen's Mom and Dad purchased the home okay every year that they lived in it from that point forward all kinds of things happened and Mr Moses was in that house as a ghost well like I was saying I remember there was a time where haitle and I like didn't believe any of this [ __ ] we were like okay fine then take us there show us Mr Moses and I remember you got I think it was Ellen took us and gave us a little tour do you remember this yes yes and there was a time where we went up to these upstairs bedrooms and there were these four doors of these upstairs bedrooms kind of attached to this little landing and we went in them one by one I remember the door was open the light was turned on this is where little Johnny slept or whatever the light was turned off and the door was closed and we did all four and when we came out of the fourth door and looked back at the first one the first door was open and the light was on and Haley and I both saw that we were all there so I do think that there is like you know you want to call it the spirit world or whatever but I don't think that's what it is personally I think that human consciousness I think that like these bodies we're living in the physical bodies the physical world is some kind of other thing I think this is the weird thing you know what I mean I don't think like the spirit world is the weird thing and this is the real thing I think whatever you're calling the spirit world I think that's the real thing and this is the weird thing I think we get to be humans for some reason for maybe not even for a reason maybe it's just like a [ __ ] Lark I don't know but I think our brain and our Consciousness they're just kind of like things that can tune into a conscious experience and when they're locked in these bodies 99.9% of that conscious experience is interacting with this physical world with whatever we this [ __ ] is you know okay but the true reality is the other thing so when I die when I die yeah how will you know how will will I come back to see you well you what you want to get in some [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] this season on The Bachelor which I was going to get to in a second but we can get to it now this season on The Bachelor the ring winner Kelsey Anderson uh her mother was dead and she had a sign that whenever she saw a butterfly she knew it was her mom I always thought like that will be you well butterflies are all over the place you're gonna see me a lot but I'm saying that I think we are Tethered to the kind of grander Consciousness at all times and I think that when we are in these bodies or experiencing this kind of like human experience I think this is a blip in the actual experience of whatever we are and so when you in quotes die I think it's just like a vacation being over or something you know what I mean and then you get back to the real thing I don't it's a bad way to explain it I guess but I just don't I don't think this is the real thing is is basically what I'm saying it's too limited it's it's simply too Limited and we don't know enough about it and all the things that we do know you know in terms of like fundamental reality type [ __ ] they they get debunked every generation now there people are some scientists believe the Big Bang didn't happen yeah I've read that don't forget to cingle the ashes you know that you guys want your ashes comingled yeah oh yeah if you can do that one more time and I'll play a recording of dad calling me a flip toid okay and [ __ ] flip hi and Dad his only job at my parents funeral was to hit the button on the recorder yeah and I get you guys comingling the ashes of my mom and dad and putting him in the ground what does he do he hits off yeah as he's recording I remember that we have nothing we have nothing yeah you have everything though again the memory of these things memory is part of Consciousness and I think that you know the human memory system is just a brain it's a physical lump of [ __ ] okay I think in the very near future I mean whatever this gets into the internet too a little bit but I think what we're building on the Internet is essentially a new brain and the memory is like we got that pretty well done the internet is like a collective memory of all human experience at this point it's every piece of information we have it's every message we're sending to everybody all that [ __ ] is in the internet what we're building now with AI is the Consciousness for it it's going to allow it to think right now it can just remember everything but very soon it's gonna turn into a working just like Global brain basically I love Alexa I love all my AI stuff I wished I would have had it sooner in my life me too because I do enjoy it I really do your dad H not so much but now what do you mean he's a literal [ __ ] cyborg now he's got you're telling me he's got a diabetes chip in his arm yeah he does he does and he watches that nonstop but um I wished in my lifetime it would have been sooner for me because I could have figured it out better yeah what is like a piece of technology that you think is coming down the pipe that you're GNA enjoy I don't know I mean I love my Alexa gosh I ask it temperature weather is it going to rain all kinds of stuff yeah you guys get a robot um little I doubt it I'm probably the robot to your father no I doubt it get this get that get this I'm already the robot why do we need one you you could alleviate some of your burden with an automated helper around the house maybe maybe yeah less than my load huh oh [ __ ] what let me ask you this about technology what's a piece of technology that exists now that you could not have fathomed when you were 20 my iPhone I love love my iPhone oh my gosh if I I need to look something up my maps where to get somewhere I love my iPhone I would have loved to have that in the S 70s yeah sure no I mean it seems like science fiction even to somebody like me who was essentially child of the 80s you know early 90s I guess the cell phone not cell phone specifically but a smartphone with a touchcreen that touchcreen is like that's some real sci-fi [ __ ] and we all it like immediately now it's very obviously second nature Common Place nobody even bats an eye at it the rate of growth of technology in the last like 20 years we haven't seen anything like it and it's only getting faster and faster and faster and faster uh with all the AI stuff that's happening now it is I mean it's pretty much like every two or three months there is a groundbreaking new advance in AI technology yeah what what what's the one thing you said that you're looking forward to the new thing maybe coming out in AI are yeah remember well I think AGI is right around the corner artificial general intelligence and that's like a conscious entity essentially and then the next step after that is ASI artificial super intelligence and that's like a god in the internet essentially that can like look at all of the data at once understand it all manipulate any of it take control of anything I think that will happen in our life what about I don't understand this the black web or whatever what is that like there's the Dark web yeah yeah what's that it's like an internet where people can do all kinds of illegal [ __ ] sell drugs yeah human trafficking all that kind of stuff you get on that how do you even get on that not that I'm gonna do that but I I don't know specifically I've never been on the dark web either but I know that you need to use basically a a uh like tour like a VPN type thing to bounce your ISP signal around the world so that the government doesn't know where you're getting where you're like entering the dark web from that's what I was gonna say so why can't people get in there and arrest those people that are selling from time to time and that's where like bad pornography and stuff is on there yeah I just read an article theyr arrest them they do in some cases I just read an article about a guy who was caught uh doing Monkey torture videos oh God and he he was arrested and he was doing it on the dark web but he's gonna serve some amount of jail time now God that's terrible I didn't even know that this was a thing until I read this article I was like what the [ __ ] but there are people who uh enjoy that type of thing that's gross I agree they could probably benefit from some mushrooms because I think it also part of the experience is it makes you understand that like all life is is one you know it dissolves the boundaries basically or at least the psychological boundaries between like self and other or even really the boundaries between like self and and the world around you and you kind of start to experience this Oneness this understanding that all life is life and that's all that matters yes it is yes it is and I think too as your dad and I have gotten older it's sad but our world as you get older your world gets smaller of course as to where the environment and where you go and what you do and what makes you happy you ditch the people in your lives that have made it not happy or just you know people around you that don't have the same beliefs as you get rid of it I don't want to hear it goodbye um our our little places we go now are probably five miles five miles five miles out to the barn back home grocery store back home five miles I got about five feet I wake up in the morning I sit in this chair and I work until 2 am that's Y and have your green tea I got dad hooked on green tea too that's what we're gonna do in a little bit he's gonna drink his green tea and watch the glucose monitor to see if it goes down and it should Sunday afternoon yes that's what our big thing is is after let me ask you this you are as you said born in the 50s you grew up during the 60s and you were in the your 20s in the mid to late 70s so on and so forth there is I believe a moment in every person's life where they kind of crystallize a worldview where and I think it's somewhere in your 30s usually you're like okay this is how the world Works you're established in some level of a career whether you are where you want to be or or not in that career you've kind of made some life choice in that path what you're going to do for a job you've probably made some choice in the path of do I have a a spouse and children am I going to have a family you've made some choice about generally speaking a long-term uh living situation well I'm going to live in this town I've got this house or this apartment or whatever I think that for most people somewhere in your 30s your idea of how the world works and your place in it crystallizes again in your 30s then the world continues to change and it is changing at this point a a pace that we have never seen before and I don't think it's slowing down I think that pace is getting faster and faster specifically with like technological changes but also climatological changes geopolitical changes they all seem to be happening at a rate that at least in my lifetime I have never seen before um and I think that when you have that crystallized worldview at 30 and then you know you start to get older like for you guys specifically your generation the Baby Boomers I think you did crystallize a worldview probably sometime in the 80s where it's like this is what the world is America's great and top gun's a good movie and you knoww 40s probably when we were 40 years old okay and your dad had great jobs and 90s maybe yeah yeah um but then things change drastically they continue to and I think that every generation as they age 40 is probably right because then once you start getting into middle age you rail against that change and you say no this is not what the world is I know what the world is it was what it was five years ago 10 years ago 15 years ago right and I think that what's that yeah yeah that's probably right make America great again I mean that is literally the slogan it's like let's return to what it was because that's that's when it was the best but this idea is always flawed because you can never go back it only moves forward at least in our experience of linear time it only is change you in my opinion you have to embrace that change and PR predict kind of where we're going so that you can prepare for it if your predictions are good enough that is kind of how I choose to live my life I've never looking back I'm never saying we have to get back to the way things were because you can't like how can you get back to the way things were in the 90s we didn't have cell phones there was no real internet at that point that's never going back okay I understand all of that but you can get back to Mor moral values um a two parent family you can get back two par who gives a [ __ ] why not a five parent family if there okay if there's not a father in the picture uh to show the correct way to do things what it has I just believe in moral value and um in families eating at the table together yeah but that's that's a personal subjective thing all families are different how they're structured is different what their behaviors are is different like I don't think there's a a wrong or right way to you know put a family together or or in quotes run a family and bring God back into the picture I know we're not personal things even going yeah that's a personal subjective thing I'm talking mainly about how Society is structured and the idea that like going back to the the 50s or or whatever I never said I wanted to go back to the 50s or the 80s or the 90s or whatever you you it to be the idea that like we should go back because it was better it's just not ever possible because technology has has moved to a point where like that society that existed in the 90s cannot now exist because we have an internet and smartphones never go back to that okay Mr Mister though why then why do you want to get Frozen why do you want your head Frozen to go back go back no that's to go forward that's to say if I die Now wake me up 200 years from now it's to Leap Frog into the future it's to skip a bunch of years or I'm in a tube of liquid nitrogen also for the record I don't think that's going to work I think there's like a 0.000000001 per chance at might work are you still though you still have that you signed the dotted line and you're going to be frozen still this is I'm holding up my freezing tag yes okay okay well that's your belief that's good I guess no it's not my belief it's just like a it's a a bet I guess that I'm making ear like yeah I exactly it's a life insurance policy that is payable to these people who are going to freeze me and and do whatever I don't care really is it all pay down already um please don't tell me you're still paying them money yeah it's like $50 a month oh my God I can handle it but um for me that's just kind of a you know let's see what happens I don't know maybe technology will get to the point where it could untha me maybe it won't I don't really care it's just like yeah this this exists might as well that's kind of how I feel about it um anyway I I just that idea of like getting back to the way things were I don't think is ever right a because you can't do it ever but B there's also this thing that happens with people and Nostalgia where you tend to forget about the bad [ __ ] as time goes on on and you you really only and I think this is like a a it's kind of a fundamental part of a human being's ability to cognitively get rid of trauma it's that like you forget about the bad [ __ ] that happened 10 years ago and you're like I loved that job I had doing this and you forget about how your boss was an [ __ ] and you forget about how you had to work late nights and all this stuff because you you remember the one or two good times that's how your body copes and you live on you forget about the bad [ __ ] okay what I'm going to ask you question what is if you could only name one thing M the most happiest day of your life and why and what was it think of the happiest and then think of the saddest so I want you to say what your happiest day was and then what your saddest day was in your life day all right we'll we'll exchange this I'll do happiest you do happiest I'll do saddest you do sadus okay all right happiest is probably it's got to be a there's a tie I think and they're both very career related m one was when I sold a movie called Dan mittner badass For Hire um I remember I wrote this movie in about the span of two or three months it was kind of a uh it was like an Austin Powers treatment of oneman army action movies like Schwarz and Egger and ston movies but it was like taking it into a kind of Austin powy place um and I thought it was very funny I gave it to my agent and she went out with it meaning sending it to a bunch of producers in Hollywood on a Monday and then they all loved it and they took it into their Studio deals on Tuesday and by Thursday morning I had an offer for more money than I've ever sold anything and I was like holy [ __ ] this is it this movie is definitely going to get made and then it wound up never getting made never but that uh The Rock was attached to it for little while like it was a crazy big project for a minute and then it just kind of all fell apart but the selling of it that day getting that call was like holy [ __ ] I did it that was great and then also another thing was a TV show that I got on the air called bad judge that was like a I mean it was probably a two-year slog through doing I think I did 26 rewrites of that pilot for the network over the course of a year and a half before finally getting the series order and I just remember leaving we had like a some of the other people involved with it we were at their production office when we all took the call together and we pop champagne and then I remember walking back to my uh car in the parking structure which was on the top level of this parking structure and looking off the side of the parking structure and seeing the Hollywood sign and just having that moment of like I just got a TV show picked up this is insane those are probably my two best moments I think happiest yeah how about you and then and then that was sad because because they didn't um they cancelled it due to uh ratings but it was on the same night as wasn't it Monday Night Football or it was a football Thursday night football so of course it wasn't going to get higher ratings that was there were a lot of other problems with it too it it had so much bloat the above the line on it it had eight executive producers I believe it was me that was a good show though it was yeah Anne H Kate Walsh Jill messic Kevin messic will frell Adam McCay and his wife seven there might have been one more too that was Joe Messi um okay so it was already you knew like the budget was just untenable you know yeah I did remember that was a good show I like that one yeah um my happiest of course it's kind of a tossup too it's not a tossup there's three okay the day you were born the day Haley was born and the day I got married those were the three happiest in my life right I can remember everything about every one of them the smells in the air what it was like outside the environment around me the noises those three yeah I'll never forget them interesting had I given birth to a child perhaps that would be on my list yes and that makes my heart sad you need to not you need to give birth but whoever you're with needs to give birth I don't want I don't want child man giving birth to a baby I don't want to have children though I don't want to ever have that experience I know it's not for me um and what was the other thing the saddest moment uhuh saddest moment some bad breakups probably go on that list but that's more like um a kind of hysterical sorrow I guess how about the day the day they told you you had cancer that wasn't sad not at all why I had virtually no emotional reaction to it okay I was just like H I guess I got to start doing [ __ ] now what what does this entail oh you're going to carve out chunks of my face for the next three days in a row like I wasn't sad about it it was more like annoyance if anything like [ __ ] I gota I can't work today I have to go let them saw in my face some more um and the radiation procedure and stuff I actually found like interesting and it was painful certainly but I was never sad during it it was just kind of like wow this is a [ __ ] rough experience I hope nobody else you were getting depressed though a little bit I think yeah for sure but I I don't consider that to be sorrow um okay well I mean but maybe it is like existential dread type [ __ ] you know what is the point of any of this that type of thing maybe that is sorrow I'm not sure the day the day you found the baby bird dead baby bird dead was probably bad but again it's like like we were talking about earlier it's it has uh bird dead was a sad m i remember that one it's so long ago that I I can't connect to whatever the emotional response was at that time so I can't really tell you I think it probably is yeah it's got to be around pet death though I think like PTY being dead you know what was a bad one was squirel not showing up there was a moment where the squirrel used to come to my window uh on a daily basis and she became like a little pet I could like touch her and she would come in and sit on the couch and watch TV with me and stuff we met her she came in when we were saw we met her and there was a point where she had stopped coming for about two weeks and I just had like I fully psychologically accepted she is dead and that was a very sad moment and she never came back never came back but her spirit lives on in all the squirrels of this neighborhood yes so what about you what's your saddest moment we should have done H saddest then happiest the worst way to end a podcast no we're not ending on this one I've got something to end the podcast on you me uh I'll do it real quick uh the day uh your dad was sick well let's go back to OIC his doctor put him on OIC for diabetes if anybody out there is on it make sure that you're getting monitored because your dad went downhill real fast lost uh 40 pounds in three months he looked like he should be in a prisoner War Camp went from 179 to 134 nice the day he went down and well I had taken him to an urgent care because our family doctor wouldn't see us uh they were concerned and said if he doesn't get better with the stuff we pumped into him you need to get to a hospital brought him home laid him in bed I said I've got to go get your medicine don't get up and he goes okay and go see uh shiny I said I will I was gone 1 hour and a half and he had fallen and I found him on the floor and I could not get him up by myself I couldn't get him up yeah I didn't know what to do so I called the ambulance and that was a sest day of my life yeah not being able to get him up but do you see how both of these events that we just talked about are relatively recent it's harder to attach to like sad memories from the distant past I can bring a few up if you need them but let's not I have one very Vivid when you just said that to me I remember as a little girl being n years old my grandmother had me under her like arm armpit we were walking past her father's deadbody in The Cask at the funeral roses all around us and I remember peeking in and he had I can remember this vividly he had thread on his lips back then they would put oh my God I see it to this day oh my God that's why I don't like funerals I don't go to them don't like them yeah makes sense that's that's an old one indeed all right what did you want to end the show with okay well we are because you promise let me get my notes I gota find wait before you end the show by the way let me just say we just did an hourlong podcast we didn't arue no politics oh uh I did want to bring up Trump just did a 50 million 50 million fundraiser last night 50 million yeah he broke records and stuff with it I saw his wife was there too she showed upia he brought it out of the cage was there yep nice um Bless the USA Lee Greenwood your father I your father and I saw him sing this live when your dad worked for tbon pickings back in Amarillo we went to a Christmas party and everybody was buzzing about what's what's the entertainment going to be and everybody was like I don't know it's supposed to be something big I don't know all of a sudden these Cur opened up and there's Lee Greenwood and it was and he was singing and people were like waving the American flag we saw and this was in the 80s late 80s tbon Pickin your dad worked for we saw this sung live all right so we're gonna sing it you and me here we go I've got the words do you know them you know part I I know the main part of it yeah go ahead it starts I'll sing along with you when I can when I know the Lord go ahead okay if tomorrow all the things were gone I've worked for all my life and I had to start again with just my children and my wife wife I would thank my lucky stars to be living here today because the flag still stands for freedom take it and you can't take take that away cuz I'm proud to be an [Music] americast know I'm free and I won't forget the men who died gave that right to and I'll proud stand stand up up next to you to you and defend no doubt I love this land God bless you will pretty good well I love you Mom thank you for doing this podcast with me for I love you Chad Chad a year and a half or more I know going can't believe it as we're coming up to the election this year it'll be very interesting to see what happens to our country and to the show but uh maybe next week I am working by the way on getting us a guest okay I'm I'm I'm looking around it's not easy booking people is difficult to say especially on this podcast to say the least so Donald Trump didn't answer the phone Trump does not answer the phone Biden has not answered the phone yet and Biden's busy in the bathroom exact but hopefully we'll have guest here in the next maybe month or so but thank you everyone for joining us today and like I said we had a little bit of a format shift I was just curious to see if we could do an hour and not talk about politics and we did it pretty easily I would have to say yeah yeah we did so there you go dad says that this podcast is doing more damage to the family than good I disagree Oh and next week let Haley do an hour since she's missed how many now Jesus I think there's absolutely no way no she and I did do an hour in the very beginning this podcast I did one with just you I did one with just her also yes yes okay we'll see anyway uh we will be back next week until then everyone have a good a good week we'll see what happens in the political sphere this week bye Chad chat bye